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Frinds & Fiction with Alice Hoffman and the launch celebration for Patti Callahan's Once Upon a Wardrobe

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F&F welcomes bestselling author Alice Hoffman. The crew discuss the brand new fourth installment in Alice's acclaimed and beloved Practical Magic series, THE BOOK OF MAGIC (an instant NYT bestseller). They also talk about magic and fairy tales and witches, about the different skills invloved in writing fiction, non-fiction, screenplays, and magical realism, and they talk about Alice's work for breast cancer resarch and treatment. Then they shitft gears to celebrate Patti Callahan's new book ONCE UPON A WARDROBE. Hear about Patti's research and inspration, her passion for all things CS Lewis and Narnia, and about the power of imagination and stories to bring us hope and a deeper understanding of our world.

Welcome to friends and fiction for newyork times, bestselling authors, endless stories, novelists, mary Kayandrews. Kristen Harmel, Christie Woodson harvey and paddy CallaghanHenry R four longtime friends with more than 70 published books between themtogether, they host friends and fiction with author interviews and fascinatinginsider talk about publishing and writing to highlight and supportindependent bookstores. They discussed the books, they have written the booksthey're reading now and the art of storytelling. If you love books andyou're curious about the writing world, you're in the right place. Hello everyone. It is Wednesday nightand that means it's time for the happiest hour and tonight the mostmagical night of the week. Friends and fiction. Welcome to our show. We haveso much to look forward to tonight. I am patty Callahan and I'm mary KayAndrews, I'm Christine Harmel and I am Christy Willson Harvey and tonighty'all it is about magic, the magic of stories of fantastic lands and snowyforests of the launch of Once Upon a wardrobe of the magic of our incredibleguest Alice Hoffman and her magic series culminating this month with thebook of magic the fourth about the Owens family. But before we dive inremember we started friends in fiction to support indie bookstores and we havepartnered with warrants and beautiful la Joya California as our featuredindie bookseller through the end of october works as the country's oldestcontinuously family owned and operated bookstore. So we see them as an idealpartner for our mission. We are going to keep encouraging you to shop localand shop small by buying from works all month long and we will be offering youspecial opportunities along the way browser selection which includes thefriends and fiction host books as well as latest as by tonight's guest AliceHoffman. If you order either Alice or patties book from work tonight you'llreceive an exclusively designed wooden bookmark before we get into our show.We have to take a second to have a celebration because yesterday awardrobe launch something I can do this a hit number eight. We have so much tocelebrate so we're so excited for her on your copy of Once Upon a wardrobe.Yet now another minute. It is amazing and fabulous kristen. Are you drinkingchampagne? Did we give you that mental? I am Christy. Can you just pour taughtme off maybe long. Just snow little We'll give you a road. Thanks. I meanjust put it through the screen. I just you know, here is the subway happy pubweek. Well speaking of Once Upon a wardrobe, we know you all know we havea regular column for Parade magazine and this week's essay written by pattyis all about fairy tales and why they're still so important today. It'sabout the allure of the words Once upon a Time and what that does to us how aproposal for a night like tonight as we celebrate two weavers of fairy talemagic patty. Can you tell us a little bit about the essay you wrote? I ask are we too old for fairy tales,Do they still matter? Because as Lewis, the author of the Lion the Witch andthe wardrobe says sometimes fairy stories say best what needs to be said.So, I wrote a little bit about why this is true, how these kind of stories,including Alice Hoffman's book with magic, how they affect our lives. Youcan find literary theory and you can find definition galore. But isn't afairy tale different for each of us. They invite us into imaginary worlds sothat we can better understand this world. When I go to a fairy tale, I setout for one destination and arrive at another completely. They hold all theseemotional truce and they blend the real and the fantastic and more importantlythey are enchanting. So at our after show party tonight we are going to heareveryone's favorite fairy tales and childhood tales and we will have somespecial Poppin guests to talk about them too. But I cannot wait to hearwhat Alice Hoffman says about all of...

...this as she writes very much about theimpact of fairy tales. So, I know we don't have to but I am going to tellyou a bit about Alice Hoffman Three. Alice Hoffman is the best sellingauthor of over 30 novels, three books of short fiction and eight books forChildren and young adults, Alice wrote her first novel property ofat the age of 21. While she was studying at Stanford, her work has beenpublished in more than 20 translations in more than 100 foreign editions.Several of her novels have been recognized as notable books of the yearby the New York Times Entertainment Weekly Library Journal and peoplemagazine. Her novel practical magic was made into a Warner brothers filmstarring Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman Kidman Alice also wrote theoriginal screenplay for Independence Day, a film starring Dianne Wiest andKathleen Quinlan. I'm gonna have to go back and watch practical manage likethat. It's so good. So I loved that movie. Yeah, so good Alice grew up onLong Island and currently lives in boston. She donated her advance fromlocal girls which is a collection of interconnected stories about love andloss on Long Island to help create the Hoffman breast center at Mount AuburnHospital in Cambridge, massachusetts. The fourth and final novel in Alice'spractical magic series. The Book of Magic was released. This was releasedlast week and we are so happy to have her sean, could you bring Alison? Okay, Magic is afoot. Welcome Alice. Itis such a thrill to have you. But before we get started we all havesomething to say. Ready. Congratulations, thank you so much andcongratulations. Thank you. So I have read so much of your work and themarriage of opposites was my gateway to your novels and the fourth in the magicseries. The Book of Magic just came out. So, if you could tell everyone outthere just a little bit about the book and where we are in this series andsomething about the new one. Yeah, well, I I wrote practical magic25 years ago and I never thought I would write about those characters ofthat family again. And then I started to get letters and notes from readerssaying that they wanted more and they wanted to sequel. And I, I don't know,it took me 25 years or so to 20 years to do it. And I decided I didn't wantto write a sequel. I really wanted to write a prequel because I'm interestedin going back in time, kind of, family histories are really fascinating to me.So I wrote um The next book I wrote was called the Rules of Magic, which takesplace in New York City in 19, in the 1960s. And then after that I wrote abook called Magic lessons which goes back to the 17th century and it's kindof the origin story and now this is the book of Magic is the last in the series.And the last Owens Family book, which was kind of sad for me. But also I feltlike there was closure and I had had the really good fortune to have thesecharacters with me for almost 25 years. Sad for the reader to Alice Sad for thereader to have to be in the last one. Oh well, thanks. But you know, I feellike there's kind of closure when you're I think there needs to be closed.You know, it doesn't feel that we would like a single novel that can end whereit ends. But once you start having, you know, many novels about the same family,it feels like for me it felt like there had to be some sort of closure for thefamily and for the readers and also for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well your openingline in the book of magic is so pitch perfect and I remember I read it reallylate at night and I wanted more than anything to text our friend Ron Blockwho is our rock star librarian that runs our podcast. But um some storiesbegin at the beginning and others begin at the end, but all the best storiesbegin in a library. So good, so good. So this series began, what was youroriginal spark for this fascinating Owen's family, you know, I'm notexactly sure, but the way I really started what was I have a list oftitles that like a running list of titles, a title called practical magic.And I just said this is a book, I, I don't know what the book is, but Ithink it's a book and I'd always been interested in in, which is, you know,actually I was cleaning out my house during Covid and getting everythingtogether. And I stumbled upon my oldest drawing that I remember making in firstgrade, but I didn't remember this and it was a drawing of a witch with ablack cat in a bat, very, you know, typical witch. But I thought, you know,I had like the same subject matter of my whole life. And so, you know, Iwasn't surprised me that when the own...

...family turned out to be witches, that'samazing. So did you, I think you sort of answered this, but you didn't alwaysmean to necessarily make this into a series or write 1/4 book? No, not atall. I mean if I had thought I was going to make it to a series, I wouldhave done it in a much smarter way and had an outline of a plan for all thebooks, but that's that's really not what happened. You know, it was kind ofa hodgepodge because I didn't think I would be doing it. Thanks, wow. SoAlice, I would love to talk to you about the word magic and how itenchants us all. So very much you as your tagline says, blend the real andthe Fantastic. Which goes to your oft quoted line books are the only truemagic. So since we're talking about magic tonight, what is magic to you?How would you define it? Well, for me in my life, it really has been booksand literature and writing and being a reader, I feel the magic for me waswhen I first went to a library and I had the freedom to choose any book thatI wanted and to read anything that I wanted. And also for me growing upwhere I did, where there wasn't there wasn't much hope. It gave me hope andthat there was another world and other possibilities. It kind of opened theworld in the best way and I think in the most magical way, I love that. Ifeel like that's what magic does open. So your fairy tales and all of this,they opened these new worlds to us as patty said earlier. Um you also writein the Ice Queen, every fairy tale had a bloody lining I'm so interested inthat. Can you talk to us about that line and how fairy tales and which isas you said, which is have always um interested you can you talk a littlebit about how fairy tales in which is interested inspire you? Well, you know,there are some people that think that nobody under the age of eight should beread fairy tales or should read fairy tales because they're really brutalstories. They're very emotionally true and psychologically true. I thinkthat's why I love them as a kid because I just when I was growing up a lot ofkids literature kind of talked down to you and very calls never talked down to.And um you know, the other thing is with the bloody lining is that I alwaysfeel like there's like an outside story and an inside story when you're writinga novel. So the outside story, you know, usually know the inside story revealsitself to as you're writing, usually sometimes don't know what you'rewriting about until you're in the process or until you finish sometimes that's a good point. That's kind of alittle bit magical to. Absolutely. Um why do you think little girls areinterested in? Which is why why do you think which is appeal to um girls intowomen? I've read you talking about how, which is are the only female mythicfigures that have power. And I think that's such an interesting statement.Is that something that that you that you still feel and that you kind ofdraw on when you're working on these books? I think it's I think it's reallytrue. I mean, certainly when I was growing up at Halloween, you could beeither a princess or which that was pretty much wow with the Bride Alyssa,I think that's kind of the I always wanted to be a witch. But even now, youknow, when little girls have options and there are other characters theycould be, I mean, everybody still wants to be a witch. So I think, you know,it's exactly that, you know that the witches is the character is the mythiccharacter that has some power. And one of the interesting things I readrecently that I forget the exact percentage, but something like 80 or85% of the heroes in Fairy Tales are girls. And that's really not truestatistically of other stories. So, you know, I think for all of us, I havenever heard that percentage in a fairy tale. When I was writing that essay wasdoing all this research on fairy tales. And one of the fascinating things washow many things they have been called through the ages, Wonder Tales, DreamTales, folk tales. But I've never heard that that percentage have been women.That is fascinating. And you know, it's also interesting that some of the mostfamous, you know, collectors of fairy tales are men and that they kind of coopted and corrupted the stories to be what they wanted it to be. So that thekind of image of the witches of like the ugly old crone or something bigWorks always works. Yeah, yeah. Or the wicked stepmother is probably acreation. Yeah. The Wicked Stepmother. Well, sometimes that's, that happens. I,you know, I love the Children's class in college and we studied the originalGrimm's Brothers versions of fairy tales. And uh, you would not wantcontemporary Children to read those...

...because for instance, in Cinderella,the evil step sisters, I mean, one of them who puts on the slippers dances toher death because they're made out of fire and the birds pluck out their eyes.Yeah they're grim. They really are grim. Well they're you know they're verybrutal fairy tales. Yeah. And then Disney cleaned him up and make moneyoff. Yeah. Alice you've written so many different types of fiction andnonfiction as well as the screenplay for the 1983 film Independence Day withKathleen Quinlan. Not to be confused with the 96 film of the same name. Willsmith. Yeah with Will smith. Would you talk to us about going back and forthbetween solid realism and magical realism? Is that process different Andhow do you choose your subject? I have a lot of questions. A lot of questions.So is is that a different process? How do you choose your subject And how doyou see saw back and forth between those different genres and stories?Well I don't see myself as a writer of realism and I I find that realism iskind of the new kid on the block. That the that the that literature really isis more magical, contained more magic up until recently. Um So and I reallyyou know, I don't like the kind of putting things into genres because Ithink it's a way to devalue them as not literature? You know if it's fantasy,it's not literature I think that's all changing sort of a little. Yeah butcertainly when I was growing up, you know there was like fantasy and sciencefiction and there was mystery and you know, then there was literature and umliterature was usually written by men and um so you know, I think for me Iwas a screenwriter for a long time for about 25 years and you know, it's justsuch a different process than than being a novelist where you kind of incharge of things and being a screenwriter, your you can be veryeasily replaced and you know, there could be three screenwriters on aproject. Just a very different process and you know, a novel just belongs toyou and the reader, you know, basically, do you ever feel um schizophrenic goingback and forth in my life? I think all writers are schizophrenic we live inare we live in our head and then we have to go out in the real world andbuy groceries and get our cars tuned up? Yeah. I always thought like what areother people thinking about when they're like in line waiting for theircoffee? You know, I love you. So what do you think about, what do you thinkabout? Yeah, I don't know. I think about that all the time when I'mfalling off to sleep. I'm wondering I wonder what somebody else thinks aboutwhere they're going to sleep? My best ideas come in the shower. So I alwayswonder, well, is everybody else in the shower just showering. Yeah, mine too.I mean that's a great place for some reason. Your mind is just so freed ordriving when you're like on a long run driving? Always. Yeah. Oh my gosh,that's hilarious. It's so true. I have thought that so many times. Alice. Iwatched that in conversation you had with matt Haig. It was so yeah, he he'samazing. I love his new book and the Midnight Library. I just love that book.And you know, it's funny that book would have been great no matter what.But the fact that it came out during Covid, it was just the perfect timebecause when I read it, I was so depressed than the day I picked it upand I had like really loved his work before. But this book is justspectacular. And I felt compelled to write to him after I read the bookbecause I felt so much better after Midnight Library. It's just a terrificbook. And and it's just so interesting. You know, the idea of it of you knowwhat if you what if you could live these different lives? It offered somuch hope. Don't you think? I just heard you call it an antidote todespair. And I 100% agree. I think it really is wonderful. But in thatconversation, I heard you say that writing a book is often writing amessage to yourself and it is a way of telling the truth to yourself. So didthat happen with this fourth book in the Magic Series? You know, it justhappened to me this morning actually when I was writing, I'm just like, ohmy God, this is what the book is bad. I had no idea. Um yeah, I think, you know,it was a little bit different with the book of magic because I knew the familyso well and I knew so much about them. Yes. But what I realized when I waswriting it, it's really about breaking...

...a curse. The family has this curse,which, you know, if if any of them fall in love, then the person they're inlove with will meet with a horrible untimely death. And I realized, youknow, so many families hand down these legacies of trauma in one way oranother, you know, and I think that's part of like why people are sointerested in genealogy and going back in history and trying to kind of figureout who they are, why they are the way they are. And I realized, you know,that was, you know, really what the book was about. I um I feel like every time I write abook, I come away with something I didn't think I was writing about. Yeah,I think that's the inside story on the outside story, right? You think, youknow, when you have an outline or whatever and then all of a sudden yourealize there's something inside of there that you're trying to tellyourself. And I really always think that writers, novelists are writingbooks for themselves, you know? Yes. Their message this. Well, there's thatquote from the lucy Barton book, Elizabeth stroud about where thewriting teacher says, don't worry about what story you're going to write. Weall only have one and we just find different ways to tell it. And I'vealways loved. Yeah, she's such a great writer. Yeah, she's amazing. So thisbook is called The Book of Magic, but there are also books of magic in theBook of Magic. And in your author note, you talk about Amelia Bassano Lanier,the first woman in England to publish a volume of poems who was fictionalizedin the novel Amelia Bassano and has been rumored to have written a lot ofShakespeare's work. So, can you tell us a little bit more about her and how sheinspired some of the book of Magic? Yeah, I didn't know there was a novelabout her. But yeah, she she is in she figures in magical essence in the 17thcentury. And then again in the book of Magic. And as she said, she was thefirst woman in Britain to publish a book of poems, you know, really gotnothing for it. There's all kinds of rumors. She was she was a came from afamily of jews from venice um jews were not lead in England for hundreds ofyears nor in any place else in europe. And um there are rumors that she was adark lady that Shakespeare wrote about it and there are rumors that sheactually wrote the plays because she was the mistress of the person who wasin charge of all theatricals in London. And she was involved with ChristopherMarlowe who who may or may not have taught her how to write a play. Um, butit's kind of an interesting idea. And she writes this book in in my book, shealso writes a book of dark magic, kind of a book of revenge for everything shedidn't get and everything she wanted. And my characters find this book andit's kind of like a witches journal called The grim War and um and it leadsthem to places they wouldn't have otherwise gone too. So, you know, Ithink she's a very interesting character in that, you know, her lifewould have been so different had she been a man of course, of course. And when I said she'sfictionalized in the novel, I meant your novel. Oh, she's actualizing yournovel. Yeah, I mean, she's not so much a character as she is kind of a voiceand a writer Well and she's an inspiration for the Owens, right? Yeah,to go. But she's also it's also she's also kind of a warning. Yes, she's very,very um she's so wounded and so hurt that her magic is very dark. I want toask about the left hand and right hand magic that is without any spoilers. Youdivide the dark magic and the light of magic into left hand and right hand.Tell me a little bit about how that came about from your research. Yeah.Well, I mean, that is what, you know, black magic is called this left handedmagic. And uh left hand is has been long thought of to be, you know, kindof evil in some ways. And left handed people, sorry if anybody's left handed,it's not like right the role. She's just tellinggirls. I'm just telling it. And my father is. Yeah, it's funny. Yeah. Well,I think that's one of the reasons they tried to make left handed people beright handed. You know, that's what they used to do back in the day is, youknow, tie your left hand down so that you had to use your right hand. Um, soI don't know. I think that there are, you know, you know, you know, there'sgood and evil. The world is split into light and darkness and especially, youknow, when we talk about myths. So that's part of what happens. Do youhave your own library of books of magic? Because I know they're real, they'reout in the world fascinating. I do. I do. I mean, I have research, I haveresearch books. I don't want to have a...

...witches book because, you know, withthe witches journal is supposed to be burned when when when she does unlessit's passed down to a family member because it's private. It's personal.And you know, you just don't want your magic getting out there to just anyone.So fascinating, so fascinating. Alice, we've been talking a lot about literalmagic tonight, right? Like the magic you write about. But you know, we weretalking about this before we went on the show and I think you've donesomething really truly magical in your own life with the founding of theHoffman Cancer Center. Can you talk a little bit about that? Oh, I'm sorry.Yeah, Can you talk a little bit about that and and and kind of what yourexperience was leading up to that and what made you bring that into the world?Yeah, well, I had breast cancer I think about 25 years ago. I'm I'm kind ofblocking it out exactly when I think it was 1998 actually was just when themovie practical magic was being made, so that I was just because I wasotherwise engaged. But in the hospital that I went to, which is a greathospital to Harvard teaching hospital, but they didn't have a breast center.So you just kind of sat there with everybody else while you're waiting foryour radiation, you're sitting next to some kid who broke his arm playingbaseball. It was just like, it was not the most comfortable thing. And when Iwas when I was done with my treatment, I was so grateful, I asked my friendsthere who were doctors, you know, what could I do? And They said, you know, dosomething local. And so we created together working together the center.And for, I think the past 20 years it might be 25 years. We've had a writer'sevent every year and have raised quite a lot of money. And writers have beenso generous and given of their time, so amazingly. So, you know, it's just it'sbeen a great experience to be involved with it. Well, that's awesome. Count us in inthe future if you ever need us, what it means, it means something to all of usto um, you know, Alice, we were also talking a little bit earlier about thedecision about whether or not to share that experience and how it's difficult,you know, it's a difficult choice. How much of yourself do you share whenyou're going through something like that? But ultimately, you wrote aboutyour experience, a memoir form and you have shared it now very broadly. Whatwhat brought you to that point where you felt like you were ready to do that?Well, I really didn't tell many people were talking about that before. Andthen, you know, I think, like, the next after a year after my treatment, Iwrote an article in the new york times about it. And um, my family membersfound out about it that way. And then I wrote a book called Survival lessons,just a very small book, which I felt like was the book that I wished someonecould have given to me, you know, when I was first diagnosed because mostly Ijust really wanted to talk to survivors and to know that you know, it waspossible to survive and um so you know, I I feel like you know, I'm kind of aprivate Person for the first like 20 or so years when I was a writer, I nevereven told anyone, I was a writer never. And you know, I just feel actuallybeing involved with the center has made it easier for me to talk about certainthings and certainly to talk about cancer, but growing up, especiallygrowing up for me, you know, you know, that was something you just didn't talkabout. So it was partially by being private and not wanting to have aninterfere with my work, but I think it was partially the way I had grown upwas that you know, you just don't talk about these things. Yeah, yeah, thatmakes sense. Okay, Ellis, most of our viewers and we admit us, one of ourfavorite parts of the show is to ask our guests for writing tip and trust me,All four of us are leaning forward to hear yours so well I have a few but theone I think is the most important is one that my writing Professor AlbertGirard gave to me, which was a great blessing and it was that, you know,most writing teachers will tell you write what, you know, and he alwayssaid write what you can imagine. And that was I recommend that to everyone,especially to young writers don't feel like you have to tell the story of yourlife in fictional form. You can do whatever you want to do if you can feelit, you can write it. So we have a lot of live questionscoming in and everyone is asking what you're working on next. I well, youknow, I'm always afraid to talk about it too much and I know, you know,because somehow that magically we'll do something, but I'm writing a bookthat's biblical. So it's completely different. Um I wrote The Dove Keepers,which was which was kind of my biblical book are what was post biblical, butthis is even further back in time. And so it's been really fun and interestingfor me to do the research and to write about that time period. Oh my gosh,whatever it is, we cannot wait. We...

...cannot wait. Well in the marriage ofopposites you wrote about a real person is the one you're working on a realperson. Well who knows, you know, back, you know, it was so long ago, who whoknows what's the story, what's a fairy tale and what was really, you know,it's hard, it's true? What's an origin story and what's a what's a stableExactly. Thank you so much for joining us with your very particular andenchanting kind of magic. Your new book is the spellbinding lee good book. AndI'm sad. I already read it because I wish I had it ahead of me because I'veread all four and I'm going to miss Jet and I'm going to miss the O. N sistersand I'm going to miss Black tears. I'm going to miss all of it. We can gowatch practical magic again. Let's do that tonight. Tonight. Thanks Great totalk to you. Thanks for joining. Congratulations. Oh, fantastic. Amazing. Okay. Are you allready for the virtual launch party of Once Upon a wardrobe with a giveaway atthe after party and loads of fun. I now hand over the reins of the sleigh toKristen Harmel. I get to drive a sleigh. This is thisis yeah, I haven't had too much to drink tonight. I'm safe. I'm good. Iforgot my jingle bells, but I'm all right. You guys this night could notget any better. First Alice Hoffman and now paddy Callaghan, our dear friendand Friends and fiction co founder who has written a beautiful masterpiecethat brings alive the Wintry world of Oxford and Worcester England, Is thathow you say it was a western Worcester? Okay, so let's all walk through thewardrobe door to find out more. And just a reminder after we finishedtalking with pad tonight, the fund will continue in the after show with specialguests and a giveaway. So you won't want to miss that. Alright, so to startoff our wardrobe celebration patty, I would love to know a bit about why youknew Alice Hoffman was going to be the perfect guest to share the stage withyou tonight as we talked about magic. Can you tell us a little bit about thatand about your book? Okay, when I first read Alice Hoffman and the way that shecombined the real and the fantastic, it reminded me so much of all my favoritefairy tales and yet it was grounded in this kind of, you didn't disbelieve it,you were right there with her and when I was writing Once upon a wardrobe andshe mentioned it tonight about origin stories. And I love that she said thatthat she wrote an origin story for her story and I was fascinated with theorigin stories of our favorite stories. So, I will give you the plot of OnceUpon a wardrobe really quick. It is winter of 1950 and there was a youngboy named George who lives in a stone cottage in Worcester England, rightalong the river Severn. It is the month of October exactly 71 years ago. Thisweek in real life when a small boat burst onto the scene, It was called the lion the Witch andthe wardrobe. And George read it front to back and back to front and he hiddenhis wardrobe and he really wanted to find the magical land on the other side.He has a sister who is a math and physics genius and she comes home forthe weekend and she attends Oxford University and he says to her I knowthat the writer of this book teaches at your university, I need you to trackhim down and I need you to ask him where did this magical land come from?And she says that's ridiculous. That's absurd. The world is founded on mathand logic and physics. And Einstein is about to discover the theory ofeverything and he begs her and she loves him. And she tracks down theauthor C. S. Lewis and he doesn't answer her the way we hope he does. Heanswers her with stories oh my gosh I've read this book, I'veloved this book. Um but to hear you talk about it now is giving me thosejust goose bumps and chills and all the good ways. And I want to go back andread it again. I mean it really is. Um it's just so magical. But before wedive into the rest of your book for all of you watching out there we have aquestion for you, we would like to know...

...what was your favorite fairy tale as achild and why? So you can put your answer in the comments on eitherfacebook or youtube. If you're watching us live tonight and we will pick arandom winner and announce it in the after show. You will win this gorgeouscustom made candle called through the wardrobe by the paris market inSavannah. Oh my gosh! We're drove into Narnia. Oh, that's beautiful. Iabsolutely love it. Did it, what did it smell like you guys? I haven't, I knowyou were just, oh my gosh, great. Oh my gosh! It smells like a magical woodland.I'm not kidding. It's like I win. If I put it in the comments fall holidaycandle you've ever smelled. We loved it in the car last night. We had them inthe car after he came back from our savannah event. And this morning whenwe got in the car, the car smelled like a spell it, a car. You know, it's likeold cigarette smoke. It is pine amber and sugar plum. Oh my gosh, that soundsamazing. Well that would be such a great prize. And all you have to do towin is just tell us your favorite fairy tale and why And for anyone who ordersonce upon a wardrobe from Warwick's tonight, that's our bookseller of thenight or bookseller of the month, you will be sent a beautiful woodenbookmark. So if you think about it, we can all be winners each and every oneof us. I do hope you'll pick up the book which would make a great holidaygift to. So even if you have it for yourself um you know the book plus thatbookmark would be a beautiful thing to give to somebody for the holidays thisyear. All right. So now without further ado let's get started patty, you werein the hot seat of my little slay operation Central. I'm ready. I'm notscared over here. I'm not scared, scared. I know they want to find awardrobe. It's about a lot of things. But at its court starts with thequestion where do stories come from? I don't even have to look at my notes toknow that that yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um So can you tell us what the origins werefor your story three? It is interesting to talk about theorigins of my story when my story is about the origins of another story.It's very uh you know anyone who watches Friends and fiction knows thatI am consistently fascinated about the origins of stories about the first seatof a story. Where do stories come from? Where do they begin? And then how dothey turn into what they turn into? And when I was writing becoming mrs Lewiswhich is about the improbable love story of C. S. Lewis and his fiery,courageous, fascinating, complicated wife, Joy David Hman. I saw all theselittle nuggets of his life inside my favorite childhood book and I startedto think about how so much of our lives as authors and maybe one day it wouldbe a fascinating episode to talk about what parts of our lives have shown upin novels because sometimes people see things we don't like, oh that episodeor the way you think about that and they see it and we don't. And Iwondered how much of what of his life that ended up in this book that hasendured for generations? If he how much was conscious and how much it wasunconscious, how much is conscious or unconscious for him and how much isconscious or unconscious for us and then the magical part, how no matterhow many things we can point to, there is this large swath of story sourcethat is completely ineffable, completely unexplainable and completelymystical. And that was the origin for this story. Was my wondering about howthese stories come to be and how much of our life isn't it, and how much ofpure ineffable magic is in them. Wow! Well I also think you know thereare people who might see this book and think oh I have to go back and readonce uh language in the wardrobe or I don't know enough about C. S. Lewis. Sodo you have to have any kind of background knowledge and C. S. Lewis toread this. Absolutely not the best way I can compare it to is that the lionthe witch and the wardrobe is a vehicle for the story. So it doesn't matterwhat vehicle we use. It is a story about story, it is a story about how wetell stories especially the ones that endure. I am constantly fascinated byMiss because they're the ones that stick with us and kind of define how welook at life and this is one of those because even if you've never read thelion the witch and the wardrobe, you know who Azlan is and you know who thewhite witches because they're archetypes and I was interested in that.So you absolutely need to have zero...

...knowledge of the Lion the witch and thewardrobe. Read it. You should go read. Yes um becoming mrs Lewis. Ohabsolutely were companions. Absolutely. You know I I will second that about I Ihave not read C. S. Lewis since I was a kid. I have not read read the languagein the wardrobe since I was a kid. I really don't have any memory of it andthat did not in any way impact how much I enjoyed this book. I thought it wasbeautiful and the story was really you know the story was the story of ofGeorge and and Meg's right I mean at the heart it was their story Thebrother and the sister. Um and and then the C. S. Lewis of it all was almost umjust this extra element that kind of brings them closer and brings magicinto their lives. I felt like it was you know when you read like historicalfiction and then you go back like you read surviving savannah and you go backand you're like I want to research more about this shit. I feel like you readonce upon a wardrobe and you're like oh I'm going to go back and read the linewhich in the wardrobe is like supplementary reading material. That'sa good point. Okay patty, we ask Alice what is magic to you and she has to bethe mistress of magic. Contemporary magic. So the allure of the words Onceupon a Time were fairy tales for magic realism which of those were importantto you or we're both of them important to you as a child. I was uh like all ofus here we were all bookworms, right? Like it's the way I understood life.Life when life wasn't making any sense. A book made sense when life wasconfusing. A book worked out in the end, Laura ingalls Wilder found her way outof the blizzard and you know the world nancy drew found the clue in the clockand always. Well meg came down out of the attic to see her sisters and always.Well so those are the things that end up coming full circle in a story whenthey weren't coming full circle in my life. But reading some of the moremagical tales like the Lion and the Witch and the wardrobe. It wasn't justabout finding places of magic and enchantment, it was about returningwith a feeling that there was more to the world than we can see. And I wantedto do that in a book I wrote, I wanted you to leave the book thinking there ismore than I can see that I can look at the ordinary and see the extraordinarythat I can emerge from a land of fairy tale and understand that just what Isee isn't all that there is awesome. Um you know, actually, let meremind all of you out there. If you're watching, I do think we might have acouple minutes to ask patty live questions tonight. So, you have aquestion for patty. Um if you want to put it in, we would love to ask it.We'll hopefully get to a couple of those. Well wait, I want to ask one ofthe live ones right now because it's cracking me up. Yeah, he wants to knowif anyone else is curious to know what that woman curled up in the backgroundis breathing how these incredible authors there can be so unbalanced. ButI didn't even, we didn't even know she was back there. We don't know who sheis. She I but she's cooking dinner for us. So we were not here is my belovedsister in law serena and I don't think she knew that she was on camera. I butshe's back there reading what kind of wardrobe. So I am dying laughinghilarious. She's like the best advertisement for your book. She's likeso immersed in the story. She doesn't even know there's a show going onthat's a problem. You know Patty, We had asked Alice a little bit aboutwriting truth to herself when she's writing a book. And I was wonderingwere you learning anything or writing yourself a message as you were writingOnce upon a wardrobe? Oh wow. Um I think that I was writing about how Iwas writing it during the pandemic. So during the pandemic, my graduate schoolson came home, my college son came home and my husband came home and I think Iwas really trying to find a way to see the extraordinary in what was thismadly burning world around me. Um Are you sure you weren't just trying toescape? I was also trying to escape. He...

...was telling out I was I was I wastapped out and I would take my computer and I would go down to the river and Iwould you know walk into this world with George and Meg's and Lewis and hisbrother Warney and Oxford which I really wanted to go back to andcouldn't. And so it was my way of returning to a land that I wanted toreturn to. Um But there is a fantastic essay by J. R. R. Tolkien called onfairy tales. And one of the things he writes is that they are the consolationof a happy ending. And I wanted to have that for us. I love that patty while you were doingall this noise. Which was there something surprising you learned whilelooking at the origins of Narnia? There were when I started doing the researchabout his life because I picked what I saw as the seven most influentialmoments in his life that show up in the Lion the Witch and the wardrobe. Andwhen I was doing that research I didn't want to tell you what those were. Ididn't want to have an appendix or list and say he did this and it meant that Iwanted you to feel it and see it. Um You know story is the way we feelsomething, facts are not the way we feel anything. And so if I'm going togive you a list of facts are in appendix about how things panned outbetween his life and the story that's not going to move you or me. And so Idecided that louis would tell these seven stories from his life. Meg wouldwrite them in a notebook and then meg would read them to her little brother and we would see those stories throughher little brother's eyes. So we see these moments in Lewis's life throughthe innocence and naivety and this liminal kind of liminal space that thisill boy is living in between what's now and what's next. So when louis is inthe attic writing and making up a magical land as a child with hisbrother in the corner of the little end room. He called it. We're with him whenhe is shipped off to a terrible boarding school. We are with him Whenhis mother dies at nine years old we are with him and then we can decide howmuch of that we see in a story. I love them And there are no no thereare no footnotes and there is not an appendix. No footnotes in fiction. No,no. But you know what's more magical than seeing story through the eyes of achild. I think that was exactly exactly the right way to tell it. What Yeah for me we have some livequestions and somebody says uh which ordered is patty thank should somebodyread the Chronicles of Narnia whatever order you want. I think it's a greatquestion Marianne because I can tell you that there is a never endingargument among the chronicle specialists. Some people think youshould start with the lion the witch and the wardrobe and others think youshould start with a I think it's number four in the series. That is actuallythe prequel and some people number them one through seven differently. But Isay read them in whatever order you want. Mm Good. Yeah I like that one.Okay, this is an amazing, amazing question. Robin Shelly wants to knowwhat most impressed you about? Jack Lewis, The man through your research.Oh wow. That's a great question. What most impressed me? His resilience? Ican say that his resilience. So we tend to put our most famous authors and ourmost favorite authors on a pedestal and we forget that they're human and thatthey've had broken moments in their life and that they have had, you know,darkness and light. We stay see this piece of work they did and we thinktheir genius, that's who they are. This is everything. And we forget that theyhave all these moments in their life where they're broken or heartbroken.And for me his resilience in coming through losing his mother at a youngage, being sent to boarding school, surviving World War One when hisclosest friend was killed right next to him. These are the things that hesurvived and not only did he survive...

...them, he took those moments and turnedthem into a magical land that we want to be in. He took all these ordinarymoments in his life and turned them into something extraordinary. And forthat I think is the thing I am most impressed about him. I know a lot ofother people would answer differently and they would say his genius or hiswritings, but for me it is how he was able to Malcolm eyes and take theseparts of his life and transform them for us? The great man? That's awesome.You know, Patty Laurie Alcon Brown is wondering, did you think about writingthis book when you were writing becoming mrs Lewis? Nope? When I was, Iwon't leave it there. When I was right, when I was writing becoming mrs Lewis,I did see some of these breadcrumbs and some of these nuggets and you know, Inoticed but I was onto another book. I was writing surviving Savannah. Sothese were not things that I was thinking I would ever turn intosomething else, but as our mary Kay andrews always says there are theladies in the attic and they are up, they're sending down signals and ideas.And this showed up and this little eight year old boy named George showedup, not literally in my imagination and I knew that I wanted to tell astory about imagination and the kind of clanging of imagination vs. Logic andhow do we explain the unexplainable. And so I didn't plan on it and I didn'tmean to and I spent two years on a completely Different book, you knowabout Savannah in 1838. So this wasn't in the works, this was bubbling in thebackground. I have like kind of a couple questions for you. Like rapidfire back to back this one you have to answer? So surely Carhart wants to know,Are you ladies ever going to come to the Northeast Manasquan, New JerseyBook Town. Yes, yes, definitely. Forever. Yes, that's where megalithsand we were definitely planning on doing that definitely. Absolutely. OnceCovid is gone, we are hitting the road and carry. Sudirman wants to noticePatti have a wardrobe in her home. Oh my gosh, that's a great. Great question.I don't. Um but no, we're all gonna have to chip in. I am. You know,somebody sent me this fantastic picture the other day Kerry and it was awardrobe that somebody had opened the doors and added a bench in it andpainted like a wintry scene in the background And it was a reading nookfor a kid and I had like a little lantern light And I am going to I'mgoing to go junking with mary Kay andrews and I'm going to find awardrobe and I'm going to turn it into a reading nook for a child. What aboutthe wardrobe that I posted on instagram. I loved that wardrobe. Will you go getit for me? It's actually my linen closet. I was gonna put I have a fullrental storage that has a really do have, you can have it, you can feed theinside and well that's great. And once you make it into a reading nook. Yoursister in law can read in their next time. I mean, you know. All right wait. Alright, everyone,please stick around because we have some surprises Plus the giveaway of theparis market candle coming up on our after show. But first we wanted toremind all of you out there to check out our friends and fiction writer'sblock podcasts will always post the links under announcements each time anew one goes out, it's a lot of fun and it's totally different from this show.So if you like hanging out with us here, um we know you will love being therewith us too. So it's every friday. And this past week Ron talked to SariFeldman about library rock stars. And this week Ron we'll talk to Patty andto Christie about the inspiration behind their new novels and make sure to join the friends andfiction. I'm not in the screen official Book Club, which is number from us andrun by our friends lisa Harrison and Brenda Gardner on monday october 25ththey're going to be talking to paige Crutcher about her new novel, Theorphan, which just out and I'll be joining them the day before that. Onoctober 24th. Talk about christmas and Peachtree Bluff, which comes out in sixdays days. All of us also have an event together that day at Oxford exchange sowe might have some surprise. Pop it. So I can't I can't get I don't know whattheir schedules are going to be but it's possible. So, you might want tostick around then. She we didn't ask.

She didn't ask us by doing it anyway. Ididn't like it. I can't say they're coming and then not show up. Right? Butdon't forget you can get all three, everyone. Winter releases the santasuit patties once upon a wardrobe and my christmas and Peachtree blah fromOxford exchange. You can also add on christians Beautiful the forestdiminishing stars as an option. And I have to remind you to subscribe to bothour newsletter and our Youtube channel so that you have access to all of ourpast episodes and you never miss a thing. Like when facebook goes down.Yeah, I don't think that don't be a victim. That makes me seize up. Also,if you're driving distance of florida, come see us this weekend road trip,road trip with we're gonna have roadies. I think we must obviously okay onsaturday, all four of us will be in my hometown. ST Pete Holla were that I was being trainee. I mean, uh 20 being age tank. Ageism is real. Talk tothem. I I that's being aged. Oh sorry. We won't do it again. Ron, Ron is nickhashtag love talk. You guys are all drinking the champagne. Hashtag bothtalk Oh my goodness saturday. All of us will be in ST Pete at tom below books.On sunday will be in Tampa at the Oxford exchange on monday. We'll bedoing events in punta Gorda and Sanibel. You can find the info on any of ourwebsites under events and that is on the interwebs. For those of you. Yourweb. That's not real. Huh? All right, no,true. My gosh. Uh speaking of events next week, join us right here at seveneastern as we welcome. No, I am not even gonna tell you there were to behere next Wednesday because now I've been shamed. But richard paul Evanswill help us to talk about my she's getting ignored. I said she startedalright, my favorite. Okay, we'll celebrate Richard paul Evans book andthe launch of Christie's christmas and extreme Bluff, which I did blurb. Andif you, I mean I've learned your book, how can you shoot me? You're everwondering about our schedule. It is all this is available on friends andfiction website and wait, stop scrolling. I can't see me. You can alsosee our fall schedule on our facebook banner on the Interweb way is rollingaround. I thought I had it but clearly I'm not a responsible slave driver.Alright. To all of you out there. We encourage you to grab Alice's books formore weeks this week and of course Patties beautiful new book too. And Iwould also encourage you to order the santa suit and christmas impeachmentyou brought bluff which is coming out in just six days. Were so excited tocelebrate that there is magic in the air. There's veuve in the tummies of myfriends. I clearly clearly had a campaign. Exactly. Look, join us. Yeah,backgrounds. Clearly you're not going to want to miss this after show. Sothere is magic in the air and lucky you because all you have to do is orderthese clothes and you too can have magic in the palms of your hands injust a matter of days. So don't forget to stay for after show. We have arepoppin meg and some other guests coming and come back next week. Same time,same place as we welcome Richard paul Evans to celebrate Christie's petechristmas in Peachtree please celebrating you celebrate as we, as wewelcome Richard paul Evans to celebrate Christie's christmas and PeachtreeBluff. I am so grateful to all of you for tuning in and I'm so glad we got totalk to Alice and talk a bit about Once...

...upon a wardrobe and I hope you love itAnd that you feel the same way I did while I was writing it about the truemagic behind one of the 20th century's there. So disrespectful. Most belovedfairy tales. I will see you in a minute at the after show. Oh my gosh, y'all that was moving Andthat was so much fun. That was so much fun when I am being told No, but howthat was her. I said well and patty said, what was that? I was here for theholiday. I was all about it all about it. Oh my God you can say that on a O.L. Instant messenger I and that's you're shaming me for being a A. O. L.Still. I know you. That's true. I'm ending this Stop with the Holla. Thatwas so much fun. And Alice Hoffman was amazing the way she can talk aboutmagic and realism. And and in the past, she's just, I'm so impressed with her.And she didn't even flinch when we asked how she went back and forth. Shewrites historical fiction about real people. Then she writes magic. Then shewrites screenplays and she's like, yeah, whatever. Like I can do all of You know,who else? Yes. You know who else is Megan bag bag.You know, who else is amazing, serena. All right, you take back control of myfriends. Do you want to tell us who won your beautiful candle? Yes, meg pickedrandomly. I just have to say, Someone just said, this is funny. Champagnehitting. We haven't there are four of us. We barely dented a bottle ofchampagne together and we're like tickled. Like we're so happy to betogether. That only being drinking, but only hollaback girls. That hollabackhollaback girl. Okay, the winner is carry Suderman. And she has said, Kerry.Sudirman, congratulations. She said my favorite fairy tale as a child wasSleeping Beauty because I love Flora fauna and Merryweather. Gosh. I forgottheir names. That's beautiful. The three Fairy Godmothers. I pretendedthey were my godmother's to carry. Well um direct messages and I will get thatcandle in the mail to you. It smells glorious. Is made of pine and sugar,plum and amber. It smells like marijuana and Merryweather, flora,fauna and Merryweather. It smells like an elder tears, elves, tears and theysell them in paris market if you all want some. But it looks like you had agreat event there last night. Yeah, it was a product. It was just absolutely over the top.Like you should have seen how it's decorated and it was the bestcelebration of her you can imagine. And don't forget we have champagne. Tooshocking. So shocking, shockingly. We have champagne. So don't we havealready for more weeks tonight you will get one of the wooden bookmarks whichare also quite magical. Who's supposed to talk now? ChristieWoodson? I am. But I thought christian was trying to say something. Oh no, no,God, God, I was just telling you about the champagne I was bringing forsaturday, but that's okay. I guess we would like we would like to hear aboutthat high hollow about that. All I have thought about this week is like whatbottles of wine and what food I'm bringing? Like it's like taking over myentire head. I don't think that is yes, why we love you. That is why we love it.We're gonna need something more than you know, a protein bar. And I have abaggie in my car of them and I'm sick of all the flavors already and it'sonly day three, no protein just got it. Okay discussed, we've announced acandle winter and um, I wanted to remind you about our road trip, whichwe've already talked about a little bit. So it's mary cain mentioned, the fourof us will be together in florida this weekend. It's a part of our book tours.We're hitting the road to celebrate the santa suit Holla holla baby Hattie'sroad, which is out now in stores wherever books are sold and mychristmas and Peachtree blast which comes out next Tuesday and Kristen isjoining us as a moderator and obviously we'll have her books available alsowill be in Saint Pete Tampa punta Gorda and saying about, you can find theinformation on each of our individual websites as well as the friends offiction newsletter and website. Oh and um Sean is telling us that people areasking what is the paris market? The...

...paris market is this unbelievablymagical And we are over using the word but not compared to the store store indowntown savannah and they have a website, it's called Bruton street andit is called the paris market and you can find their website and they havejust the most amazing things. Okay, so you'll have the chance to see all of usin florida and just a few days and I can't wait. But right now we haveanother amazing opportunity to celebrate magic and friendship andthat's because our special guests tonight to pop in right now are megwalker and lisa Harrison and Brenda Gartner. Our dear friends who run thefan friends fiction club as well as our beloved rockstar, librarian Ron blockwho helms are extraordinary podcast and I need to keep out right guys, cheersto you daddy lunch holiday, you mary Kay, holla holla holla, I say holla allthe time. It's like my favorite word. So you are so don't. Yeah, good. Oh myGod is the only rooster in the Henhouse. He's easy to spot. Oh y'all are amazing.Oh yeah, while celebrating friendship, Sean, can you pop onto Sean? We wantyou to join us. The whole gang is here, this is the entire team, y'all. This isthe magic happening in these little squares. Okay, we love you all so muchand our viewers don't often get to see you. Have they ever seen Sean? Yes, I do. Okay. Facebook friend requestthat week. That was a good week for me. Thank you. Okay, like where they'vebeen hatin! Did you write a song for me for once. A kind of work that way. Ohno, no, that's okay. You just let us know when you're ready. Okay. You knowhow well, all of us, we all have such lovely voices. So we all have storiesthat stick in our consciousness, our stories that just stick with us ingeneral and rise up when things are tough for whatever is going on. And ofcourse mine is the lion, the witch and the wardrobe. But what is one thaty'all love? I'd love to hear if there's a story that worked some magic in yourlife. So, I'm going to start with you Ron. Well, it's a good follow up toAlison that she kind of brought out that some of the darker stories can beso special. And for me, it was early when I was really young. I heard thelittle Match Girl. I love that one. Right, Right. And when my kids wereborn, as they, you know, reading stories of them at the holidays, Iwould read it to them and I would be crying and they'd be looking at me likeI'm a crazy person. But it was a great story to teach about like looking at umthe joys in life and um and build empathy in yourself for others and nottake things at face value. So, for me, it's just always stayed with me and nowthey read it to their Children. So Ron I've always loved that story. But themessage I got, it's so great how when you read a fairy tale, everybody getssomething different. The match girl for me was about not wasting your fire.Like not wasting your creative energy. That was deep. That's what I got out ofit. All right, my friend lisa, what was yours? Tell me a story that worked somemagic in your life for me. I loved cancel and Gretel because when I wasyounger I thought it was cool that the kids, you know the moral is you knowobey your parents, don't talk to strangers. That could be weird, creepywitches. And for me I loved that the kids outsmarted the witch and I waslike yeah you can listen to your parents but you could still be smarterthan your parents for me as a kid. That was like eye opening. And then I thinkthat opened up things for me because I started to like witches and lookinginto like magical things. So I loved Hansel and Gretel growing up. That's myfavorite. I just I love hearing somebody else's view of a tail. Wethink we all know. All right, Our friend Brenda, I want to hear yourfavorite story that works some magic in...

...your life. Well, I'm going a little bitolder from the really young fairy tales and this is not so much a fairy tale,but the secret garden just meant so much to me and I don't know if it wasthe shriveled up old garden that was hidden and and nobody knew about thatcame to life or if it was about Colin who was this, you know the sickly childwho you know blossom like the garden once he started working and and it'sfunny because I just thought about it just now. The the empathy I felt forColin is a lot like George and once upon a wardrobe. So um it just was apowerful story to me about friendship and about transformation and that juststuck with me. There are definitely, I I feel like there's some good parallelsthere to Really. Yeah. But yeah, I really do. I got those like sort ofvibe like in the best way, like you get that feeling that you felt. Yeah,that's a huge compliment. All right. How about um Kay, Well you know I'm achild of 50s and 60s. So my representation of so many classic fairytales where the Disney versions which were cleaned up and fantasized and uhtechnicolor. Um but another Disney movie um version which was the SwissSwiss Family Robinson. So my first book, that was my very own, I was the secondof five kids. Five kids born in seven years. Everybody shared everything. Butmy first book that I owned was given to me as a christmas gift. And it was oneof those big large format little golden books and it was a swiss familyRobinson and I think that probably started my love of making a home andmaking the best of a bad situation and then of course I saw the movie at thedrive in theater in ST Pete I think kurt russell was dad. No, no, he was akid honey. I'm old that we know that. Yeah. Yes, exactly. No, I love, I lovethe idea of they salvaged all the stuff from the shipwreck and they made thishappy home. And of course it's not at all. In the original um Swiss FamilyRobinson, which is a very deep in real life swiss family Robinson was writtenby a swiss pastor who wanted to more allies, but in the Disney movie, youknow, they're out riding an ostrich on a south seas desert island, which is alittle unlikely, but nothing about that. I, you know from that the time Iwatched that movie and read my little golden book, I was always like makinghouses and making forts and trying to figure out how to capture an ostrichimported to ride. What would help you next week to help people, you know, Ep, we'll look for someoptions. That would be awesome. Just sad. All right. How about you kristen?But it's a story that has worked magic in your life. You know, I was thinkingabout this and I was not a big fairytale reader when I was a kid. Iwatched the Disney movies. You know, I mean, I grew up in florida, I grew upall things Disney. Um but you know what? I went really resonated with me as akid. I was obsessed when I was a young teenager with john f Kennedy. And whatis the story of john f Kennedy. If not, it will be a life campaign. Right? Imean, Camelot is such a fairy tale, including the Darkness that we talkedabout. Right? I mean it's the it's that sense of kings and queens and royalty,right? It's the dark, it's the light, it's the triumph. It's the tragedy.It's just all of these things that sort of teach us something and make us feelsomething. And the more I thought about that, the more I was thinking, you know, fairy tales reflect life andlife can reflect fairy tales. And I think we see that, I think we see thatin Once Upon a wardrobe, you're telling the story behind the story. But theactual telling of that story is this beautiful magical fairy tales. Sothey're trying to discover the magic, but the magic is there, the magic is inthem. And I think, I don't know that just occurred to me as I was thinkingabout Kennedy earlier at the Kennedy Kennedy's you bring in a full circle,wow, that gave me kind of chill bumps. All right, Christine. How about you? Sothis was not what I was going to say.

But as I was sitting here, I rememberas a child loving puss in Boots and I don't know why, like, I don't rememberthe story, I remember anything, so I can't wait to go read it because it wasmy favorite child. So now I want to go back and read it. But this is not likea fairy tale per se, but I've probably said this on the show before, but Iloved Matilda and uh like he is able to channel her goodness and turn it intotrue magic to fight people who were evil and going back to once upon awardrobe. I mean when we think about you know George and how he sort offinding his own personal Narnia or at least to me, he was like, that struckme from the beginning um Matilda is finding her Narnia like in the end, youknow, it really is a good comparison, but there's nothing told him with thesehuge imaginations that channel their imagination to create the world thatthey want for themselves. Stories affected so much a all right, well Ilike Kristen, I think I wasn't a big fairytale kid and I did, I was not areal girly girl, I didn't like the princess stories that speak to me, butI was and I don't think this is really what people think of as a fairy tale,but um as a huge christmas night I was born on christmas day, so she's ourchristmas elf with reindeer. Gosh, I love it because to me the ultimate antibullying story and yeah, amongst the everybody has something to contributeand if we all just recognize a little bit of goodness into each other, likeum we're going to get the sleigh moving and we're gonna get the job done? Ohyeah. Oh my gosh, so we got that. Love it. Alright sean we're gonna make youtalk instead of singing, Wait to hear shine. I know, you know, I was justthinking about everyone that you guys mentioned, you know, I'm a father oftwo young kids so I get to relive you know, childhood and all. I'm trying tocheck all the boxes and even like Wizard of Oz, we haven't done you know,but we're doing the Disney ones, we've done that, but I just don't know whatcategorizes anymore as fairy tales and you know, I think about all the moviesthat really impacted me. I'm sorry. I know it should be booked, but I thinkabout 18 Spielberg fairy tale. Yeah, that's a great one. Oh my gosh. I meanbecause like I say about the lion, the witch and the wardrobe, even if you'venever read it, you know who as one is, you know who the white witches, even ifyou've never seen E. T. You know, I love that. Oh do that again. All right. We'regoing to ask the girl on the couch what was your favorite I Yeah, she's in now. Mhm. We made her frees up.She's the biggest reader I've ever met in my life. She's our best reader. Allright. Yeah, sorry about that, Ron do you want to take a turn and ask patty aquestion. Well I do. But you have another sip of who first. Alright.Whatever. Uh boom talk talk. Okay, so I've kind of asked you this podcast isnot going to talk with, you know, that could be a special holiday editionholidays. Okay, it's over. Sure. I have my shirt. I'm gonna send it today.Holiday holidays. I love it. I have to sample everything. Okay. Okay, so I'veasked you this a little bit before, but one of the things that you reallyhaven't talked about tonight is whether it's the stories that Meg is telling,Meg's telling George or the stories that um that Lewis was telling the megs,you have sprinkled magic over every part of this book and part of thatcomes down into the setting. Whether it's Meg sitting on the rock and or thesnow falling or the travels that they make, it's an element in everything.And how do you make that work? Oh, that is such a lovely compliment and I, Isort of mentioned this before that I was writing it during the lockdown andI wanted to live in that world, a world where Meg's would sit in a snowy forestand a stump covered in snow would look...

...like an elf or she would be able to seethe medieval castle that inspired care parable and that she would have to havean adventure to do things like that. So I was taking myself on the adventuresthat I wanted them to go on and I wanted it to feel like there was somemagic. I wanted them to feel like they were taking the parts of his life andthey were seeing it through new eyes. So thanks. Oh no, that's so true. Sotrue. And so magical and congrats on the book. Thanks. Okay. We've gone wayover our time limit and we have had a hollaback time. I am. I will never everlive this down. I can't say as long as we're moving away from patty and thesound effects were in good shape. I know you did. So I should have beensome way my gosh, y'all are amazing. Thank you so much for joining us forAlice Hoffman and for a launch of Once upon a wardrobe and for magic and forbooks And don't forget to as mary care says, buy our books, dammit! You put onmy screw pants. Yes, I would like that. And we'll put on some Olivia newton,john I good night everyone everybody. Good night. Thank you fortuning in. You can join us every week on facebook or Youtube where our liveshow airs on Wednesday nights at seven p.m. Eastern time. Also subscribe toour podcast and follow us on instagram. We're so glad you're here.

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