Friends & Fiction
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Friends and Fiction with Andie MacDowell & Todd Komarnicki

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The Fab Five sit down with Golden Globe award winning actress Andie MacDowell and writer/producer Tood Komarnicki to discuss adapting stories for the big and small screen.

Welcome to friends and fiction. Five best selling authors Endless Stories, Friends and Fiction is a podcast with five bestselling novelist whose common love of reading, writing an independent bookstores found them together with jets, author interviews and fascinating insider talk about publishing and writing. Thes friends discuss the books they've written, the books they're reading now and the art of storytelling. If you love books and you're curious about the writing world, you're in the right place. Bestselling novelist Mary Kay Andrews, Christine Harmel, Christie Woodson, Harvey Patty Callahan, Henry and Mary Alice Munro are five longtime friends with more than 80 published books. To their credit. Yeah, at the Start of the Pandemic, they got together for a virtual happy hour to talk about their books, their favorite bookstores writing, reading and publishing in this new uncharted territory. They're still talking, and they've added fascinating discussions with other bestselling novelists, so join them live on their friends and fiction Facebook Group page every Wednesday at 7 p.m. Eastern, or listen and view later at your leisure. Welcome. And then cool tonight a, um, author, we're so fortunate to be introducing you to two outstanding guests who have had great success bringing books to the screen. We're so excited tonight to introduce the beloved actor and producer Andie MacDowell and the renowned producer and writer Todd Comer. Nikki Under Reminder This will be an extended 75 minute program. So don't leave early while you're miss some of the very best parts. But first, we have another big treat in store for you. Our beloved are darling Patty Callahan. Henry has a big announcement. Will you share with this Patty? The exciting news of your brand sparkling new audio book E a R. Oh, sorry. Mhm A good. All right. I'm Mary Alice Munro. And I'm Mary Kay Andrews. I'm Christine Harmel and I'm Christie. What's in Harvey E? A wonderful book was so excited. Thistles. The introduction, everybody, this is a reveal. So this is the owner of the nurse. You know that it's 22 money and it should be with your nurse. Not other reason. They think not because of the pandemic, but because it's born 1900. So as we know, Yeah. So e. Like my sound working? Yeah, it's a little It's a little off, which is weird. Tell me, um so you're a smile. You guys hear me now? Yeah, actually, Little. Okay, So as you know, I was once a pediatric nurse, and, of course, Florence Nightingale was our muse and our example. So finally I wrote a novella about her wild and fascinating life before she called, was called The Lady With the Lamp before what she calls the fuzz buzz about her took over. I explored a young Florence and I asked, Can the daughter of a prominent English family defy Victorian societal and family expectations to fulfill a destiny and how the novella is called Wild Swan, and it comes out tomorrow as an audible original. I love the cover. It is standing in front of her family estate holding a book. If you aren't familiar with audible original, they are original audio books put out only by Audible, and I am so glad to be part of this program. And the narrator, Y'all is something special. Her name is Cynthia Erivo, and she is a Tony Award winning actor who has starred in The Color Purple and she was Harriet and Harriet Tubman, and she gives life to Florence Nightingale in a way I couldn't have imagined when I wrote it, Sean Yuan, give us an example. The carriage came toe Ah, halt! At the stone castles entrance way where two guards stood waiting in full crimson uniforms for me...

Way Love that voice way out tomorrow, even about audible page Right now you won't find it because it drops at midnight tonight. But I will post it on the friends and Fiction page And tomorrow you can Finally, here the novella called Wild Salmon Now onto our incredible Yes! Well, thank you, Patty. And everyone knows how much I love audio audio books. So I'm going to be first in line tomorrow to get my audible original Wild Swan. I can't wait. Well, now for what we're waiting for. I am so personally thrilled tonight to introduce not only against who really needs no introduction, but a woman. I'm lucky to call friend Andie MacDowell. Andy is the critically acclaimed award winning actress off film and television she reached started in memorable roles, including green card, Michael Groundhog Day and my favorite for Weddings and a Funeral. Is it raining? I had noticed it does always for independent films and has started several, including her breakout Sex, Lies and Videotape in 2012, and he moved into television well ahead of the curb. Starting in Jane by design on the popular Seeder Coast Series based on books by Debbie Macomber In 2018, My Life changed when Andy produced and starred in the Hallmark Hall of Fame production off my novel The Beach House, and he is a fellow South Carolinian born in Peach Town, Gaffney and was raised nearby. He went to New York City, all on her own. She just packed up and went, and she signed with elite modeling. She was a supermodel who grazed all the major magazines, and she has been a spokeswoman for Loreal since 1986. Her natural beauty, inside and out, has convinced us all. Yes, she is worth it on television. Sunday, December 13 Dashing in December So welcome, Andie MacDowell e. Love your hair so great. I know this was a great slide. Loreal. We had a big release. I'm sorry. With the gray, it's a big relief Loreal a break. Yeah. Oh, yeah, sure they did. I mean, I did it during Covic because my roots started going growing out. It's something I've always wanted to experience. I just thought it would be fun to, you know, to see, um it's salt and pepper. And it's not gonna be salt pepper forever. So I really you know, you know how that Thanks. I'm really enjoying it. And it's panned out really well, I You know, I had to do something for dashing in December because I couldn't go with half roots, which is what I had on e convinced everybody know that. Yeah. So I talked to everybody into it, and it's really working out Well, because the job that I'm doing now, they're really happy with it. It zeiss toe look different. You know, I've been the same for such a long time, and I don't really see it as e. I see it as being like a man who embraces hit the time of his life. Yeah, So I like Thio say I'm like George Clooney s. I think that's the way I'm very proud. And I'm go, girl, I think I'm looking at a good Yeah, beautiful. Both Patty and I have personal stories to share about our guest tonight, So I get to start I met, and by chance of the airport one night. Remember? It was 11 o'clock, and it was We're all tired. And it was the It was the Atlanta to Charleston puddle jumper and I stood on the jetway and you stood next to me, remember? And I was like, Okay, she stood next to me. Okay, Universe. So I introduced myself, and I said, Very nervous. I want to thank you because you were the inspiration for a heroine of my novel, and you could have ignored me, But you are typically very kind. And you said what was the name of that book? And I answered the beach house. And so you wrote it down. And you said, I'm gonna read that book. And so my new case came up. I grabbed it and I said goodbye. I played fair, and I left. I wanted to talk for an hour, but I left. And as I walked out of the airport, I walked by in the old Charleston airport. There was a bookstore with a glass window and there was a poster of my new book and my backlist on I went Thank you, God. Because I knew and you're gonna walk by it So you did. Yeah, I did. And I saw you know, this great big poster e...

...sitting your name in the book. And I was like, Wow, that's cool Shit, You know? I mean, this looks legitimate s e I read it and I really loved it. You know, I loved I loved everything about it. And I love you know, I love great Southern stories. And Onda, um, you know, really followed through and made it happen. We did. We made it happen. And I'll always be in your debt for making such a beautiful film. All right, we'll have a lot more questions for you. And now, Patty, how about introducing Todd? Sure. Todd Calmer. Nikki is a New York based prolific writer and a producer and a friend of film and television as well as an acclaimed novelist. If it is something that needs to be written, he writes it a press. The president and founder of the production and management company called Guy Walks into a bar which might be the best name for a production company ever calmer. Nikki and Guy walks into a bar partner. John Berg produced the Christmas blockbuster elf. He also wrote and directed a movie adaptation of one of my favorite novelist books, Resistance by Anita Shreve. His screenplays include Sully, directed by Clint Eastwood. He has written Perfect Stranger, starring Bruce Willis and Halle Berry, and The Professor and the Madman, which is set for release or has released and start Mel Gibson and Sean Penn. He wrote the screenplay for God's Spy. The True Story of pastor turned spy Dietrich von Hofer. He is also working on The Greatest Gift, which is the true story behind the film classic. It's a wonderful life, a bunch of other things on here, but we're going to skip right ahead. In television, he has written plot pilots for ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, TNT and anything with three letters. He has Gooding tm tm Yeah, He lived in New York City with his wife, Jane, and their daughter, Remi, and their son, Daschle. Welcome Todd S. E. So much of your bio because it would take up most of our time to talk about. There are novels and a play in any way. I'm so thrilled to have you sitting here talking to us about movies and screenplays and life because honestly, writing in life so mingled together right now that the more we learn about one, the more we learn about the other. And Todd, I think it's really interesting to tell the listeners that we knew each other as Children. We grew up together in Philadelphia and went to the same church. And then we didn't see each other for over 30 years until I wrote becoming Mrs Lewis and we both on separate cast shows, a first career Todd in baseball and meaning and pediatric nursing. And then we both started writing separately, discovering the power of story until our paths converged again. So I'm glad you're here. My friends. Welcome. We're so glad you're here. I'm such a lucky boy to be among such amazing women like that with me in the back door. I was joking before I want to go. I know him s Oh, great. Well, tis the season. So let me ask Andy and Todd. What are your holiday plans? Andy, what are you doing this Christmas? Well, we were going to go to Montana, but it just seemed so complicated. And so now we just decided we're going to go to Los Angeles And I'm hoping my son and his beautiful new girlfriend is gonna join us and have a dinner and be together. That's kind of a good, you know, Keep it simple. And your girls air coming. Definitely. Your whole crew. Yeah, the whole crew. So you are getting together. I'm glad. That's yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna be super cautious. Flying home, actually. Have this plastic this great big piece of plastic and I wear the piece of plastic over May on the flight. I really don't care what people think. Good for you. E u e really look like an idiot. I'll send you a picture. Married out e just don't care. Actually put it nowhere to get one. It came off of my massage table and I put it opening and Joe consented to people and said, I'm thinking about using this and I thought, Hell, I'm gonna dio look like a complete fruitcake, but I feel safer, so I don't know if you don't get sick. It's absolutely worth cares. E o. Also,...

...fruitcake is a big A like Andie MacDowell. Nobody. I saw some little boy was having a heyday laughing at me and one of the flights and I was like, Oh, well, made him happy. But he was like losing it with his father with this this'll fruit plate Mother over here, woman in here with this big black e Just a little sign up at this Merry Christmas And that'll be Oh, so, Todd, were you gonna be for Christmas? Our focus is pretty much to keep Santa on his toes until Christmas Eve. Way have been fleeing this pandemic. We lived through New York City's locked down. Then we harmful down to South Carolina to see Patty in June and lit South Carolina on fire. This'll unmasked country now. Now all these states that nobody wore masks and we drove across. Everybody's wearing masks coming coming from New York because we knew what was headed their way. Really heartbreaking, because you can't explained everybody. What's happening? They don't believe it until it's real for them. And they looked at us and and my wife and I with our two kids like we were lunatics for having masks on on DNA. Now it's we've been in Los Angeles. We came out for my sister in law's wedding in the summer, and they asked us to stay. God bless him. So we've been surfing the pandemic and our kids have become, You know, Shaka brah hang loose kids, and it's been fantastic. But now L A is shut down. The last 10 days in Colorado tonight we're in Moab, Utah. Show out, out, out to all the more bites And I don't know where we're gonna be way just a darkness. We will slip into some place that has a chimney way Yeah, Wow, that's quite a story. I'm sure there's gonna be a screenplay coming out of that one. Everybody's life is a screenplay that well, before we get to ask questions, I am going to tell you all about the bookstore. As you all know, every week we highlighted Independent bookstore, and this week is the Little Boho Bookshop, located in New Jersey. We love this quaint store that is nestled in the community of Bayonne. Sandra the owner started her career in publishing buying Children's books, and it has remained a focus for her in her book store. So Sander is offering a 10% discount on all our books and no discount code required. It's a quick click way. That's hard to say fast, quick click way you buy your books and support a wonderful bookstore, especially in the holidays. The link is on our Facebook page, and the store has a designated friends and fiction page for easy access. So tis the season, and if you purchase one of our books from the Little Boho Bookshop, you'll get it autographed with our book plates. Oh, for what everyone has been waiting for. Let's talk to Andy and Todd. Patty, how about asking the first question? So, Todd, I know everyone wants to talk about health and sullying and books to film, and we will. But we have so many writers who come to our show and mayor need to hear your story because it is so inspiring. Tell us about your reasons for entering the writing field and a little bit how you ended up where you are now a star athlete and then a poetry class and then boom, tell us about that change and how that happens. Wow, the writing tip is gonna be 25 minutes long. I'm not writing tip time. I'm teasing. Listen, all I can say is that the great quote about how do you make God laugh is tell him your plans. There's there's no have a great line for anything in, as Shakespeare said, Loves true course is never a straight line. So the story of my love of my life and us having kids was impossibly circuitous, and it's the same way with with life and what my life has been. I had no interest in writing. I loved movies but have no interest in being a writer. I wasn't pursuing it at all, and I had completely squandered my college education and weak in college. And I was entering my senior year adrift, not knowing what I wanted to do or how to do it and knowing that I had learned anything. And both my sisters had gone to Wheaton, and I asked them independently, Is there a classes? Maybe there's one class At least I could have is a life raft experientially. So I don't leave with nothing. And both of them recommended...

...the same professor, a woman named Jill Baumgartner, extraordinary, extraordinary human being in a poet and a brilliant person. Anyway, Winter and I back in the day. I've told this story before. It never gets old I went there with my classic mullet haircut. It was It was a championship, mullet. It was It was a baseball players mullet. So it was sort of completely matted down in the front from my baseball had always being on. And then this long gag just looked like a former Wolverine. You know, like an animal that I killed. It was coming out the back of my neck and my only defense for it when my kids see the photos is that photo was rocking the exact hair back. Same time street crap. You know, I was just, you know, was following in cool Rock. But I went in there with the mullet and my my my hat in my hand And I said, Can I take a class from you Are not in English, Major. And is there any way you'd be kind enough? Thio E would be 100% off my books. A You don't have to go to a bookstore. Just, you know, the second later and, you know, it's on a little piece of my muller. Um, the, uh actually we're teaching was the 400 level class of advanced poetry writing. And she said to me that you you can't audit my class. I don't do that. If I put you in the class, I'm gonna grade you on the same level I have with all these students have been taken my classes before. And I knew that my grades were so poor it didn't matter. It was not going to get a bad poetry grade and not get a job in life. My prospects were dim enough. I took the class and I told Patti when we did podcast, the patchouli was heavy in the air. I refused to the smell of locker rooms, and instead you walk in and there's, you know, there's a beaded curtain that you have the oh, you know, the various er basis aromas coming all these layers and all these talented people. But I was not among that tribe. And so I sat to myself and I get my head down and I took what Jill said very seriously because of my sisters. And for the midterm, we had to write 10 poems as our exam. So villain l three verse haiku, a sonnet. And at the end of the midterm class, she handed back everybody's papers except for mine. And then she dismissed the class and she asked me to stay afterwards. And while I was sitting there running my hands through my mullet thinking do things I was thinking. Can you get in trouble in college? Is there Is there detention? Can she really told me in this classroom. E you have to sit here because I had spent most of my growing up here in the principal's office. So I thought, I'm old enough. I don't have to listen to this on. I wanted to get up and then I really thought my deeper fear, which was Can you write poetry so poorly that you could be kicked out of a class on? And when the door shot and I was the last one in the room, Doctor Baumgartner walked over to me and she laid down my my papers in front of me. The poems with cover page just had my name on it and circled ironically in red ink. Was the letter a That was that was my scarlet letter. That was the letter that would denote the rest of my life because Dr Baumgartner said to me, was if you want Thio. You could be good at this. Wow, what inspiration? We've had so many people talk about how they've been discouraged by teachers. So it's nice to hear how a teacher that's beautiful, that was the needle skipped moment and she shot me off into into writing. And I do want to connect to things, because this has to do with my dedication page of my first novel is that I dedicated it among other people, too. Dr. Jill Baumgartner minor of deeply hidden talent because what you saw in me was not at a professional grade, but she sniffed it out like looking for truffles. E. Thea. Other thing is that my my Uncle David, who I believe is listening, and he currently has a beautiful book out called Five Stars in the Window, which is a memoir, which I highly recommend. Beautiful. It's on Amazon, but he gave me the inspiration to write my first novel, and we were at Christmas time Big coma, Nikki family Reunion party that we had every year. He's putting on his coat in our foyer and in Radnor, Pennsylvania, and he just randomly says to me, Have you ever taken a legal pad and drawn a line right down the middle on and on the left hand side. Written a thought...

...as it came to you. But then when If there was any interruption to that thought at all, just move to the other side of the page the other side of the line, and right out that thought, get rid of it, get, you know, spew it out, don't try to connect them and then return to your original thought. Uh huh. And I said, Well, no, I haven't ever done that. It sort of sounds like a jazz novel, like leaving the melody to go Rift but always returned to the melody. And he said, Exactly. And six weeks later I started writing my first novel, which was ultimately called free, but which I called on every single page. I just wrote the word jazz, and that's the formula by which I wrote that book and it gave me permission to write that book. So again, a grown up with a new ability to sniff out inspiration and offering gift. Jill did it. Michael David did it. That's the kind of stuff that sets you free to actually go tell your story. Well, I'll tell you that. I think we just got our writing chip. Andi, you've chosen roles that have become iconic, and there is no guile in your characters. I think everyone you're when you're on the screen. It's just so authentic and you shine in romantic comedy. But you're also dig into tough rolls on those showcase your talents, such as Suzanne in the grieving widow in love after love. So my question is, what is your process? How do you connect with the character and is this Ah must for you that you make that connection when you decide whether or not to do the role? You know, I wish it was always like having all these offers and own Amy. Which one shall I dio? E wish that was my experience, but it really hasn't been my experience. I have had things come to me that I just did not want to participate in. And then I've had things come that were obviously gorgeous, and I couldn't believe they came to me. That's basically what's happened. Um, Andi, I think, you know, like after sex lies in before sex, lies and videotape, I really struggled. You know, it was a hard time. I didn't know if I was even gonna make it. Um, but after six early. I'm sorry. That was That was Yeah, it was relatively early. I was 30. So it wasn't that I wasn't that young. Um, but after that, everybody change that tune. As soon as you're in something that's successful, it makes a lot of money, and especially if it's critically acclaimed, everybody wants you. You know, it's just like that. And, um And so after that, I started getting some offers that were very similar to that character, which I didn't want to repeat. And then, you know, I've got some really fun roles, like even Hudson Hawk, which nobody talks about. But it was a lot of fun. And let's see, green card, you know, e really like love. That one was sure. What was it like to act with Geroge a hard Oh my goodness e. You know, he's loads of fun, his terrible reputation, but I've never seen any of that behavior. E have some inside stories. I could tell you E did another movie called Harrison's Flowers. Many years later, which is, you know, It's a good movie. It's not like a big commercial success. Um, but I'm proud of it. I think the work in it is good. Anyway, I was in Prague doing this movie, and Gerard was there working, I think on anyway, Musketeers I think he was there were going on the Musketeers. Yeah, and I had one of my good friends with me helping me take care of my daughter. And hey had gotten in touch with me and wanted to come over and cook for us. E so amazing eso he came over and cooked for us, and he bought, like, a case of wine. It was like his own for personal wine on, uh, finally, I don't know. Finally, around midnight, I told him I wasn't going to sleep with him, and that was kind of the end of the way. So funny, because we were all dancing and have a good time really drinking too much. And I finally just turned him in. Since your heart, I'm not going to sleep with you and immediately turn to my friend Ana. Adrien Brody was in that too. It was a great it was a great night. Really. not much of a partier, but that night, way, way and everything. I don't know how professional of this telling you that story, but wait their role. Like you say. I really, really wanted Thio. That's the question.

That's right. Um OK, so your time goes by, I think I think you know what? This is what I thought of when you asked that question. I think a lot of times when you're younger because it gets, you know, it dries up for women. A lot of times they talk about that, how it dries up because leading romantic roles are offer young people. It's very rare. You're not gonna find somebody who wants to very rare that you're going to see a romantic story about older people. They're just not interested, you know? But the great thing about getting older is you get juicy roles. That's Yeah, that's what happened. So Suzanne was I was shocked. I was like, I couldn't believe this young man wrote a story about an older woman having sex, you know? I mean, it's just like it was like, Wow, thank God you know, not only having sex but complex feelings about it was very complex. Yeah. And also, you know, so many things, like so many complex feelings. And she was, you know, the way she was written, she was beautiful. And they dressed me. They dressed me gorgeous. I was intelligent. I wasn't, um, em all I was, you know, a force to be reckoned with. Really interesting on. You know, I was relieved to get to play that character, and the character that I'm doing right now is absolutely fabulous. And I just couldn't believe I can't believe it's happening. I'm just having the time of my life. So that's that is the rewards of getting older is I think people stop thinking about how you look, which is convenient. I think my looks Actually my I lived off my looks in a way and they also got in the way. I think a little bit of it. I e yeah. I think that they were an asset and also sometimes held me back. I think people couldn't get beyond how I looked. All right. The same thing with my mother. The struggle Israel. You're talking about the mullet. They're very high fashion now. Actually, if they've come back, you know the biggest fight that my son and I had during Cove. It was because I made him get his mullet cut. And he was like, This is the perfect mullet. He was furious, and all the kids had them this summer. Like he was like, the whole thing. Yeah. Mullets air in. Oh, my God. Don't let him see this. Really e taking over the show. This is unbelievable. All right, Christie, I know you have a question here. Right there. Yes. S. So this is actually for both Andy and Todd. Warner Brothers, as you know, sent shockwaves through the film industry when it announced its entire slate of 2021 films will debut on one streaming service the same day they appear in movie theaters. And that includes the big blockbuster films. So it's obviously changes the Hollywood system. And what do you think this means for the future of movies and theaters? Todd, do you want to start with that one? Yeah. I'm gonna start with that one. This is a you handed me about 11 grenades with with about seven pins. E could defuse a number of them, but before you go off, I'm gonna leave it like this theme. Human desire to congregate, uh, need to recover what is on the other side of this vaccine and the return of Broadway. The return of live music. Press your music of rock and roll. All of these things are linked. Our leaders need help. Right now. The Biden administration gives some stimulus. Thio don't lose the real estate that houses these screens like anything. Competition makes things improve. We'll have less dumping former malls with 11 screens in 600 square feet to show on postage stamps. And we'll have Mawr elegant movie theaters to attack. But I think movies will come back. I think this is a moment Warner Brothers was purchased by A T and T. So this is not a Warner Brothers decision. This is a corporate decision that come in T, which is the phone carrier which sees the future sped up by the pandemic. E think their expectation was 15 or 20 years from now. Everybody was gonna be watching on their phones and their watches and on the inside of their eyelids and their Google glasses, I think that's what their expectation was, anyway, So they have permission to speed that up, and I think that's why they did it. Yeah, well, it's just it's...

...awful for the filmmakers who have made extraordinary big screen experiences that are being denied the right to show them in their original form. You know, if Sully were due to come out next year, I would do destroyed deeply painful thing for my for my colleagues. So I hate that. But I definitely think Aziz Muchas the press wants to say This is a defining moment. I'm going to stay. It's seasonal now, Andy, What do you think? I definitely think that there's nothing that's ever gonna replace the experience of going into a theater and watching it on a big screen with a group of people because you get that whole reaction from the audience and it za different. It's a completely different experience, and I went regularly before Cove it I you know, I go once a week to see a movie just because I love that experience. Um, a same time I have to say that television has improved and this is the problem. On top of everything else is that the quality of television has is vastly improved. So it is something that they're gonna have Thio reckon with. It's just the truth. I confined so many high quality made projects s so many high quality made projects and watch them on the television. So there is that they're gonna have to, you know, they're gonna have to continue to deal with that. And I don't know that it's a bad thing. I think it's also I think it's a good thing I know for myself. It gives me more opportunity and more places. I think for writers it it's it more inviting for everybody. It's more inviting, but you're never going to replace the experience of going to a theater and being with people and seeing it on and seeing it on the the big screen. It's just super, much more glamorous. Ah, lot of a lot more glamorous it. Maybe it'll be like what we're experiencing in the book world is going to be Oh, both. It's holding a book. Yeah, right. All right. I believe Patty, you have a question for both. So both of you have incredible demands on your time and you are acting you are producing. You are spokeswoman for Loreal. You have a busy family. And, Todd, your screenwriting you're releasing. You know, when you have a busy family life, how do each of you choose which project is worth your time and energy? The five of us air. Always talking about what? We want to do that. But we want to do that. But there are only so many hours and words. And today we'd love to know how you decide And if you want to go first. Oh, but Todd answers so well, let's let him go first, cause I might, you know, think of something while he's talking. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna make sure I get my Fanboy moment in here, so I'm gonna because you let me go first. Andy, I've wanted to make sure I got to say this in case we never got to speak again. You're so well known for all these iconic roles. But there's there's a role in a moment in this role that I believe for me had a major impact on the the ability for women to speak into culture and change the conversation and take the reins back. And it was in the middle of a comedy and it was way ahead of its time. But I remember the experience of seeing it happened. I'm going to share in the second and realizing when I saw it. Oh my goodness, that's 100% right And the world doesn't look at things that way. And the moment is in Multiplicity, which is a brilliant film, is when Michael Keaton says, Here's how things were going to go. He's gonna lay down the law because he's faced all the complications and he's gonna figure it out. He's come out of his man cave and he's got the truth. Here's how things were going to go, he says, Toe Andy. And and he says No, You think you're gonna go? They're gonna go this way, this way and this way And she destroys him because not only is she right, but she's strong now. I was long before I was married, and believe me, I'm not being, you know, Ray Romano, uh, hemmed in disappointing husband. When I say, Guess what? Guess who knows the way things should go. My my wife knows she's not right 100% of the time, but usually when I say hey, here's what's gonna happen, she says. No, here's what's gonna happen six or seven hours later or 10 minutes later, I have to say, just like a gallant, you are completely right. That was healthy. E wanted to thank you for that as the front end of my answer. Uh, that's sweet. Well, I'm sure it's Harold Ramos.

You need to think, not me, because e think he was very hey was just such a really a genius. He was such a A really good man. And I think I remember I remember him saying something. This really should have been about five women, which was the truth. E truth e. I have thought about it. Can tell you many times I thought I wish I could just if I could just multiply myself because of all the stuff I know I could get done if I could just multiply myself eyes the truth. Yeah, Harold Ramos was really great. Just a great guy and I can't believe I got to work with him two times. I was so lucky. Yeah, everybody needs to check out Multiplicity. It's the fence exquisite performance by Andy, and it's a great help. Um, my answer about projects is, uh it's a spiritual one. For me, it's prayer. It is just completely I have stopped wanting to do what I want to dio probably about 10 or 15 years ago. I have stopped wanting what I want e that it was leading me to a lot of frustrating situations and then his head into walls and not bringing fulfillment. And when I surrendered that and just said Okay, God, what do you want? I'm gonna get out of the way. My life has been so much easier and so much sweeter eso when projects come up and I'm blessed with getting a lot of things on the on the transom that's where I go. I just ask and I surrender and I listened. And fortunately, so far the choices have been blessings. That's beautiful. E Oh, well, you know, for me, it's like I said, it's not always everything that yeah, I saw this quote actually re quoted it on Instagram was like, get recognizing when doors have opened that you've always wished for on, I guess. I guess that's sort of like what's happening right now? Yeah, I've always wanted this, but you you don't necessarily get what you want. That's that's the thing, you know, and you have to be grateful for what you've received. You have to say I'm so thankful for the opportunities I've had. You know, you don't always get what you want. But every every once in a while that happens. And e I talked to Mary Alice. We talked about trying to get to write a book, But I congratulate all of you. I don't know how you do it. I don't know that I have the Stana, Ma. Just sit down that long won't give up. Never give up fucking up on finding something or finding something. Creating something is, you know, it's a long process. It did happen with the beach house and on something that sparks your interest that much to make it follow through. So a lot of times I'm waiting. I'm waiting for a gift. Unfortunately, you know, you just have toe pray or hope. It just drops into your laugh, you know? And sometimes it does a car man got an airport? A I'm Christian. You have a question? Yeah. Todd, this one is for you. So many of your screenplays or adaptations of true stories, including, of course, the spectacular Sully, Uh, starring Tom Hanks, which tells the true story of Captain Sully Sullenberger. Bringing a plane down in the Hudson theme through story behind the film is incredible, but the film brought it to life in a way I honestly never could have imagined. And I know exactly what you mean about needing to see it on the big screen. Um, the Professor and the madman, which is about the creation of the Oxford English Dictionary, is another example of you bringing a true story toe life. Can you talk a bit about why you've been drawn to bringing riel stories like that to the screen? And how does that compare from a storytelling perspective to bringing to the screen something like Elf, which, as far as we know, is pure delight? Me? Oh, well, I'm not allowed to talk about how Oh, my God, fiction is involved in, uh, well, I would say the thing that comes to mind is that it's a sacred trust when you know that if someone's real life, especially when the person is alive and you're gonna be putting words in their mouths that work in a movie, but they've never said because people don't speak in movie dialogue. And if they if they speak exactly as they are, that's great in the documentary, but not when you have back and forth and flow and you need the rising falling action and to really tell the story. So the sacred trust of memorizing a human being and Sully was so gracious with me and allowing me to...

...see every side of himself and to talk through the process, start to finish, so that at the end of it, when he watched the movie for the first time when he walked out of the screening and Warner Brothers, this is what he said. He said. You got my marriage right and you got the flying right just and that meant the world to me. Oh, the second time you went, watch the movie, he came out. He said, Wow, that's a really good movie. But when you're watching your life on screen, when Tom Hanks playing you, it's a completely different scenario for what's happening inside of your chest. That's how you feel. So e. I feel drawn to this because I think that there are endless stories that deserve to be told. But everyone's story needs to be told with that kind of tenderness and respect and honoring, and that's sacrosanct for me. That's that's like when I first sit down with someone, I tell them Whatever you entrust to me, I will take care of you. I will tell the truth. I'm not gonna, you know, shade it this way or that. So you look good. I will tell the truth. But I will honor you until the end. And it z paid off emotionally and very actually and materially that z what we talked about, what you're it's not so much what you're looking for. Both. This is for both Todd and Andy. Um, that you're you're both described how sometimes a book or project comes to your like you just know it's it's a gift, which I think is very cool. It's an answer I really wasn't expecting. So what I wonder is, what is it about the gift that sparks you to say I wanna make this? Is it, um storyline? Or it could be the setting. Yeah. What is it that jumps from the page that you go? Oh, yeah. This is something I want to do. Usually for me, it's about character, because that's that's what I need. I need e need, depth of character. I need something that's complex and interesting. And and, uh, you know that where you can, where you can know you're gonna feel who this person ISS, that you can translate it that you know that you have that you have it that you, you instinctually or you congrats. Gather it for me. Mostly, it's instinct. It's also ex personal experience and personal knowledge and empathy for even if it's a bad character input filling, the understanding, the complexity and the empathy of the character. So, ah, lot of times like people will ask May. So tell me about what you're doing, and I always describe it through character. It's interesting because that's what resonates with me, is the character, and sometimes I forget to actually get the whole story out because I just get stuff on E took on. The character is I'm like, there's this person and this person is like this, and this person is like this and oh, you know, for me, it's always about the characters, and even if it's not me. I'll look at it and I'll go. I love that character. Like when I'm reading it. I'm always I'm always looking at the characters. That makes sense. Yeah, that's what you Yeah. Todd, how about you? For me, it's the untold card. Everyone thinks that they know a story that's true especially my goodness, the blowback When Sully was announced as a movie, the mockery like, Hey, everybody knows it took three minutes and the happy ending. Why are they spending $60 million to make this movie? Nobody cares. I mean, that was the whole thing all the way up until the movie was released. Like even in the weeks before the movie came out Just the last two weeks, all the prognosticators were No one's going to see this movie because nobody cares. But the untold story is something that I knew about that nobody else knew, which is that the NTSB, uh, spent 15 months. I had to collapse it into four days in movie world. Quickly spent 15 months, her rang ing sully about what happened during his heroic moment. They call the night and day, and he lost £35 and he wasn't allowed to fly and they called him alone and they called him by this copilot and they didn't have transcripts of those talks pages, the transcripts about the official report. But three NTSB was doing their job. They're they're They're really, really good at their job. But they just weren't used to having surviving pilots in a crashed it just what happened. And I think there was a level of disbelief. Yeah, this could actually occur, and I think they were looking for something that waas...

...just a little off. But there was nothing off, and these guys did it perfectly. And they brought years of experience in preparation. Right, man, right job, right time, their humanity, their awareness. And, uh, one of my favorite things is, and this is not in the movie because totally, it was wrong. But after they landed on the on the water, they looked at each other. Pilot Copilot said, No, that wasn't so bad. That's a that's incredible. Badass is so a untold story with incredible was the reason that movie worked, and the reason that every every nugget that that I find always looking, you know, from this angle, has anyone seen the light reflected from this coin at this time of them in this way. Wow. Well, that's a hard question, toe. Um, answer to follow. But Mary Kay, I know you have a question. I do. And it kind of strikes a chord with me because I think maybe Todd, what you're talking about is a little thing we call ageism. Eso, Andy. That leads me to my question for you. You know, it's well known that movie makers are a blind when it comes to male actors. They 70 years old and playing a 30 year old, but not so much for women like us. So I'm wondering, have you been able to maintain a lasting career in this business with that kind of challenge? Is it Is it a matter of pursuing and even developing the kind of projects that you want to be involved with? Is there a dream roll out there that your e I'm open to giving you loads of ideas that Z I'm fine. You could welcome to call me and we could talk about that. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's a struggle. It is a struggle. And I wish I was in better light because I look really halfway good for my age. But e don't have one of those ring lights or anything right now. And the natural i e I look so much better. E You look amazing to answer your question, I think, Yes. I mean, you will see, like all the men get over my headphones and I am All the men get older and they're cast with. Can you hear me? Yes, you can hearing you. Okay, I've lost you. I can't see. You can. They're from Okay. Uh Oh. Are you there? My back? Um, we're not. We can hear you. Yeah, well, we're waiting. Can you hear me? Say thank you? And the house? You can hear a You can you can hear May eso to. And I can't hear you guys. So what am I gonna dio? Oh, uh, sh OK, wait. That's what it says over here on. Why don't we get you checked? And I'm gonna ask the question. And how did you get your work? Because I can't hear you guys. Um, I'll take you. You Abby, why don't you ask that she's gonna let's go to the viewer questions and answers. And then we can come back to Andy. How's that? E commend Andy, though, on her sense of suspense. I mean, she's just building this. E se were better back. Whatever reading she talked about questioning her lighting and then went all black. E no fast, I'm sure. All right. Um, Christie, let's see what you asked The question. Perfect. Heidi Angle wants to know what is the what are the biggest hurdles to making a novel into a screenplay. What a good question, Heidi Angle. Bringing it radio Really good one. Here's Here's the coolest thing about adapting a novel and and adapting a true story is similar. I love like I said, the thing that's hidden. So if you're reading a novel and there's an offhanded comment about the character of being amazing at Parcheesi, but then it's never brought up again. I like to follow that string and saying, Well, you know what Parcheesi? What kind of game is that? Why were they in the game? What were they thinking about that? They also like chest, but they also did they play jacks in the backyard with their sister and follow the threads of...

...what would make a character like Parcheesi, and if you do that, you stayed true to the character. But you wind up having permission to tell all kinds of scenes that weren't in the book, because you can't take a great novel and do it Word for word. There's a reason. A novel. It's 400 pages in the screenplay is 110 and you can't describe things you have to get out of the way screenplays, a blueprint of the house that's gonna be built with actors and directors and filming. So you have to put in this really, really spare way. But if you keep surprising people page after page by taking him down those little trapdoors, most hallways that the Parcheesi open, then you have them because they didn't see it coming, especially with his best seller. Were like, Oh, well, we know this happened to this character and they've acted like this, and they never danced under the moonlight with their husband. But if I can show you how everything that's already in the novel leads to a scene about dancing in the moonlight because of Parcheesi E okay, you have done your job. That is something I love that and rail Parcheesi are going to go off the charts this Christmas. A big Parcheesi fan. So I I really like this. Remember the last time I played Parcheesi? I used to play. I have this neighbor that I that was this older man and used to play Parcheesi with me. Oh, wait can hear you now, but I can't see you. You call right? Why? E don't know. But I feel like there's something kind of poetic that we can't see you when we're talking about women aging and roll e question really quick. I wish you e I do think that we are. We do have the opportunity to change the way people think if we stop it within ourselves. So I've had, like, even with my choice, to let my hair go. Silver. You know, the projection that I get is interesting because there's a lot of people out there that do not see an issue with it. And then there's a lot of people that do see the issue with it, and the people that do have an issue with it or feel that it ages may need to look at themselves not me, because that is where the problem is it Xan. An interior dialogue or a societal acceptance. It's in yourself that is judging a woman differently than you're judging a man. And so I can't change that for you. But you you do need to look at it. So that is part of the problem. And I think there are also like I could cast with a lot of younger man. And when I did this Christmas movie, they I was like, I was showing up for the first time with silver hair. And I'm like, What if the guy has dark here? Of course he has dark hair. I'm sure he colors it, but he did have dark hair. A lot of actors color their hair. A lot of male actors color their hair, obviously. But I decided within myself that I wasn't gonna say anything to anybody that it bothered narrow, that I was even thinking about it because that that shows my weakness. That shows me projecting that attitude onto myself. So, you know, we're on a journey now. We're you know, we haven't had a female president, which is very peculiar that this in this day and age that that has not happened. We've got so much progress to make, and it sounds really small. But it's not because how we are perceived as women and how we look. It's also about it's all about power. It's a very much about being able to get ahead and all of that. It plays into the whole the whole picture. So I would like to do really sexy roles as a mature woman because men get to do it all the time. You know, we don't we don't have that opportunity. Thio continue to be a force to be reckoned with and a powerhouse and dynamic. Um, all the roles that you would see a man play at 60 those of the roles I would like to play. Wow. I think you found five authors for it. I'm gonna write e were on it in one. Screenwriter E If you click start cam on the bottom panel, you might all right. Thank you, honey. Okay. All right. Mary Kay, while we're waiting, why don't you ask your question? You have one from Jill? Uh, yeah. Hang on one moment. Um, yeah. Jill Cooper Dutcher says once the author has sold the rights to the novel. Do they continue to have involvement throughout filming? It really depends on the power of the author and the appetite of the author.

You could have someone that that is new to it, but who demands to be involved. And Onley will cut a deal if they're involved and get to listen. Ah, lot of newer novelists are nervous about asking for that, but that's available if they demanded. If people want it enough there, even, you know often they get a chance to write the first draft of the screenplay. Its's remarkable. There's a lot of openness towards the creator of these things, I p. So there's a lot of love for for novelists, Um, but I would stay. It's fundamentally important for the novelist to recognize that a movie is a totally, totally different animal to seed the creation of that moving to the movie makers that that's hard, that's that's tough. And because most movies were terrible and most movies don't get made very, very difficult to take your cherished characters and you're beautiful book and given into the hands of people that may or may not crush it It's a deep vulnerability, especially after you spent characters out to the world and they become beloved, promote many people. The memory of a book is much more tied to a successful film or even an unsuccessful film than it is tied to the original book. Actors wind up on the cover of the re issues, and that first thing that conversation between novelist and reader gets more and more obscure. You know, there's a it takes a tremendous amount occurring to let your novel go into movie world. Well, I have to say, I remember Andy, Can you hear this? Are you out there? You know, it says I'm in the show that everyone can You are, but well, that's all right. We can hear you. But I remember I remember when we did the beach house. That was exactly that, Todd. I, um I gave it to Andy, but I really had complete trust that she do. She knew the story. She do well by it and I just let go, and I saw the script and things, but it really waas the Andes decision. What was going to go in or not? And I think a lot of it for the author is just to trust who's handling the material. Well, there were some things I probably would have done different. So it wasn't. Dan had a lot of power to the producers. And, you know, we had a very prestigious director, so I didn't There was some things I probably I wish I actually had voiced my opinion in a little bit stronger. I didn't I know, but, you know, in hindsight, but it's still it's all good. It's all good. But, you know, you do have to let go At a certain point. We were talking about that yesterday. When we're talking about another book is sometimes it's a different experience, a book taking it to film. And you have to think about how it translate on Translates on film and and you you do have to two hours to tell the story. And sometimes you have thio change things a little bit to make it fit in that format and be flexible. Yeah, yeah, you have. Ah, few live questions you can pull up. Um, yes. Um okay, so this one is for Todd and Andy. Um, e we would love to hear of one project That would be your dream project that you haven't done yet. It doesn't have to be something specific, but is there something that would be a dream project for you, for the future that you haven't gotten to tackle? That's a good one, right? Right now it's for for us to figure out how Andy could be back on screen e o a show and that everyone could see and hear May. So I don't know what I've done wrong. Don't everybody? And he's in right now making a film in Canada. So it's not easy for all this is not in her own home. She was not in witness protection. E apologize. I dropped it. And then you should see how my what my set up is. I've got my phone is sitting against the knife holder a box? Yeah, I've got just, you know, a light on the floor. That's that's kind of the extent of it, but yeah. What? Does anyone have a project that they dream? E I certainly I certainly do. I'd like Andy to go first. Please. Um well, you know, I was hoping that someday I would get to work with my daughter and I knew that she waas um, adamant about making it on her own. And she didn't wanna, you know, look like I was helping her out because I really am not. There's nothing I could do for either. You could do it at your camp. That's the thing. And s o, I didn't think I would get. I thought it would...

...be like on Golden Pond or something like that, that kind of thing. I thought I would be ancient before it actually happened. And I was working on the Christmas movie and I got a call from her and said, I'd love you to play my mother So this the project that I'm working on right now and playing a manic depressive, which is something I've always wanted to dio I grew up in sort of a chaotic environment. And there's just, you know, she's also very joyful, manic depressive. So I'm having a lot of fun playing that, And I guess after this I want to play a really sexy older woman like I want to dress hot as hell. And I just you know, I want on. I wanna feel I wanna feel like a man feels at my age I wanna be I wanna be able to do everything that they're doing and and and embrace that part of myself that that has no fear about where I am right now and actually on and embrace all that power, the power that they get to feel as they get older. That's what that's what I want. I wanna be like, super powerful in, you know, in my prime as they are in their prime and owning it. That's really you know, I wanna dress like, super, like, really great clothes. Feminine, feminine, you know, like high hills like great high hills like sales. No way, no, that's what you're doing right now. Way. No, that's exactly right. I don't know, because on screen, moving up that sort of image we all have in our mind. Um, Todd, I know that very could be very quick. Do you have a writing tip? The quick bush writing, Jim. Yeah, it's not. It's not terribly long for me. Um the greatest. And I'm sure for all of you as well the greatest trapdoor of writing is procrastination. E. That's the thing. You know, Pro perfect beginning for that word because we're not amateur crashed in eight hours. We are procrastinators and the ability to think of anything to keep from writing. And they're wander around and to shy away from your writing desk and create incredible ritual of failing to write on their feeling bad about not writing, and they can consume. You and E have the benefit of writing under deadlines constantly, so I don't have the opportunity to give into that. But most people, especially young writers or people that want to write this is a big problem for that. So my advice about this is whether it's an apartment or a home or where you live. You turn every single inch of your house into a creative space. You have your writing desk, but when you get up to go make your coffee while you're procrastinating, you lazy punk, you Mr. Coffee is a chalkboard, and it's her notes and over by the fridge. Their letters for you arranged for ideas. And in your bedroom there's a pad, always by the light. In other words, there's nowhere you can go in your house that you cannot right. There is no safe place happen is that you will see that pool and you will dive into it. And then you will like it so much you'll be swimming around your house and your book will be done before your hair's dry. There you go, E amazing. I love it. I'm a convert. That careful, Thank you Know, really, That's really wonderful. Alright, why? Everybody is asking because we forgot to let Todd answer. What is his dream project? Okay, that's sweet. Thank you for let me circle back. I'm on the verge of getting to do it. I've been asked to direct a movie that I wrote called Hearts, and it's the true story of the only professional athlete to ever play with transplanted heart named Simon. He's personally responsible for tens and thousands of people's lives being saved, because whenever he tells his story, people donate their organs. The reason that it matters so much to me is that when I met Simon to write this movie, he was essentially in hospice. I went to get his story like I was getting his last will and testament, and we wept together and his family for their hearts out to me, and it's done that drove me home from the hotel saying, I'm watching. My father vanished before my eyes. And I can look everybody in...

...the eye tonight and tell you this. I believe in miracles. I had never seen one, and right in front of my eyes, Simon Keith. Life became a miracle. At the last possible minute. He found his third heart, his third heart. And he is now back on tour back speaking alive in better shape than any of us, you guys. No, no, He shined so brightly. I love him so much. We become like brothers. And that is the next thing I'm Frank Marshall is producing it. Who produced Sully and all the born movies and all global movies. And that looks like it. It could dio in 2021. So it's really when you say you believe something and then you actually see it, you have to live your life on the other side of that. So it's it's altered my view of the world e time of year. Thank you for I'm so glad we got Patty. You brought that in tow. Have that? It's beautiful. Yeah. All right. Mary Kay, can you remind us about our tonight's bookstore Po Bookshop in Bayonne, New Jersey, and we love them and, you know, they've had They've had some troubles lately, and so we would love it if you the video link is on Linda, uh, loathe. They had some serious they had they had. I'll just tell you they had a death threat because they're a bookstore and love it. If you would support them and be there for them because we believe in that. We believe in authors being there for each other and being there for Where is this bookstore? It's in Bayonne, New Jersey. Okay, And then the little about bookshop. Yes, and it's on. We have the link on on on our Facebook page, and you can order all of our books from them tonight or tomorrow or for the whole week, and they're offering a 10% off. You don't have to have a discount code or any of that, so you know it's tis the season. And we hope that you will remember to assist for opening your heart to someone who's who's had trouble. They didn't ask for. Thank you for sharing that. Thanks. Mary Kay. Um, let's see Christian, You Can you tell us a bit about her upcoming guests? Yeah, sure. So we've been doing these behind the books bonus episodes once a month for a few months now. And this Sunday the 13th, we have a very special one coming up with the incredibly prolific Number one New York Times best selling author Susan Mallery. So that Sunday at 5 p.m. On the friend at 5 p.m. Eastern on the friends and Fiction Facebook page and also on our YouTube channel. And then next Wednesday at 7 p.m. Eastern time, we will be welcoming Lisa. See the New York Times, bestselling author of The Island of See Women and many other gorgeous transport of novels. So I think they're both gonna be great episodes. And we do hope you'll join us. Yeah, and that's a strong book about strong women. So you're gonna love a Christmas talk about our ugly Christmas sweater party s O on Christmas Eve Eve, which is what we call it in our house. But it is really December 23rd, which you guys probably got. We're going to be having an ugly Christmas sweater party and we're so excited we really want you guys to join us. And, uh I don't know. I think we haven't announced it yet, but were maybe gonna be having, like, a little ugly Christmas sweater party on the Facebook page that we want everybody to participate in. So it's gonna be tons of fun. It's gonna be a great way to spend Christmas Eve Eve, and we can't wait to see you there. That's right. And, Patty, you have a final question. Um, just a simple last firing around the shot here. If you could magically trade lives with one of the characters you have portrayed or created, Which one would you choose? Andy, I'm gonna have to think about this. You guys go ahead. Okay? All right, Todd. Well, it's it's funny I didn't create the character, buddy the elf, but I'm also often accused of being like Buddy the elf. I really, really loved the notion of moving through the world with certainty that light defeats darkness on, but buddy embodies that, uh, not rock and tights very often anymore, but 50 0, my life. But I love the purity of of what buddy...

...says about, and if we can remember at Christmas that with all the disappointment of this year and all those that we've heard and all the ways we've been locked down and hemmed in and the ways that the disappointment can feel like the tights were wearing wearing thing, it's just on top of us that we can peel it off at the end of 2020 and say light winds. Hope is on the horizon. Scene is coming. We still love each other. The Christ child is stillborn, not stillborn. But it's still being a thief. The you know, Christmas is here, and it can't be stopped. So, like that, that star that's up in the sky guiding us home that we would always lean toward the light. And I think when we do that, not only do we elevate ourselves out of the conversation that we're stuck within our head, but we wind up splashing light on everyone around us. And of course, there's nothing mawr contagious than love and light. Hey, was You're beautiful. You're you there? I know you're there. I can't see you What you say. Are you talking to me? Yes. Now, can you hear me? Oh, unfortunately, that beautiful. That beautiful story. Why don't you put the camera on somebody else while I talk? E o Mary, Alice and talk. All right. Just leave it like that. Just leave, all right? Yeah. All right. So tell us if you gotta teach your question, I guess it would be my character in Groundhog Day. Only because she was so pure. I mean, that's really was she had to be a reflection off hokum, purity and all things good and positive, you know? So that's good. You know, he's he's fighting so hard to be with her because of her, how genuine she is and what kind of person, What a kind person she is. Yeah. And you know the whole story. It's a very Buddhist story. But I did talk about it in old church and ash hole, because it really is about, um, you know, becoming your higher self truly is about reaching the best part of yourself. It's like cycling life after life after life. Yeah, until you get there, Yeah, you finally get there on. And then he got to be with her because she was all goodness, she was such a pure human, you know, I think both answers. Those are the perfect way on our program tonight. What a wonderful night in tonight. We're so grateful. Angie, Thank you so much for coming. Sorry about thank you for joining us. Thank you. Wear so lucky blowing kisses. All of you. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Want to catch the show, lady? You can catch it on our website, www dot friends and fiction dot com. And now on YouTube as well. And don't forget tomorrow morning you can catch the Wild Swan. Don't order it on Audible Original song. Midnight That up again on also on Sunday night, December 13th. Don't forget to wash. Watch Andy in dashing in December on Sunday night. That's around, everybody. Merry Christmas A. Do you think today you've been listening to the friends and fiction podcast? Be sure to subscribe to the friends and fiction podcast wherever you listen. And if you're enjoying it, leave a review. You can find the friends and fiction authors at w w w dot friends and fiction dot com A swell as on the Facebook group page. Friends and fiction come back soon. Okay. There are still lots of books, writing tips, interviews, publishing news and bookstores to chat about goodbye.

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