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Friends and Fiction with Christina Lauren (Sunday Bonus Episode)

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Writing duo Christina Hobbs and Lauren Billings (who write together as Christina Lauren) join the Friends & Fiction authors to discuss their unique process of writing novels as a team and their latest NYT bestselling rom-com In a Holidaze. https://christinalaurenbooks.com

Welcome to Friends and fiction. Fivebest selling authors, Endless Stories, Friends and Fiction is a podcast withfive bestselling novelist whose common love of reading, writing an independentbookstores found them together with jets, author interviews and fascinatinginsider talk about publishing and writing. Thes friends discuss the booksthey've written, the books they're reading now and the art of storytelling.If you love books and you're curious about the writing world, you're in theright place. Bestselling novelist Mary Kay Andrews, Christine Harmel, ChristieWoodson, Harvey Patty Callahan, Henry and Mary Alice Munro are five longtimefriends with more than 80 published books. To their credit at the Start of the Pandemic, they gottogether for a virtual happy hour to talk about their books, their favoritebookstores writing, reading and publishing in this new, unchartedterritory. They're still talking, and they've added fascinating discussionswith other bestselling novelists, so join them live on their friends andfiction Facebook Group page every Wednesday at 7 p.m. Eastern, or listenand view later at your leisure. Hi, everyone and thank you. Thank youso much for joining us on a Sunday for another one of our bonus behind thebook episodes of Friends and Fiction. On weekends like this, we love to delvea little deeper and ask more in depth questions about what goes on behind thescenes in our favorite writers lives. We hope you enjoy hearing those answersas much as we dio. But first, before we introduce our special guests tonight,we would like to say hi. So I am Christine Harmel and my latest is thebook of last names. I'm Christi. What's in Harvey? And my latest just feelslike falling. I am Paddy Callaghan, Henry, and mylatest is becoming Mrs Lewis. I'm Mary Alice Munro, and my latest is on OceanBoulevard and I'm Mary Kay Andrews, and my latest is Hello, Summer. This is avery special bonus episode of friends and fiction. We're all so excited foryou to meet the amazing kind, prolific, talented Christina Hobbs and LaurenBillings, who together right under the pen name Christina Lauren. They're theNew York Times, U. S. A. Today and number one international, best sellingauthors of the Beautiful Bastard and Wild season, Siri's, as well as otherhuge bestsellers, including the UNH's team owners dating you, hating you anautobiography, which I think it's such a smart title, right? They werepublished in more than 30 languages, have won the R D Book of the Year awardand have been named in Amazon and Audible Romance of the Year winner. Ohyeah, and Christina is a former junior...

...high counselor, and Lauren has a PhD inneuroscience. So yeah, they're amazing and honest. Perhaps most of all,they're truly good people with good heart. You can feel that on every pageof their books, and you'll see it here in just a few seconds to They're alsovery supportive of other authors, which means the world in industry like this.So without further ado, let's welcome Christina Lauren e u. That was such asweet intro, E. I mean, you guys aerial slouches. It's hard to find good guyabout you. What have you really done with your lives? I don't know. Thankyou so much for joining us tonight. Thank you for having us off. Of course.No, it's our pleasure. We're just so happy. Thio share you with our viewerstonight. So we wanted to remind you all before we get rolling. That tonight arebookseller is Bethany Beach Books and Delaware There a favorite store for allof us, and they're giving you 10% off our new releases with coupon code. Welove F N F. 2020. The link is on our Facebook group page, but one veryspecial book you'll find there this week is the brand new novel fromChristina Lauren called In Ah, Holidays D o a de ese es with kind of cool,which comes out next week and will be absolute perfect way to dive into thisholiday season. So, Christina and Lauren, can you tell us a little bitabout in the holidays? Sure. Hi, everybody. Thank you again for havingus. I am Lauren. I'm one half of Christina Lauren were co authored zero.So we are always happy to talk about that in the holidays is a time jumpingromance. The premise is a little bit like Groundhog Day. Um, where? Malin?She wakes up one morning after the holiday after Christmas and she findsthat she has kissed the wrong brother. She has been in love with Andrew herentire life pretty much, and she had a couple of glasses of eggnog and kissedhis brother, and from there everything sort of falls apart. It's not just thekiss. It's a million other things that seemed to fall apart. And she makes awish to the universe to show her what would make her happy. And then shewakes up at the beginning of the holiday again, and she kind of has tofigure out how to get what she wants. So I love it. It was really fun towrite. It was hard, though. I mean, I think we had that, like, how does onejump through time and not make it boring? Teoh, you know? Yeah, kind of asliding Doors thing, isn't it? Which is one of my all time films on E won'tshoot E. This book is number one on my list. Like, Plus, do we need a holidaysbook now? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Oh, it sounds so good. I'mkind of mad that I don't have a Yes, So...

...we Oh, what is happening exactly? Weshare a publisher. What's going on here? This is just We have a lot of people incommon. Kristen, we should definitely dio publisher. Yeah, right. But youknow what? Mary Alice. I also shared agent and a publicist with them. So,like, somebody should have me when I feel like yeah, Like yes, Exactly. Thiofrom the bookstore tonight. That's right. That is true. Much better idea.We would like to support our authors. No way, you guys, I don't know aboutyou. I do this show you guys the Oh, that's crazy. What are you talkingabout? The selling une By tomorrow we owe Got a mortgage payment to make youguys eso Christina and Lauren. We all have. We all have questions for youtonight on DWI have incorporated a couple great ones from our readers toSo let's get started because I think we're just also interested to hear whatyou have to say about writing together. Christie, do you want to kick thingsoff tonight? Yes, I would love thio. So I have read that you two met online in2009 when you were both writing Twilight fan fiction. And then afteryou actually met in person at a conference, you decided to write a booktogether. So Kristen mentioned earlier that you both had very busy jobs at thetime How did a partnership like that and the decision to write a booktogether come about? It's pretty incredible. So can you kind of walk usthrough that? Um So I'm Christina. Hello? Eso we met in 2009 were bothwriting fan fiction. Low was putting on ah panel at San Diego Comic con on fanworks. And I had a popular story at the time, and so she was like, you know,come out and, you know, be on this panel And it was one of those thingswhere the first time we met and we just clicked. You know, if you've ever metsomebody that, like Low had just found out she was pregnant, she hadn't reallytold anybody, and she told me, And so it's funny. We gauge our friendshipsort of by, like her daughter, her daughter's 10 nail. So it's prettygreat. We just got along so well. We decided to write a little kind of oneshot together, which is like a fanfic thing. We had so much fun that we werelike, That's right, a book. So we decided to write a book. We wrote areally terrible part of a really terrible, um, super angsty. And anybodywho knows us knows we are not particularly serious a lot of time. Andso it was just not fun for us. And so a soon as we started writing a book that,like kissing and, you know, high school sweethearts and skinny dipping andstuff it just suddenly we were doing this fun thing with our best friend.And really, in the beginning, I wrote to make low laugh and Low road to makeme laugh. And after all of these years, we still write something and just belike, Oh, my gosh, she's gonna die, you...

...know? Or so we're so lucky. That'samazing. What a beginning to it That actually makes me think. One of ourmembers, Joyce Merrill, had asked on the Facebook group page what made youdecide to write under a pen name rather than just writing under Cristina Hobbsand Lauren buildings. Why did you decide to become Christina? Lauren? Um,I think we did them mostly because we wanted it to feel like it was a jointprocess. You know that we we didn't have any intention, really of writingalone. At that point, we just wanted it to be a thing that we were doingtogether. And also, we put so much time into editing so that it feels like asmooth read that we didn't want readers toe worry that it would sound like toomany voices or that it would be clerk in any way. And so I think we reallywanted people to trust that we would put time into the editing process. Yeah,that's awesome. What a great reason. Um, Mary Kay, you had a question. I think.Yeah, I have read that in 2013 alone You to put out six books in a single Aworking full time. How my mind e a question that neither of us can answerbecause we don't remember that way. E. I'm sure you don't. Wow. Prolific rightout of the gate while still working jobs and raising kids and how youstayed so productive because, you know, sometimes you can pull that off in thefirst burst of energy. But how do you keep keeping on? You're putting out atleast two books a year together. So what's your secret to getting the wordson the page and doing it in a way that involves two brains instead of onetelling us this'll secret requiring line were e mean. To be honest, 2013 isa blur because, as you know, those of you who write romance, you know thatthe market moves really fast. Readers will read the book the day it comes outfor both women's fiction, commercial fiction and romance, thes air,voracious readers. And as soon as they have the book in their hands, they'regoing to finish it. And 2013 was also a really active time for romance. Um, itwas a couple about a year after 50 shades came out, people were buying aton of romance, and I think you know, the philosophy was to try and get abunch of books out really quickly, so that you kind of built up a name foryourself in a readership and, um, but our goal was to have everybody everybook be better than the one that came before it. And I think that that was agood gold, a set, but also a hard goal. I had a three and a five year old, youknow, we had full time jobs and it was just It was sort of a blur, but becauseit was such a fun job. I mean, we were writing these books together. We'rewriting with our best friends. Um, it was sort of the dream, you know, like,who gets to do their hobby and their...

...passion for a career. And I thinkbecause, you know, we had a big year that year we were able to both quit ourjobs and rightful time, and that was really amazing. How does it work? Doesdo you do ah synopsis together and outline together? So we always outlinein person, always. We've tried doing it remotely. It's just not the same. Justsomething magic happens when we're in the same room and sort of, you know,riffing off each other. And sometimes it can take a couple of days. It's likeit comes in little bursts. Eso we will do our outline. We outline sometimesreally extensively, sometimes not as not as much. We decide who's going towrite what Chapters Low does a schedule because I'm terrible, a terrible aboutabout that stuff and low is great. And then we just sort of stick to thatschedule we eat right on parts. Usually it's like a chapter a week, dependingon how much time we have. And then at some point we combine it and we alwaysloaded up so the other person can see you know what's come before it. What'scoming after we write chronologically, at some point, we put it together andhope that it looks like a book sometimes never does it. We've had torewrite books before, but and then we just edit and edit and edit and edit sobut the process is never the same. It always changes in some way. Everysingle book. Yeah, meeting. Cool. Patty, I think you had a question also. Well,cabbie took some of my question. That's what I was most difficult now was theoutlining and how you did it, because we're all starting to learn with coveit in the pandemic. We're starting to learn how to do things not in the samecity or in the same state. I mean, the five of us have done 25 shows and havenot been in the same room together in seven months. So when you guys firststarted writing together, you live in completely different places, right?Lauren, I think you're in Southern California, Is that right? And then,you know you're in Utah. So have you seen each other's and since, Like, howdid you start? Just nuts and bolts. How did you start doing this? Did you geton the phone? Did you go back and forth? I'm really curious about then. That's abelts of how that started and how you could share your work in that way. Esowe So we met in person in 2009 on. We just had a really great chemistrytogether. She's Christina is one of the things about doing this with a coauthor is you have to have complementary personalities, right? Imean, I could be very intense and neurotic. Christina is very laid backand bubbly, and it just works for us that way. And so when we met in person,we just had a really good vibe and everything we did sort of off the cufftogether, felt right. And so now when...

...we outlined on DWI have seen each other.So she drove out to me in June. We hadn't seen we saw each other on Marchnight and then not until, you know, we usually see each other like once amonth, A e. I mean, we had, like, quarantined and done all of that. Shedrove out with her family in a straight shot, and then I went to see her in alie again, quarantined all of that straight shot to her house, and we'regoing to see each other. She came out for my birthday in September. We'regoing to see each other in October again. And, um because the truth islike when we try and outline on the phone, it just It's not the samebecause we have to kind of noodle around like we're cooking mealstogether and talking about the characters. And we're going for a walkand like planning the different chapters. And it happens in this sortof organic PC way that I just think if if we call each other on the phone andare like, Okay, now we outline it just it doesn't feel like a naturalconversation, you know, that makes sense. So do you start with Do youstart with an idea at the beginning and and then you get together and you youkind of see what comes up. Er I mean, how does what's the actual genesis ofit? How do you come up with the idea? Sometimes it's been the character, andsometimes it's been just like one line or an idea. You know, I think, um, likeautobiography was one that we outlined over probably four or five years beforewe actually started writing. You kind of put the title of that one first, Ordid you come up a good story? First? We had the story first, but the title camelike that. Yeah, I'm super proud of that book. That book is like, That isour heart. It's my favorite, My favorite book of yours. I love it. It'ssuch a good buddy, you and so And that's what they call high concept. Ithink that's one of the things I like about your books. Is a lot of Mara, youknow, create three. Inception is high concept. It's it's fresh, it's new, andthat's I think has who comes up with that. I mean, is it mine? Who's thegenius of the two? Because those are really great ideas. Well, first of all,I want to say thank you because you are a legend. So that's a really, reallynice thing for you to say. And I'm gonna, like, fall asleep with that word,that sentence in my head. But, you know, the nice thing is that sometimesChristina has the idea, and we we riff off of it. And sometimes I have theidea and we riff off it. And it's like I think this works because it is such aequal partnership, both in terms of personality and contribution. And, youknow, I mean, we talked a lot about this, but the friendship always comesfirst. We built this friendship after we started writing together, but I mean,she is my best friend. She is my business partner, and, um, herhappiness and her well being matters so much more to me than anyone. Book. So Ithink because we have that we have that trust, you know, we always want toe,like, do our best for each other, right?...

So sure, and there's never any egobecause we're Christina Lauren. We're not Christina and Lauren. So when we'reworking, it's really like we have, like, we're raising a child together or, youknow, we're married and these air, all of our kids. It really is about thisthing that were built. But we're also very careful toe have time. That isjust friend time. That is not, you know, we're not really talking about books.And so I think that's why we're really lucky that we can take a weekend or aweek toe outlined a book because we'll be watching a movie and then go Oh, Ihave an idea, you know? So, yeah, does that parlay into the business side aswell? Because one of the things I would think you know I love you say you'reeach other's best friend. I think that's that's really touching and thatyou have such a successful career on top of that. So, um, there might be,I'm sure there are moments. Even amongst best friends were creativelyThere's a little Oh, no, I don't quite agree with that, but you've obviouslyworked through that, but I'd be curious how that works on the page or you callup on the phone. But also in the business sense. How do you handle Ahbusiness between best friends? E. Go ahead. Well, I was just going tosay we're so lucky in terms of the money piece because I feel like we havea similar approach and philosophy where it's like we both want Thio pay for thethings we have to pay for and get the money, the thing for the things thatwe're owed. But we don't sweat the small stuff, right? S I think that thebusiness piece were both were responsible in the same way and werelaid back in the same way. So I think that fits on Ben. Also, when you'recollaborating with somebody, you just have to learn how they need to hearfeedback, right? People really straight. Some people want it kind of sandwichedin a compliment. Some people need a lot of praise. Some people don't like itjust it just depends. So can we do? We do argue, um, low sometimes becausepeople, that's the big question. Everybody always wants to know if wefight and we're like, Oh, what's we dio remember those saying I would not wantto be in a relationship with somebody where we didn't argue because thatmeans that you're not being honest. That means that you're just saying yesand no, you know, to everything. Um, but it's funny because thedisagreements are never about the book. They're always like getting on eachother's nerves or, you know, something like that. It's never it's never aboutif there is, if there is ever anything we disagree on, like if I don't If Idisagree, um, something I will say. And low usually knows like I'm usually like.Okay, yeah. Yep. Because you know, she always say Low is the one who, like,keeps this train going because she, like, keeps our schedule. She shealways knows what's happening. I'm writing the wrong names and books. It'sa A, but usually there's a problem.

It's because somebody is not on thesame page like is not caught up on an outline. Something has changed. Has forgotten It's 90% me. Eso It's never about because, like I said, we'reChristina Lauren. We're not Christina and Lauren when we're writing, sothere's never any ego about me being right or her being right. It's alwaysfor the best of the book. That's a great answer. Well, that I can see whyyou're so successful. It makes me think of a really successful ban or duo rightthe way describing your relationship. Then usually the way you hear authorsdescribe their relationship and I love it because it's making me think aboutstrong writers, right? Like if that's your refined, better guitar. Uh, yeah,it takes work. It definitely takes work. I mean, I think we have had to put ineffort in our in our relationship Thio, make sure that we're being goodcommunicators and we're being good partners, you know? And I mean, ithelps that we only ever really wrote professionally together so that that'sall we know. I think it would have been harder if we both came in with, like,individual careers and egos and all of that. But I think it does take work.You know, we have something priority. I also think that it helps that westarted out writing fan fiction because that is such a collaborative thing.Everybody, like, reads everybody and edits everybody, and you know all ofthat. So, um, it just came natural. Tufts, try like, wow, what a great CEOfigure out. You're your individual strengths and weaknesses, like whichone of you is better than one element Or did that just kind of click rightaway? And have you kind of moved more into that as you've written togetherfor longer? I mean, I've always known that ifthere's a scene that we want, that if there's a scene where somebody's heartneeds to be completely ripped out or we need to feel everything they're feeling,I will 100% you like that is low. That is totally le You know, we knew earlyon that, like what we like to write and what it seemed like. We were good atwriting, but I think we've learned to articulate that better over time.Christine is very good with setting a scene like showing a landscape kind ofputting us in a place in the book, making you really feel like you'rethere with them. And I think we both really love writing dialogue. But yeah,I mean, we both you know, we both like writing for each other, and that kindof takes some of the pressure off, too, because I think if I pretend like thisbook is only going to be read by Christina, it makes it a lot easier towrite it than if this book is going to be read by, you know, Mary Alice Munro,R E. Because you know how it is. You guys are writers, you know, it's likethe pressure of thinking about somebody important reading it. Um, it's a loteasier if I just write it for Christina.

Yeah, you make me want to do acollaborative effort. You make it sound so cool. E. But there's there's aquestion we love to ask every guest we have on the show. We ask it every week.And that question is this. What were the values around reading and writingin your childhood households? We're always interested in how that hasshaped the writer that you are today. Um, well, I grew up a very poor kid,Onda One place that I could go and dio whatever I wanted and get whatever andbe like a big you know, High roller was at the library S o I. That's what I didwas I read like almost every book and like my school library, that was, youknow, my age group. Um, my mom was a big romance reader. We had just likebookshelves that were just full of used books from the You Know, like NikolaQuarter Everything and Barbara Cartland and all of those. And, you know, I justgrew up watching her read two books a day sometimes e um, I was raised byparents who met in graduate school UC Berkeley. And so when they found thatthey had a romance loving daughter, they were like a little horrified. Ethink, think this love that I read, you know? I mean, my were always readingbooks. My dad loved science fiction fantasy. My mom was a big lit, thicklover. She's she still reads like crazy, like probably three books a week. Andso I would take my allowance and I would go to the used bookstore and byDanielle Steel, and my mom would just like she would rather it, you know, shewould be like, Okay, like, as long as you're reading. So I think you know,just having that that freedom. Thio read what it was that made us want toread. And I try and do that with my kids too, you know? Yeah. So that'swonderful. Are your kids big, big readers, Both sets of your kids? Mychild is now. What's that? Would you say, Christina, my daughter is 19 incollege. On Dshea is not, She says that reading for school has sort of ruinedor like love of comics and books and stuff. But she's never been a hugereader, and I remember there was a time where people would ask me if she readour books and I would just laugh because she is not a kissing bookreader. Bythe well, took my daughter 10 years to read a novel of mine E. Yeah,I have a 13 year old son and he reads anything he confined and my daughter's.She's in a graphic novels, and she likes those she sent. She's tense, butmy son has read a few of our books. He snuck them at first, and I was like,You know, and I mean not not the early ones. Early ones. They're a littleracier, but the later ones e. I honestly think like I would rather himlearned romance from romance written by...

...women. Right then, Uh oh, wow, that's abig point. Very. It's not a right that sense where it's abusive against womenat all. No, exactly. And I told him. Like, Listen, I'm okay with you doingthis As long as you talk to me, if you have questions, right, if you havequestions about anything you read, you can always feel safe coming to me. AndI think he does. So it's good. Another thing we like to do on the show everyweek is have our guests give us a writing tip, and I'm so interested tohear yours because I just have such respect for the career both of you havebuilt. Do you have a writing tips you could give us tonight? Good. I'm going to say run your ownrace. Whether that be other authors or your co author, my co author is veryfast and very good. Um, and it's easy to sort of be down on myself for beingslower, but everybody has to realize that they have their own process, andyou just have to go with it. Brains aren't easily just changed. That'sright. Yeah, Easy in this in this business, um, to feel competitive orfeel like you are raising someone else. That's such great advice. So simple,but so meaningful. Yeah. Yeah. How about you, Lauren? Um Well, I have two,but they're small. I guess one would be to You can't edit until you right? Andso you just have to write. We always tell ourselves to right now and editlater. Even if it's terrible, you can always fix it sometimes with Christineand I, we have written a book completely wrong. We had to rewrite it,but at least now we know how not to do it, you know, and it's informative, Um,but also I have a few friends who really want to write a book, andthey're like, But I'm just so busy and I'm like, Well, you either write it oryou don't, so you have time for it, So I think that that is my advice is,don't make excuses to just sit down. If you want to write a book, you have towrite the book. You're right, even if you're busy and even if it's 30 minutesor 60 minutes a day or whatever the words add up eventually, that's such agood you know that that goes even if you're feeling stuck. If you're anestablished writer and you're feeling stuck, sometimes you just have to writegarbage and like, forgive yourself for writing garbage, you know, like you canfix it or you can delete it all. But at least you've done something that movesyou forward somehow. So way tell each other that is better than perfect. Yeah,that's true. That's true. And I just feel like sometimes you have to writethat garbage to get to the good stuff. You know what I mean? Like, it's aboutto you, because otherwise it's just in there and it's not It's not good.Absolutely. Can't fix what ain't there. Yeah, it's true. And I mean, do you allfind, too, that sometimes you think about your characters? You've beenliving in their heads for a while, but you don't totally know them until youstart writing that E. Oh, yeah, you're getting to know them like a weight.That first chapter is trash. I have...

...thio well, and they, like, evolved pasta point that you thought they were going to. And you're like, Well, thisstory is not gonna end the way I thought because she's a reallydifferent woman than she wasn't the beginning E. When I'm in that garbagetime, I always say e seeing it out of the corner of my eye like I see thisstory, but it's right over here and I can't see it. You got to keep writingtill you tell you it's done being in the corner of your eye and it's andthat's so true, Patty, That stresses me out, though, because I feel like Iwanna grab it and I don't trust that it will stay there like I always worrythat it'll go away and I'll have to like I don't know That's such a goodway of saying it. E you have the garbage part with just that it's notreally clicking and then it's clicking and you're going. You're like, Oh myGod, you start that right away. Why didn't I started earlier? Why didn't I?Because it's so much fun when it's rolling and it really is. Why did Iagonize so much? You have to go through that. Yeah, I think you dio Yeah, justkeep reminding me that we just started a book and I'm like, Do I even know howto do this way? What am I doing? Yeah. Weii, Exactly way also love to givebook recommendations on the show because it's so nice to shout out otherauthors and and give other people great ideas of things to read Thio, either.If you have a book you read, I mean, obviously our books. I clearly read theentire friends and fiction catalog and their way actually have. Do you haveanything you've read recently that you'd like to recommend? Um, eso wellplayed came out today. It's by Gen. DeLuca. She had a book out. SteerCaldwell met. It's a Renaissance fair romance. It's really cute. It's kind ofan enemies to lovers, and it's just a ton of fun and so well played as when Ijust started today, and I just I love her voice. I think she's really fun,and, um, it's different, like there aren't a lot of Renaissance fairromances, and so I enjoy that one a lot, So that would be American nation. Eso I.I've been on a thriller kick lately, so I read my lovely Wife by SamanthaDowning, and I loved it so much I didn't see any of it coming, but I'mreading the guest list by Lucy Foley, and it is so beautifully written. Yeah,There are just a, uh, e really good e. Some, like this'llis actually just a test to see if Lauren can complete your sentences for,like, how are they? What was she gonna...

...say? Lauren E. Well, I know that she'sShe's really into the wedding guests and she's really into high. She's harde and I don't know no. And you're like, I really enjoy thrillers e waving inone right now Way lost you when you were saying it's beautifully written.Did you would have beautifully written there some. So I'm descriptions thatthey're just so gorgeous. I actually would like call low and tell her she'sunsure. Just love. Step's awesome. That's actually on my cute my my liston the library. So I'm really looking forward to reading that. What? I'm gladyou're liking it. That's awesome. Well, ladies, this has been so much fun.These these bonus ones always feel like they go by too quickly. Is thereanything else you wanted to mention before we kind of go into our littleclosing and talk about the bookstore again? We just want to thank you for having us.We love all of you. So much. And we're really grateful that you include ustonight. I'm really looking forward to reading your holidays, because justwhat I need right now. I needed a good help, you know? Absolutely. Just then.Well, so thank you all out there for joining us tonight and thank you. Ofcourse, for joining us. Christina and Lauren. It was such a pleasure to haveyou. We hope that all of you out there watching we'll check out in theholidays. Like we said on Wednesday. If there's any year to begin all the joyof the holiday season a little bit early 2020 don't you think? S remember,Bethany Beach Books has our new releases, including in the holidays, onsale for 10% off this week with coupon code. We love F N F 2020 and we alwaysencourage you to shop local to support these great independent businesses thatsupport readers, writers and book lovers everywhere. So anything else?Anybody just all happy? Oh, good luck with the new book. And thank you somuch for being with us. That is a wrap for our latest friends and fiction.Behind the book bonus. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday Happy New Year. To thoseof you celebrating and good night, you've been listening to the friendsand fiction podcast. Be sure to subscribe to the friends and fictionpodcast wherever you listen, and if you're enjoying it, leave a review. Youcan find the friends and fiction authors at w w, w dot friends andfiction dot com A swell As on the Facebook group page, friends andfiction come back soon. Okay? There are still lots of books writing tips,interviews, publishing news and bookstores to chat about goodbye.

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