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The Friends & Fiction 100th Episode Extravaganza with Elin Hilderbrand & Tim Ehrenberg

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

A good time is had by all on the 100th episode extravaganza! Joining us is #1 mega-bestselling author and dear friend of the show, Elin Hilderbrand, along with the marketing whiz behind Nantucket’s two indie bookshops, Nantucket Book Partners, and the Nantucket Book Festival, Tim Ehrenberg (known to his legions of social media followers as Tim Talks Books). There are guessing games with prizes and a series of lightning round questions covering everything from holiday traditions to favorite books. Join the Thanksgiving Eve fun as we look back with gratitude on the first 100 shows and look forward to all that lies ahead for this incredible community!

Welcome to Friends and fiction for new york times, Bestselling authors, endless stories, novelists, mary Kay andrews, Kristin Harmel, Kristy Woodson harvey and Patti Callahan, Henry, R four long time Friends with more than 70 published books between them together, they host friends and fiction with author interviews and fascinating insider talk about publishing and writing to highlight and support independent bookstores. They discussed the books, they've written the books they're reading now and the art of storytelling. If you love books and you're curious about the writing world, you're in the right place. Hello everybody. It's the Wednesday night before thanksgiving. I'm thinking lots of you are prepping for tomorrow's big dinner, but hopefully tonight you'll carve out a carve out a little time to gobble up book talk with Friends and fiction. See how I did that very clean cut. I'm Kristin Carvell, I'm Patti Callahan, Henry and I'm Christine what's an Army tonight? We're really thankful to be airing the 1/100 episode of Friends and Fiction with Friends in fiction. Fan favorite. You notice how I did that, a little liberation girls like what we expect nothing less than you. Okay to celebrate our milestone. We are throwing the playbook is out the window because we are enlisting Ellen Hildebrand's work, husband Tim, Ehrenberg of Nantucket Book Partners and tim talks books for some fun and games, some list making and of course lots of book talk, We have such a fun and exciting partner this month too and it's perfect timing because we're partnering with butterball Turkey, we are especially excited because it means we get to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the Turkey talk line all month long, make sure to join us on our talk in Turkey with butter ball after show. Tonight. I swear when that butter ball goes over the person in the corner which this time it was me, it looks like you're saying I'm the butter ball. Is that what you guys are saying that you know we're hanging you and you are going to put you in that corner? Reason for that reason you guys are there on a vacation. Well you did just get back from hawaii kristen and we didn't say anything but I did look a little turkey like in my bathing suit, I'll admit to that. But okay, as you probably already know the heart of our original mission was to encourage you to support independent booksellers when and where you can. And one way to do that is to visit Nantucket Book partners where you can order Ellen's books, most of them signed, which is so great, especially as we're approaching holiday shopping. Um and you can also order books by the four of us and it's the store um where you can find tim, so you'll be interacting with tim if you buy our books which is fantastic. Of course most of you know Elin Hilderbrand, but some of you might not know tonight's master of ceremonies. I don't know how it's possible that you might not know him because we talk about him all the time But tim Ehrenberg who is the marketing director for Nantucket Book Partners. Nantucket's to indie bookstores. He also does the marketing for the Nantucket Book Festival where we did a amazing virtual event last summer. It was so much fun. He just led us through with these hilarious questions and had us on our toes and flipped the tables on us and he writes a monthly column about books for n which is Nantucket's lifestyle magazine. There's more, he's also the man behind the magic of your winter wonderland subscription box. If you bought that gorgeous packet, he was the man behind the Magic. You can discover what tim is reading by checking out his blog, Tim talks books. Sean could you bring tim to join us? Hi friend, how Are you happy 100 episodes. Thank you. Howie here, here's here's I said today tim it happened, We did this and then we did this and then we did this. It was 100. Yeah, well congratulations. Like I've said in the past this brings so much joy to so many people. So I know it's a time commitment for everyone, but it really does bring a lot of joy to people. So thank you. Thank you asked me, let's talk about Ellen. Okay, so she needs no introduction but Elin Hilderbrand is the number one new york times best selling author of 27 novels including her latest Golden Girl, She has lived on Nantucket for 28 years,...

...has three Children. She's a dedicated political writer and runs or yeah, dogs as she calls it every morning. Ellen is an enthusiastic cook, a seven year breast cancer survivor, a graduate of john Hopkins University and Iowa's writing workshop and she writes her novels longhand on yellow legal pads. Amazing. She loves a good sandwich, a glass of booze or stands there and a fun night at the chicken box on Nantucket. That's the script on Ellen. You can find it if you google her name or in the back of her books. What many of you might not know is she's an extremely disciplined person. I have never met someone who is so disciplined. We signed copies of her books downstairs at Mitchell's pretty much every day when she's on Nantucket and a text from Ellen to meet me at that goes like this, I can meet you at 407 But I have to be gone at 4:34 to be somewhere else. At 4:39, wow. She's also very giving of her time to me to the bookstores, to her fans, to acquaintances, many who asked for it. She is the perfect mix of introverts and extroverts. She's genuine, kind, sensitive, but no nonsense. I love her dearly. Elin Hilderbrand. I'm crying, that was such a beautiful introduction town. Thank you, thank you and very humbling. Thank you. Hi everyone. Hi Ellen, now we're so glad to have you back with us tonight on friends in fiction. You know my husband tom and I had such a great time this past summer when you invited us to join you and tim and your friends at your beautiful Nantucket home. And I did that only as revenge to the other ladies because they because we're so jealous. It was a major fomo situation completely with for sure. Yeah. Um Ellen, you have left me on Nantucket for boston where you're revising your book coming up this number. My first question is, when did you start that boston venture that you revised? Like start editing the book and that you go to boston for this month. When did that start? So I started in 2008, I was revising my novel the castaways. It was a tricky revision And I didn't actually come to Boston in 2008. I went to my mother's house in suburban Philadelphia and I went for only three weeks and I can remember being there and I called my husband and I said I think I need an extra week, I'm not finished. And he said yeah, totally fine. He had the Children and I found that like being away without the kids was the only way that I could get work done. And so I went to my mother's for three years, 2008, 2010. And then I do love my mother. But I was like you know what, maybe I should um get my own apartment and so because the content sports and I wanted people to go back and forth to Nantucket easily. I started renting is Beacon Hill in boston in the, in the year of 2000 and 11 and I have been here ever since. So I think this is my 10th or possibly even my 11th Fall of Renting and Beacon Hill, I come for six weeks and I do my revisions. Are you superstitious at all? Like is that something that you always have to do now? Because it's like uh this is just my routine or is there a superstition in Aaron? Yes. Um the strange thing is that so I was in the same apartment in Beacon Hill for for like the last six years I think I had one apartment and then the dude sold it and it was a tiny studio that was up three flights of stairs. I mean it was no great shakes and then last winter the guy said he's going to sell it and I thought, oh no! And I was so worried because I was so sure that it was going to ruin my mojo But I found a different apartment that is so much, there's only one flight of stairs and it's so much closer to Charles Street which is where all the shopping the restaurants are and I am like 100% happier here and so yeah, it worked out and but coming to Boston this time of year is very much something that I treasure and that is, is pivotal to my, to my work schedule. It's amazing. Yeah. So let's talk about what you're revising, Can you tell everyone what about the hotel Nantucket? Let's, yes, so I'm writing revising my novel the hotel Nantucket and I'm going to use two words to describe it, which I can't tell if these are completely modest, they probably are. Um because I am not known for my modesty, it is classic Hildebrand. So it is, it is about a grand hotel on Nantucket, it's reminiscent of the beach Club, which...

...was my first novel, the blue bistro, which was my fourth novel and a little bit of Golden Girl because um, at the hotel Nantucket and in addition to like a diverse and inclusive staff, which was one of my number one priorities, um a staff that you get to know and hopefully will fall in love with. There is a ghost who lives in the hotel and for anybody who's read my books, I don't really do ghost. Um, but this, this time I did, there was a chambermaid in the summer of 2000 and I'm sorry chambermaid in the summer of 1922 who was killed in a fire. She's been hanging around for 100 years, waiting for her murder be acknowledged, she's piste off, she wants her recognition and when the hotel is bought and restored to its former glamour, she decides that she's going to make her presence known. And so that's sort of part of the plot line. Um one of the other things about this book, which I was telling the girls earlier is that at the end of the book is something called the Blue book and at the hotel to every guest, they hand out the blue book, which is a Nantucket recommendation guide that has, you know, shopping restaurants, beaches, activities, museums. And I am putting my own blue book at the end of the novel so that anybody who reads it will have a blueprint for what to do when you go to Nantucket. That's awesome. That's awesome. Which is perfect. Everyone in your signing lines are like, where do I go to dinner? Where do I keep shopping your recommendations? So you're right there. That'll be amazing what you post on your social Ellen. I just need you to tell me everywhere to go and see. And do I get that a lot? Yeah, but what about the rest of you ladies? Can I have a sentence or two of what everyone's kind of working on? And then I wanted to add if anyone else has any superstitious writing, um, traditions that you do every time either in the editing process or maybe the beginning of the process. Maybe start with Kristen Sure. I don't think I'm that superstitious. I'm just kind of a creature of habit. So I write um I generally right in the same place, but I was on an airplane a week or so ago um by myself, without without my child, not the vacation I just took, but prior to that and I got like 3500 words written on the airplane. I mean, I am now realizing I should just fly everywhere every, every day would be the most efficient way to work, right? Um the book I'm working on will be out in March of 23 so I'm not quite done with it yet, but it's another World War Two story set in World War Two paris and also in 1960 new york and it's about the working title is the paris Daughter. Um and it is about a family, two families torn apart when an allied bomb falls someplace it should be. It's amazing Christie. Um well, I have the wedding veil coming out in March of 20.year 2022, soon, like a few months. Um and it is my first contemporary historical novel about Edith and cornelia Vanderbilt and um a famous piece of Vanderbilt history, their wedding veil that goes missing. And sort of my answer of what happens to it. I am not super. This is weird because I'm superstitious about like a lot of things like if I walk in the front door of your house, I can't go out the back, like there are things like that. Like, you know that like, I grew up with like, everyone is really superstitious in my family. And like, I have I'm sort of superstitious, but I really, I think because my first book I wrote When Will was a baby, like in the middle of the night, and like, I just never had any traditions. It's always been just like on the fly. So, um but I but every time I hear Ellen talk about this, I'm like, yes, yes. I will say before the pandemic, there was this one weekend that my husband had a conference and every single year, it seems like I would go with him and I would hold up in the hotel for like two days while he was at the conference and I would always finish a book, but we haven't done in two years. You were. But yeah, the wedding veil cover is so beautiful. And that packaging for The Advanced is its gorgeous uh patty. My next novel is super secret meaning, I don't know, I'm working on something, but it's at that squishy. I know all of you know about this part where it's still some wet clay and if I start talking about it, I'm going to break it or ruin it. So I'm in that middle part, but I'm not that superstitious about writing traditions. But I would really like to get an apartment for six weeks. So I am now officially superstitious. Yeah, let's make some stuff up. I am now officially superstitious for, for three or four books in a row. I went to this...

...writer's colony in Tennessee and I finished all four of those books there. But it has since shut down. So you also fell off a cliff there also. I, so that ended that superstition. No, I actually went back three more times which you should come to Weymouth in north Carolina and that's what I should do. But I am not easily deterred and I was not deterred even with a hiking accident. But I do feel like my one kind of grounding thing is, is to write first thing in the morning and if I don't, I lose it like that, I lose that little sacred space and time and it's very hard for me to grab it later in the day mary Kay, what are you working on or what's coming out waiting on trying to finish um the book that's allegedly out in May. It's called The Home Records. It's about a woman in savannah. She's a contractor. She and her father in law work on um historic house renovations and she gets cast in a television reality show called um The Home Records and um so I am in deepest despair. I've locked myself up in the carriage house, the squirrels and as we call it here at home because I don't have time to run away from home this time. Um this close. Well we're giving you all the encouragement. We can thank you thinking I'm going to email my editor and tell her it won't be in because of such supply chain problems. People buy that. I changed your brain. Yes. Yes. The oxygen to my brain is insurance. I change your creativity has been completely sound. I so many superstitions, you know, I'm irish and we're very superstitious people. Um I am now on month six of not missing a single day of writing. So the streak is alive and I'm terrified of breaking it. Um and uh oh I write down every day when I start writing in my notebook, I write down the date on the left hand corner and then whatever chapter number I'm working on in the right hand corner, I right where I'm writing, literally. So it's here. If it's untidy or if it's someplace else. Uh if it's on Nantucket, I'm, you know, I'm I'm writing that on my notebook to and then when I finish a book, I have to toast with my favorite um um guilty pleasures which are Reese's peanut butter cups and if I can get them wink grapefruit soda when there are there are a ton of other, there are like I have to write 500 words before I um, Name and save the chapter. Like I can't get away with 300 or 400 or 490. I have to I have to make myself get to 500 words, then I can name it and number it like that. Those are so interesting. Yeah. Okay, let's get this thanksgiving party started, shall we? It's time for a game and we're calling it whose review? So I'm going to read a line from an actual online reader review from one of these authors books and everyone at home can guess whose book we're talking about. Friends and fictions. Managing director meg walker will choose a winner at random from the comment thread and that person will win a signed copy of Ellen's Golden Girl plus a book from each of the fab four. A pretty nice swag. So are we ready for whose review? Okay, review number one, Five out of five stars. Wife loves the book, no idea what it's about or anything about it. Life loves it. So that's all that matters to me. Hilarious. I know she's an avid nick sparks reader and is really enjoying this if that help. So I write in the comments, whoever you that it is. I right, okay, review number two, this Is my favourite 1, 3 Out of five stars. I was a little taken aback by some elements like frequent swearing, drinking and similar behavior, how dare you know what that is and not read it. Who are you? Okay. Review number three one out of five stars. I really wanted...

...to like this book but I just found the characters perfectly annoying. Everything is perfectly decorated the best. The cutest, The most adorable et cetera and no one can make a decision on their own. Like us. Pretty true to life. That's the string. The text string of endless. What should I wear? Everyone continue to write the comments on how, whatever you think, whose review this is. Okay. Moving on. Review number four one out of five stars, boring, boring quickly. I really should have just ended reading after chapter one instead of suffering through hard. Yeah, I figured. Okay, so who's, who's do you think was boring? I hope, I hope it's not like an overwhelming author that they get it wrong. Yeah, we know about that. Everyone's like Ding, Ding, Ding. Yeah. Okay. And last review number 53 out of five stars. Not enough. I'll start off by saying this is a book I probably never would have read but a book club I am in is reading the entire series for the month. So here I am, the writing is good. There are little if any grammatical errors. Look about a big handed compliment, the mark of a great story right there. Okay. Tom clean guys. Which number were you? Let's start with patty. Oh Gosh, mine. Mine is this one. I was a little taken aback by some elements like frequent swearing drinking and similar behavior. Can I just defend myself and say they're drowning in a shipwreck. Can we just start there? Or sharks too. Right. Yes, swearing and the drinking or legit people, if you're ever going to swear and drink, that's the time. That is true. That is true. Kristen mine is boring. The person really should have just ended reading after chapter one instead of suffering through. I mean, you know, sorry, but in the hiding in the forest while people based boring super boring. So I appreciate all of you who slogged through that book. Uh mary Kay um, mine is um, the first one, the guy who decided to leave a review for a book that he had been, he never read because his wife seemed to like it and that my favorite part is that his wife, he thinks my books are like nick sparks get five stars. Five stars. I'll take it. I don't care what they say. A five star thing. Yeah. And Christine. Which one were you? I was um, well none of my characters can make a decision on their own. Just like, well me neither. So um, but it made me laugh because I thought, well when you pick up a book called christmas in Peachtree Bluff and it has a girl holding a wreath on the cover. Like I wanted everything to be the best, the cutest and the most adorable and I don't know what you were expecting otherwise. In defense of that book though there's a lot of hurricane destruction. That is not like the cutest No, that's true. And everybody has like a drama going on. Like everybody has like a major issue that they're trying to solve. Yeah, I mean, but like if you're at the tree lighting, it's pretty adorable. That's true. And Ellen, that would leave that would leave me was one that had varied few grammatical error. That's good job to we have to thank my copy editor and we're very proud of you. Ellen, basically your copy editor could have just written the bug. It sounds like you know that Iowa workshop was a good idea. I think reviews, especially negative ones can be a pretty hot button topic for authors. I mean, and I think to like you're looking at those, it can be, you know, kind of rough. Do you read your reviews? And if not why can reviews be helpful, I guess. I mean, are there positives and negatives student Ellen, I mean, I I never as a rule that's why this assignment gave me so much trauma. I never ever ever ever read my reviews on either good reads or amazon. It's not helpful me. And also it's not, it's not for me. I wrote the book. It's for other readers and it's even if even if they're great reviews, it's not they're not for me. Um you will never please everybody. That would...

...be something that I would tell any kind of any aspiring writer, you are not going to please everybody. So there will be people because you know, you have this wide, diverse readership and they're all coming from a different background in a different perspective. So, some people do not like swearing. And I mean, I've learned that the hard way I try, Honestly, just I used to swear all the time in my books. In the last I think four or five books, I just stopped because it's not worth it for me to hear about it. The words where words are not worth me hearing about it. So, I just stopped. That's one thing that I that I have learned people really take offense and then those people are the ones that to talk about it. Yeah, patty. You know, I try I'm not as as disciplined as Ellen. I try not to read them. I usually read them in the very beginning when the advanced reader copies are out and people are writing on good reads because I want to get a sense for how it's being received as it first enters the world. And then I do my very dang c I didn't curse, no, swearing, I did my very best not to look after that. I really do. I am. I get defensive. I can feel it. I know after 16 books I should have a little bit thicker skin. But um I don't I mean, it's and there's nothing I can do about it. I can't go ask them to take it down, right? I can't go fix the book. So, I think, I mean, I think it's even Ellen who said once like this is your work and then to see someone just tear it. Like it would be like someone and I don't know what the equivalent, but basically like everything with that winter package, everyone just bashing everything that I chair. And I think that that's what people like. It's like who's when you when that's your job, Whose book is it anymore? Is it the readers or is it still the writers? And it's well, it's that whole brain a brown thing about if you're not in the coliseum fighting in the you know, just just be quiet, I have to watch her and that's like special every time before the book comes out. I really, really do. And I said to myself, they're not in the arena in the arena, you know, it's it's a good point. Yeah, I am I you know, I very similar to what Patty said, um I do read my reviews to kind of gauge which way the wind is blowing before the book comes out, but I think that just comes from a place of insecurity. Like I want, I want to know that there are people who like it and I want to beat myself up, you know, in a terrible way over. Like the people who don't and I know that's not good for me, but you know, I get fixated on the numbers, I worry about how it's going to do, and then I do manage, I think, to stop doing that once the books out in the world. But I don't know. I mean, it's it's helpful in some ways I think, you know, if if a criticism is it comes from a place that's actually related to the book and not related to someone's personal agenda or issues. Um and you hear the same type of feedback multiple times that can be helpful to know. Um You know, there could be something you're saying or doing that um that perhaps isn't coming across right, but I don't know. I think sometimes reviews come with people's personal agendas though. Um and that's not helpful to any that's not helpful to anybody, you know, other readers or to the author. And so I think long story short, I think I need to stop them stop obsessing over those reviews. But, you know, we appreciate it. I think we appreciate it as authors when you read our books and when you take a moment to review if what you're doing is not reviewing it in a way important. That's meant to be helpful to other readers. You know, Pat Conroy has a great quote that just flashed into my head that he used to say, used to say, don't go looking for your bad reviews if you have when your friends are going to tell you. There you go, that's true Christine I read mine like, like, I mean, not necessarily every single one, but yeah, like I really do. Um and I don't know if I should or I shouldn't, but I do. And especially like if they're on like instagram or something. Um and you know, I think we all probably have some way shape or form that like we're being notified at least part of the time when we're, you know, coming up on um like even if someone doesn't like tag us or whatever, like we know what our names popping up on the internet. So I think it's funny when people are like, well you shouldn't have come looking for like, well you put hashtag Kristy Woodson harvey and that's my name and it pops up on the top of my instagram feed, There's not a lot I can do about that, but thank you now and that really doesn't happen that much. But you know,...

I really did read them and I think, you know, for every bad review that we might get, we're getting dozens of really great ones. And so I think by and large, like some days it keeps you going, you know, when you're like, why am I doing this? Sort of people like this? But it is funny how we can have, you know, 3000 amazing glowing reviews and like, you know, 30 like okay ones and we're like, oh my God, like the buck is terrible. Everybody hate that. You know, you do like, we always are our worst critics and we believe our worst reviews, but I'm the same like waiting for the wedding bill to come out right now. I am like stalking good reads constantly like trying to figure out, you know, do people like the book to people like it and they're like eight reviews and I'm like reading them like why? It's like we didn't take the most insecure people in the world and put them in a business where they're constantly being like berated or praised. And it's bizarre. I typically don't. Um but when, when I was looking for the review for this, I was looking at the reviews for the newcomer this past summer's book, which the guy posted the five star because his wife might like it. And I found some really nasty ones about away, this is book too long. How is this a beach book? And then I thought, you know, stop just, there's not anything I can do. The book is out in the world and I can't go back and fix it and I can't um you know, there's like t shirt or something that says, um you're not avocado or you're not Guacamole, Not everybody's gonna like you. And so I'm I'm Guacamole like it Guacamole. So, and you know what Ellen, I am not taking out the bad words. Yeah, damn it, not doing it. You know, I have dialogue in my books and my the dialogue reflects the way people speak and they will drop an F bomb when they're stressed or when they catch their fiance with the maid of honor, uh the night before the wedding. Um however, I did not put any, I deliberately there are no f bombs in the santa suit and I'm pretty proud about that. We're proud to, I think that was big for you. Okay, thanksgiving tomorrow, let's talk for a moment about gratitude. Anyone want to chime in on what they're most thankful for this year. Ellen, I this is a shameless plug. I am grateful for Tim, Ehrenberg and I just want to say anybody, anybody watching, I could not do what I do and I know that the four lady, the other four ladies here have experienced his magic in the last 12 months. Tim works so hard For the bookstore, but just for books in general. And um as you can see, he's like a very charming game show host, but so hard and as far as like my own books, I mean the stories I have from the last year alone, about you know, I signed up Mitchell's every Wednesday at 11 in the summer and I was coming right from my bar class and I would text him like is anybody there and you know, he like send me a video of the people lined up and he would have to, you know, talk to them and engage them. And when I did a signing, I did a signing this fall in Madison Wisconsin And a woman came through the line with a present for tim and I knew I is so special and so important to my career and I feel like he's becoming important to you guys as well. And so I'm thankful for you. That is so sweet. Thank you. I'm very thankful for all of you as well. Thank you. Who is next patty? I mean, I know it's a shameless plug, but I'm thankful for tim No, I'm kidding. You have been like you have, I have something else, but you have been a lifesaver for a this year. I know that the whole spires of us here are thankful for you. I um, I am really thankful for so much, but my second grand baby was born just six weeks ago and they're all coming home from far away in two weeks, 2.5 weeks and I am just so grateful that the world has opened up enough to allow that and that I get to see them and be with them and every day when I'm feeling a little bit overwhelmed, I'm like, but there's that there's that congratulations. Thank you. Um, kristen Well, you know, I know you will all echo this too. I mean I'm just so grateful for friends and fiction. I mean just I I know we're all going to say that, but you know, it's just, I can't believe it. How is this 100th episode? It's grown into something we couldn't have imagined and that's because of all of you out there. I mean it's become such a community and you know I try to explain to people the...

...closeness between those of us who run the show, how often we talk to each other how how much in each other's lives we are and you know, it doesn't feel like enough when I say they're my closest, they've become some of my closest friends because you're more than that. Like you, I mean you all have become my family as have um so many of the members out there who are with us every week and who are so active on the page and so I'm I'm grateful for that for the opportunity to be part of something so incredible, so beyond what we could have imagined, but something that's given me a whole new family um that I know I'll always have so thanks all of you for being my family Greg. Would you have ever guessed on that first episode that you would be doing 100? No, not in a million years. We didn't even know we were gonna do seven until we got to we got seven, we thought we would end it in May of 2020. Yeah, yeah. Americans. If you had told What if you had told us we were going to do 100, we probably wouldn't have done the second you would have been like that. Not in for that. I'm feeling grateful that we made it out of the past year alive. Really it was a dark time. We've all been through some stuff. Um I'm grateful that um I'm grateful for the people who listen to science and got vaccinated and more masks and believed and so I'm I'm grateful that you know we're coming, I hope we're coming out of that and Christie. Well to quote Elin Hilderbrand, this might not sound very humble, but bear with me um I this is gonna sound insane when I say this, you are going to be like, that's not true. But it is really true that it did not occur to me until like a week ago that um I had two books on the new york times bestseller list this year and that absolutely blows my mind. And what I'm going to say about that is that had nothing to do with me. It was because Allen wrote me a good read letter and kim packed 720 books and ship them out of Nantucket books. And all these women right here write newsletters about the bucks and put me on their instagram and all of you out there bought them and there are a lot of more important things to be grateful for. But um it's amazing just quite close in my mind and I will never have a year like that again. No, you will, I will never write two books again. I all those years. Alan I'm sorry. I don't know how you did it all those years. You know that's my review. It's hard. It's very, very hard. It's really hard. I mean I think it's um, I underestimated how hard it was. I really did you made it look too easy. Ellen made it look so easy. It's that discipline that she has. Its the 4:37 PM and then she's writing at 4:39. Yeah, but I am super, super grateful for everyone here and everyone in this group And I mean you guys have changed my life like for real, all of you and I think we all feel that way and Friends and fiction has been incredible and hundreds you guys like I can't even 100 100. Yeah. Well yeah, well I'm very thankful for all of you as well and thank you for having me tonight too. So okay now it's time for everyone's favorite, the lightning round. It's definitely my favorite. I've got a series of five questions for these five authors and then oh I think mary Kay has a question for me. Oh no I do, I do. Okay. Are we ready? Ready? Let's go name a traditional thanksgiving dish. You really don't like Christie cranberry sauce. Oh um for me I love stuffing but I can't stand stuffing with sausage or turkey in it. We had a really lengthy discussion about this last week. Those green booms with the almond slices on them and they stop making them. I eat any kind of sweet potato yam. And honestly, you guys, I do not like pumpkin pie. Okay, damn it. She stole my pumpkin pie. But I also I also abhor um oyster dressing and oysters in any, in any form. Yeah, I like all of the uh well, mine would be, my grandma used to make jello with vegetables in it. It's so it's called aspect aspect. Yeah, well, I didn't...

...know what it was called, but it was funny. What famous person would you most like to have joined you at your thanksgiving table? Uh The queen of England, I think because I just think she's so fascinating. Like she's just a complicated, fascinating. Yeah, The interesting conversation patty. Um I would say she's probably only famous to me, but I would have Joy David Mann, who was the subject of my becoming mrs Lewis book because I mean, I've been living with her for seven or eight years now and I would love to sit across the table from her and talk to her about all the things. Mm I love that Ellen. Um So normally I would say Bruce Springsteen, but this year, my favorite famous person is my Peloton instructor gen Sherman, I love her. I love her, She just gave me a skeleton instructor after you like her and you met her this summer, didn't you met her last summer? And it was like, It was, it was it was, it was a high point, it was a high point of my ear. She has she has really high energy. She's a really good one. I love her. Yeah, mary Kay paul read. All right, we could get, we could have guessed that one. Come on. I mean that's the sexiest man now, I'm sure he has a lot of thanksgiving tables that he probably I mean we are talking fantasy here. Right, right. I mean had he wants a dead woman to come to her thanksgiving right? For me to say I want the world's sexiest man to have dinner with me. You chose to before he was the world's sexiest man. So it is true. That's true. Well, I was gonna say cornelia Vanderbilt, but I feel like that's kind of stealing patties. So like I want to have thanksgiving with taylor swift. Talk about our cool. Yeah, I beg text to it would be for you. I'm suddenly curious. I hope she says Cody rigsby were big Cody fan fan. How about a magic Giacomo? I feel really? Yeah. Well, I mean that's that's why there are a lot of yeah, once Bruce Springsteen tim. Who do you want to have dinner with at thanksgiving. Oh wow. Besides us. Obviously. Pretty Spears. I mean she's she's freaked out. She could totally come over now. Yeah. The only thing that was holding her back from coming in and talking to have thanksgiving with me and now she kept now you're free. Okay so do you participate in the black friday shopping madness. Petty, nope. Mhm. No I do I do cyber monday but I do not leave the house. Yeah I do not leave the house and that's the king. Yeah. Mhm mary Kay. Not really Christie. Oh my gosh. Yes I I love it. I love it. I mean like literally I love it so much and this is like I'm not even kidding you my I used to make my dad their stand with me in line at walmart. Like I wouldn't go there 364 days a year but like suddenly I need a 72 inch tv for $318. Like I need that. No I love it. I don't know what it is I've been saying but yeah I love I love your competitive, that's what it is. I am black friday cyber monday. I love it all I and I mostly just do it online. Yeah. Yeah. Um yeah that would, I mean I don't know how people do that, luckily I live on Nantucket, nothing is open past six p.m. on. Well I'm gonna say this that you guys like to be completely honest the one year that we stood in line at walmart it was because there was a toy that we needed and the toy it was not available unless you were at walmart at midnight and so that's why we went and stood in the walmart line otherwise like we have cute little stores here and you know we just doesn't make you feel good when you go in your little stores and buy stuff because he's like a leave the house the day after thanksgiving though. Like I well I was going to say my pants don't sip anymore the day after thanksgiving where I can't anymore. When when do you all start decorating for the holidays? Day after thanksgiving. Me too. Day after day after thanksgiving. Yeah...

...friday any holiday traditions with that or that's when the that's when the I said country music, that's when the christmas music starts. That's when the lights come out. That's when everybody grumbles because I make them go to the attic and bring down the boxes and that all the hens. Yeah that's when tom and I have a massive fight about the writer, the rotary christmas tree lot here opens the day after thanksgiving and were there at like eight a.m. And it was like a real more person though so he's at like 6 45 because everyone ready is everyone up and I'm like oh my God but we're like there in early and get the tree, I love it, I love it all and last and last lightning round question what book do you plan to gift? This holiday season mary Kay uh oh man you would ask me that as someone else. I'm getting everybody. Vivian Howard's this way, I am officially obsessed. We had around. That's a good one. What do you give an Ellen? I'm giving my boyfriend, my the funny thing is my boyfriend is also named him and I'm giving him uh Dave Rolls autobiography, the story. That's a good one. I think biographies are really good for. Is this is going to sound so sexist? I think they're really good for jude's at christmas. Yeah, what's sexist? Yeah, probably, yeah, but that isn't, that is a good gift. I think I'm in a give. Some people are friends and fiction reading journal, which is really cool and we're going to talk about that in a minute. Um but you know what I think would make a really cool gifts and I was thinking this when my aunt was reading your book Christie over the vacation, we were just on um I think the set of all four p street left books would be a great christmas gift this year with them, you know, with the christmas book as the fourth book. So you know, that's new and you can kind of read the whole set at once. So I think that would be a nice little box set and I figured out what I'm going to give. Uh the Atlanta Constitution did a world series commemorative book and my grandson who's 10 is a huge braves fan and a huge baseball fan. I'm gonna give my going to get that for my son's teacher. He's a huge baseball fan. Uh and they do, I think a limited edition of a number of them. So that's what I'm gonna be giving. Okay, well, great, lightning round things. Wait, I have to say mine. I'm sorry Hattie is one kind of wardrobe. I got it for all my friends with her candles, awesome. So glad you didn't skipper tim way. Okay, so we have another quick game that we're going to do and it's called wich pie am I right? The ladies including Allen have all confided in me which is their favorite pie at thanksgiving. So the viewers at home, your mission should you choose to accept? It is to guess from the following description which pie am I? You can type your guesses in the comments and once again, meg will choose a winner at random. Who receive a book from all five of these fabulous authors. So are we ready for whose pie am I? Which I am eyes born ready? Okay, a better description. I didn't know what we were doing. Number one Lemonade Pie. This is a magical concoction that my mom makes and I will send you guys the rest because it is magic. So who's pie? Is that? Okay. Number two coconut cream with whipped meringue. Honestly, anything with whipped mooring is my favorite but on top of coconut cream. Seriously high is that Um Number three Apple and Dried Cranberry with Streusel Topping. The inspiration for this recipe was my high school lunchroom. The topping was so thick and crispy. You practically had the jackhammer to get to the fruit over the years. I've quadrupled the topping to reach maximum chris nirvana whose pies that? Okay, number four village in candy cane pie. This is a french silk pie topped with a peppermint cream on a chocolate cookie crust with candy canes on top. Looks delicious. And last creamy butterscotch pie, sweet and creamy and delicious and the perfect fall treat. Wow! All of those look so good. Yeah, starving. Okay, tell me your pies. Ellen, Mine was the butterscotch. That looks so good. Mine was the village in candy cane pie. That was oh my gosh, mine was the apple cranberry streusel.

Yeah. And mine was the coconut cream meringue. Mine's lemonade, but it actually doesn't have meringue on top. Actually don't like meringue. Yeah, it's just a thing. We don't have income. I like meringues. Uh yeah, like meringue on my cake. It's weird. I don't know if I have. Oh my gosh, Okay, tim. What's your favorite pie? The classic pumpkin pie at thanksgiving. Yeah, my favorite. I'll leave now I do. I love pumpkin, but I like pumpkin. Everything like pumpkin. Wait, I forgot tim. I forgot to ask you the lightning round question, which was who what, what writer or author would you like to have on your show? Tim talks books of anybody you could choose? I think it would have to probably be Stephen King because you know, I was in fourth grade when I picked up it which is in 1000 you can actually see it behind me. I even have a special edition right here. It's not ages. And in fourth grade I was reading it and I probably I mean I really shouldn't have been but first book that I I really just could I just could keep reading and reading and reading and to this day, I just love a really door stopper of a book that I can just get lost into. So I think I have so many questions from such a young age for Mr King that I feel like that would be, That was I'm sorry, I forgot to ask for your question. That's a good one too. Yeah, we have to get we have to get Ellen off here pretty soon. So Ellen, before you go, would you give us your best writing tip? My best writing tip, What is my best Okay, my best writing tip is this dramatize, what does that mean? That means put your characters in a scene with setting with dialogue with a conflict show. Don't tell dramatize. That is like that Little Bit Good. That's a Great one. That's going to be our next t shirt. Elin Hilderbrand dramatized, you know because we have to get Ellen off, I am going to switch things around a little bit and ask her one more question and that is Ellen, would you tell us about your most memorable thanksgiving? Good or bad? Well, I feel like I have to do good. Um I feel like my, my best thanksgiving was the very first time that I cooked Thanksgiving myself. It was in 2017. Is that ridiculous? I went to my mother's, you know, I always went to my in laws when I was married and I never ever cooked dinner by myself but as a lot of you know, like I got divorced in 2013 and I bought a house in 2015 and finally in 2017 I cooked my first thanksgiving meal for myself and my Children. I did everything. I turned my own butter oh my God, on my instagram, what remember that, everything from scratch and that, it was just me and my three Children very cozy, incredibly special. And uh, so that I think is my number one thanksgiving. That's awesome. I love it. That's great. Okay, Ellen, we are gonna let you were going to kiss you goodbye. I do want to say before I leave um oh my gosh, I feel like I'm gonna cry. I am so proud of you guys for what you have built here and I, you know I follow along and I watch and and the way that you have made reading fun and alive and important and the and the community that you have felt, I am so proud of you and such a champion in such a fan and so in awe and your friendship is enviable and you know, I think in our business there's like a lot of professional jealousy and maybe a bit of back stabbing and you know, we all read the article, bad art friend. And um, and there's none of that. This is really a loving community of sharing and support. And I just really want to say you guys did have done a beautiful, beautiful thing. Well, thank you so much for being you've been a big part of it. We can't think. I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful that you've included me and tim, you're my work husband. I love you and I'm picking you up on the boat on Wednesday or yeah, picking me up for stroll and we're going to sign all those copies of Winter Street. Yes. So all the people that are calling for...

...their orders, they're coming. She's just not. She's not here yet. Yeah. Thank you. We'll see you soon. Thank you. Oh, that was so great. Yeah, she's the best. She's the best. Well, we just want to remind you guys tomorrow after the dishes are done and if you're sitting down to write out your christmas shopping list or you're like me and you're like really strategizing on your black friday like take down which is going to be happening over here. Don't forget to add our gorgeous reading journal, which makes a great gift for the voracious reader in your life. You can slip it under the tree from you to you. I do that one for me. One for you know, um there is lots more Friends in Fiction March, also available at Oxford exchange including our winter bock, not our winter box, our christmas package where you can get all four of our books together. I'm supposed to say package. Don't say that, sorry, no package. And also I wanted to just say thank you so much to our friends, Anissa who always does these amazing um, Tuesday shoutouts launched a love for us and thanks for for doing that. And for always, you know, telling our writer friends how much we love them. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. And lisa. All right, you're all listening to the Writer's Block Block podcast, aren't you? Well, if you aren't what are you waiting for if your answer was no, because Friends and Fiction is more than just the show. Yes, we are. We are actually living people out in the real world and we have a podcast and new episodes launch every friday in two days. You will hear the most wonderful podcast by our Ron block who interviews to songwriters about storytelling as song and you know how much I love that subject. So I am so excited about this And it will drop friday morning and you don't want to miss it. And just a quick reminder that you can also find us streaming on a brand new platform called Loco Plus you can also, in addition to local plus catch our live episode each week or any episode you might have missed on our Youtube channel. So you can just type friends and fiction into the search bar on Youtube. Or you can go to the link that sean put up below we, you know, it seems like we have a lot of reminders tonight but we just do because we have a lot going on. We also want to tell you to subscribe to both our newsletter and our Youtube channel so that you have access to all our past episodes and you never have to miss a thing. And if you're wondering about our schedule, it's always on the friends and fiction website and the fall schedules on our facebook banner. Now, ladies and tim um you know, we got Ellen out early, she got out of that recess early. But I wish all of you would tell me uh tell everyone out there briefly, your most memorable thanksgiving, good and or bad tim. We're going to lead it off with you. Unfortunately, I feel I feel like I have to do a bad one because it was really, really bad when I was younger. We were, my whole family goes to my grandparents which is about a quarter of a mile away from our house, you can literally see our house from my grandparents house and we usually stay there the whole day and our house was broken into on things doing and then when we got home everything was stolen and it was disappearing from that event for me and that we were that close and I was so young and just kind of uh I was talking to my mom earlier today about that and saying that you know when you're younger and you can remember things and you but they're usually probably because of pictures, this was such a memory to me that there are no pictures of it, but I just remember so many different things about it, but so thanks, Caribbeans have only gotten better from there, but definitely my most memorable one, it's like a great stop before uh Ellen, oh Ellen, we already heard from Patty, yeah when I was dating my husband 100 years ago he took me home for thanksgiving to meet his family and we got there and it was going so smoothly and so wonderfully and we were sitting around the table, big glasses of red wine on top of an antique white damn ist tablecloth. Hello? Yeah, yeah I reached across the table, knocked over the red wine stained the tablecloth and yep that was that and they bring it up every single oh my gosh! Well that's just it didn't ruin everything, but mine's actually like from the first year I was dating. Well...

...which is kind of funny but I took him home to my house for thanksgiving and my mom and I, neither one are cooks like not at all. My grandmother is a really great one. Um But we are not and somehow we thought we had bought a thawed turkey, but we had bought a frozen turkey and we stay up really late like when we're all together like that and my whole family was there and like All my aunts, uncles, and cousins and everyone were coming at like 11 a.m. to eat and about two a.m. Was like let me just check out the turkey situation because I'll help you out with the turkey because he's really he's a really good cook and he was like um the turkey's frozen. So we had to like stay up all night with the turkey because it was frozen. So anyway it was, I can't remember the particulars and I'm sure someone's like you couldn't have done that. He would've gotten salmonella. I don't know, I don't remember what we did, but we did something and we stayed up all night with the brush was very memorable. She could have called the turkey talk line, I could have I could call the turkey talk line. I didn't know Now, you know it's not mine I think was um I didn't know at the time it was going to be my favorite, thanksgiving but it was uh I think it was 2008, it was the last year that my grandparents were both still alive, so my my my grandfather died in 2009 um and my grandmother uh was diagnosed with dementia fairly soon after that, so she was never really herself after that, that thanksgiving. Um and I thought that, you know, that was always thanksgiving. Thanksgiving was always with my mom's side of the family, was always with her parents, I was so close to my grandparents and I think back to that thanksgiving a lot um and how you never know that it's going to be the last time that, you know, the last traditional gathering with, with people you love and I just took it for granted that year and and I wish I hadn't, but but that's a memory, that means something and it's a memory that reminds me to try to live in the moment and savor all of those new memories we're creating, she just never know, you don't know, well, you know, my life's memorable thanksgiving, we're coming up on the 45th anniversary of it Because Tom and I got married, Thanksgiving weekend 76, so my father's family were irish catholic from Chicago, so they rolled off the plane on Tuesday or Wednesday before thanksgiving and the party started because I know how to party and then my husband's tom's family were um equation from Pittsburgh and they drove down in giant Buicks with you know like mile long salamis and cabbage walls and um I think my memory is we had thanksgiving dinner at my parents because my mom had the biggest dining room and oh my god, the laughing and the feasting and the bringing together of Tom's family's thanksgiving traditions with stuffed cabbage, and then my family's tradition which was mostly about potatoes and pie and uh we oh my god, I can remember and neighbors came over, there was a lot, there was a lot of drinking and we don't know how we did this, we ended up playing twister, we're getting, you used to play twister, you have a lot of drunk adults and um it was one of those just, I don't know one of those kind of magical nights when you have two families um you know, kind of different backgrounds, but actually more similar than you would think about because they were both from, you know, up northern industrial immigrant families, catholic families coming together and really it was like uh it was really like a giant weekend long drinking game, thank you the 20 it's really exciting, I love that, I think that speaking of drinking, that's a wrap of our 1/100 episode of Friends and fiction, I feel pretty pretty, pretty sure that all of us, I would agree that at the top of our list of things to be grateful for. We would put this fabulous community of readers, 100% writer's book lovers, booksellers like tim, Thank you so much. Thank you, meg and Sean. And are you? So don't forget to stick around for our butter, butter, butterball turkey, but turkey after show tim are you gonna hang? Are you going to go? I think I'm going to sign off, but I am going to say everyone raise their glass because I want to cheers you all. Thank you for having me and thank you. Congratulations on episode 100. I hope I can come back for...

...episode 200. Yes, definitely invaded. Congratulations. And I'm really thankful for all of you as well. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah. Uh well, that was fun. Welcome you guys to our Better ball. Talkin. Turkey after show. We're so excited that you're here. This isn't particularly good time to have a talk in turkey show, I think. Yeah. So what are y'all doing? What's your what's your turkey problem? Just pictured. I know that the butter ball was over my, I texted him, I slipped him a little extra to make patty. The butter ball. Yeah, well, I'll tell you that tom um decided after he watched the Virginia Virginia. Uh Uh huh The Vivian Howard episode last week? He decided that he would spatula cock our turkey. Oh, wow. So he has it brining. And then he is going to spatula cock it. It's a man roast it. That sounds good. And then all the sides are yes dispatch cock drinking game is still on dispatch cock drinking game will never end. Like the ship puns ship sons remember and last night we were talking we were talking last night or last week, we were talking about dispatch cock my Thompson. Every time I hear that word I think of the word bitch slap. For some reason we made we made it almost a whole episode without adwords. We're close now. Tim said damn it earlier. So never mind never mind. Well I think I don't think I ever realized that your anniversary was at thanksgiving much. Yeah. What a special anniversary? That's really 22 baby. We were 22 years old, Wow, that's kind of babies. We were 23 when will and I got married. Where are you? Really? And I I was 36 I think. 36. 35. 36. 35 I think. Yeah. Really? 27. Yeah, meg was 29. Yeah. I don't know you're ready when you're ready? Whether you're Yeah, absolutely, Christie is as frozen as her thanksgiving turkey. Yeah. Yeah, freezes pretty. Doesn't she? Why do you do it like that? There you are there You have a why? You gotta say a word? I don't like this. You were frozen as your turkey. Yeah. Are you doing the turkey or as well doing it. Can you see me now. Yeah. Prison. Oh that's frozen. You can hear me but you can't see me. That's so weird because like mine is totally normal. I can see myself. Um, they're definitely not. Me, definitely not me. But we have both our families coming, which is really fun. We've done that for like, gosh, like before we got married, we used to go to kinston and do his family thanksgiving. And then we were brought to salisbury and do my family thanksgiving. And I think it was the first year, maybe the second year we got married and we were like, I'm kind of done. Everyone come to our house and everybody just like meets in the middle and now that we're at the beach, like it's really fun because oh, that's perfect. Yeah, everybody likes to come. So, and I was actually thinking when you said this kind of joking, but my grandmother is from eastern north Carolina originally and she says, but a ball. But uh, what about that? I love it. I love it. Well, I'm proud of us, you know, 100 and I can't believe it. It's I, you know, as we said during the show, I think we're all just so grateful. It's beyond anything we dreamed of. And, and it's, it's just been this beautiful thing. The dogs even agree. Okay, dogs agree. I think really sweet to hear Ellen and tim say it too because we know how much it means to us And it's nice to hear how much it means to them to write other offers and you were go ahead. I'm sorry you're just going to say you just wear with your whole family. So are you gonna are you all kind of thanksgiving? Yeah so I was with my mom's, my mom's side of the family for my brother's wedding in Hawaii which was incredible. Um But for thanksgiving I think we're going to go down, we usually spend thanksgiving now with Jason side of the family um and then christmas with my mom. So we that's how we that's how we split it up. But everyone on Jason's side of the family is such a good cook.

So we end up having just incredible food and incredible wine. They are also excellent shoppers of wine. So we have amazing, amazing stuff. So are they good black friday shoppers that I think that's not like you know something I was thinking earlier when I said I don't do black friday. My father in law actually is the general manager of the mall. Um And so we go visit him usually on black friday not to shop but they're always winds up being shopping which with me his number. Exactly. Uh Okay patty, what do you do? I know what patty's doing, I love the idea for, for thanksgiving. Yes we're going to the mountains and we have never done it before. We have we have celebrated every single thanksgiving except one where I think to, one where I fell off the mountain and one where somebody was ill but um we're going to the mountains for the first time and we are loading up on board games and card games and um we're also celebrating my son's college graduation. So great! Congratulations! What a beautiful time. Yeah, so yeah, I'm really excited, I'm really excited. So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go finish cooking. How about y'all? Yeah, I know I get to um you know I made my gravy yeah, last week. Um but I'm afraid I didn't make enough gravy because along keep a week you can phrase it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I think you're gonna make some more gravy and I don't make my own pie crust all into that. I know I'm well this year because I wasn't in my own home with my own kitchen um I did order the pies from the mountain farmers market, I didn't do that, but if we all get stuck tomorrow we can all call the butterball hotline, we can kind of want to do it just to see what they say. I know I was thinking the same thing, but you know they're open all the way I believe through the end of december. So I'm wondering about calling maybe like not on a date, you know what I mean like if we don't need the help tomorrow I just yeah I might need to help you but I kind of want to call in. I kind of want to come up with a great turkey question for december because there's so many things you can do with turkey after thanksgiving. And I wonder if the answer leftover questions because like, I would love to know like, like, you know like maybe like the best way to freeze your leftover turkey or like, you know, turkey last in the first uh Turkey, we do a men like that, we did a trial run of the butter ball um bone in turkey breast um before last. And it was so good That I actually bought another one because we're gonna have, I don't know, 12, 12 or 14 people. Um not everybody in the family can be here and my son has to work. But so I think I just like, well let's just get that and um that you know, you put it in the, it's in the bag, it comes in the bag, it's crazy. Stupid good. And so you just, you know, um I'll do that one in the oven um With two Evans because two people need two ovens. sure I will do the bone in. I like the bone in because then I can use the the carcass make um stock and then I'll have our regular turkey, which tom has promised he's going to scratch cock nice. You know, I believe that the butter ball boneless turkey breast if I'm remembering correctly because I think we've made it before is freezer to oven. So that's a good one to keep on hand if you end up with more people Like you know sometimes the day of like you think you're having 14 people and it'll wind up being 18. Yeah, I'm remembering right? That's like a 2.5 hour or three hour cook time. So it's one of those ones you can throw in last minute to accompany the turkey, which I think is not what I did when I did the first one. I, you know, I didn't even read the directions. I put it in the fridge to um it's a different Yeah, yeah. So it thought in the fridge and we just cooked at it. I was, I literally had a signing event for the santa suit. Did you see how I put that book in there? Yeah, uh I got the turkey was ready. Uh well ladies cheers to y'all and two hours are amazing readers out there. I...

...wish we were in because we've all got our glasses. Thank you. See, you can see what ending one for you. One for me. I alright, I love you. Happy before we leave to see you next week. Happy thanksgiving everyone and happy thanksgiving everybody celebrate butter all is celebrating the 40th anniversary of Turkey talk line. If you need any help tomorrow. Give him a cup. Happy thanksgiving everybody. Thank you for tuning in. You can join us every week on Facebook or YouTube, where our live show airs on Wednesday nights at seven p.m. eastern time, also subscribe to our podcast and follow us on Instagram. We're so glad you're here.

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