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Episode 7 · 1 year ago

Friends and Fiction with Delia Owens

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Delia Owens joins Friends & Fiction to discuss her runaway #1 New York Times Bestseller WHERE THE CRAWDADS SING and the surprising background that led her to writing. https://www.deliaowens.com

Welcome to friends and fiction by bestselling authors, andless stories. Friends infiction is a podcast withfive best selling novels, whose common love of reading writing and independentbookstores bound them. Together with chess author interviews and fascinatinginsider talk about publishing and writing these friends discussed thebooks, they've written the books they're reading now and the art ofstory telling, if you love books and you're curiousabout the writing. WORL you're in the right place, bestselling novels Mary K, AndensCristen, Harmel Christ, Woodson Harvey Patty Callahan Henry and Mary AliceMonroe, our five long time, friends with more than eighty published booksto their credit at the start of the pandemic, they gottogether for a virtual happy hour to talk about their books. Your favoritebookstores, writing, reading and publishing in this new uncharteredterritory, they're still talking and they added fascinating discussions withother best selling novels so joined them lie on their friends and fiction.FACEF GRUE page every Wednesday at seven PM, eastern or listen, and youlater at your leisure, welcome to friends and fiction. We arefive best selling novelists and friends. Our common love of reading writing andindependent bookstore binds us together. I Mary Alismonroe and my lades novel ison Ocean Boulevard and I'm Mary K Andrews. My latest novel is HelloSummer. I'm Cristien Harmel. My latest novel is the upcoming the Book of lostnames which ill be out in just a couple of weeks and Chrissy. What's in Harvey,and my latest novel is fiels like falling and I'm Patty Callihan Henryand my latest novel was becoming Mses Lewis and we are all delighted tonightto welcome a favorite author of all of us and most of the World Andgelia Owens,well, Delia, yeah, welcom, Helia, imhere, Adeliis, the author of the Blackbuster,where the crawdads sing this novel has taken the literary and Publishing Worldby storm. It has broken all records and continues to stun the book world withits unceasing popularity. Ninety six weeks on the New York Times bestcellarlist half of those twelve months and more has number one and a bestseller on four concience at the end of the year round. Up for two thousand andnineteen, where the CRAWDEDSI had sold more print copies than any other adultfiction, title that year fiction and nonfiction, I'm thinking by half andit's still going strong onfat Marian Webster added crawded to the list ofthe top ten words of two thousand and nineteen. I think that's asteritalShnooo should know this just doesn't happen every day. Even saying all thesewords, I have to blink and disbelieve, but no author, rites in Tha Vacuum andDelia is a shining example of how one can use one's education, one's work,one's personal experiences and bring them all to the page. Gelia O, I should say Doctor Owens,receive her ban zoology from the University of Georgia and her PhD indanimal behavior from the University of California. She married a fellow GradStudent Markoines and together they sold everything they had and had itheaded Jew Bout, Swana Africa, where they were the only two people,except for a few bands of roving bushman in an area the size of Ireland.Their book cry of the Kalahari is a vivid account of their experiencesthere. They continued in their wildlife...

...research in Zambia, where they're workfocused on elephants, the eye of the elephant, details, their work and theirexperiences to reclaim the wilderness from brutalcommercial poachers in all Delia conducted research on endangeredspecies. If Africa for twenty three years and in addition to her nonfiction books, she published her research in scientific journals. Sowith experiences like that to draw upon, is it any wonder her novel hisunparalleled resilients inpublishing, so Delia welcome to this strong femaleack? Thank you. This is a great yoar, make a great troop Teo. Well, we began fresen diction in Aprilwhen we're all seeking connection and sheltering in place and since then,we've been asking AU guess how have you been dealing for the last severalmonths, so we'd like to know Delia? How have you been dealing? Wi, h shelteringand place these last few months. Actually I've been staying up in themountains North Carolina, which is a great place to isolate, but I spentmuch in my life and isolation when we were in the Calahari. As you said, wewere the only two people in an area o the size of Ireland and I spent much ofthe time little Lon, Wa al by myself and my own camp. So I've spent a lifeof isolation, so I'm used to it in a way, but I also worn how it canadversely affect you. We we have the genetic propensity to belong to tr,especially women M, because most mammals live in pignial, grouce and Um.So I, when you are isolated, it changes you and affected. That's the reason wedo need to it. You progims like this, you should you shouldn't just isolate.You should always stay in contact with your friends and do what you can toobeharb a group as much as it that's really good advice. I think that wefelt reassured by seeing each other and I think, the response to friends indfiction, which is going out every week, sor e imitates what you just said thatwe are our echoes. What you just said that we are reaching people andbringing them together. Don't you all think so? No dead, amsoly marry Ky. Howyou been this last week busy? Writing. Writing. Writing. Writing. Today. Ikilled someone. I you Loke to do that soly, so Um, I only my body count isonly at one which is you know pretty bad, I mean I'm writing. My husband has a bigbackyard garden, and so you know we're picking those squash and the cucumbersand zooks and figuring out what to do with them, how to cook 'em and greenbeans, and so our life is our life as shrunkconsiderably and maybe not in a bad way, but I I do miss. I do miss being out inpublic. I really want to go to a restaurant and have someone wait on me.Iknow AC, you Christie. How have you beenwell? All I can say is that I have been thinking about. You know all of thenames that have been all over Fasebo and Instogram, about people being stuckin the house with their husbands for that long theyneed to call Delia,because she really has everyone, be I mean,forget the quarantine, Um. No I've been doing really well. I've been um workinga time and um ye. I don't know F, everybody knows,but no, no, that I have an interior design, bla and called his in Sheek andam- and I have been like redoing a lot of it t these half few weeks and we'resort of Um doing new features into that' been really fun. It's you know.It's been a good time to get things done and we've just been trying to keepITL well entertained and be outside a lot and have new complaints. I know thelittle kids are a real challenge.

Christien. How are you handling thatand you have a little foyerlav right yeah, my my son Knowi is for and h. Youknow he's going a little stirt crazy and it doesn't help that it's so hotright now in Florida I mean it's hot everywhere, but it's you know. It feelslike temperature as well over a hundred every day, which is you know not verycomfortable to play outside in, but we've been finding socially distancthings to do like. There was a rocket launch yesterday from Kennedy's FayCenter, which is about an hour away, nay to we drove out tost. We just satin the cars we didn't get out, expose ourselves to any expose ourselves. Thatsounds horrible. I never exposed myself to people, that's not too bad ay. Exposing Worse, I'm sorry, Dalia. Iapos what you were saying: It's fulern BU in a very innocent way. We just notexpose ourselves. We stayed at Hecarwe watch the rocket go off and TA. We dida fun little science, experiement with vinegar and baking soda to shoot, offerrocket in the front yard. So we've been TNIKO at IM, ti crowded you from making emtaking that moment to cheach science, good betens, right Danny. How about you?I'm good! I feel like the beginning of all of this was so hard to focus and Delia you, you said you'reaccustomed more accustomed to to be quarantined or isolated. I justabsolutely wasn't, and so the beginning was really hard and sadly orwonderfully. I don't know now. I feel like I'm accustomed and now I I'malmost hyperfocused, you know and part of that''s our morning writing, but Ifeel, like you said, Merihay, that things are getting small like it's kindof pulling in and a e more focused n with the family and working and justthe shear, not unpacking and repacking right Im wo yeah. So I think we're allfeeling that at first we were all maniced about not having bookthore andnow we're all sort of adjusting to my gosh, its the first summer home in along time yeah I wanheedi a Elyou're supposed to be in Europe. Now, aren'tyou GON OABT? Yes, I miss my Eurpean to, butfinally I was so exhausted tha. I was hope to do some of it later and I dohate to miss it. But I was tired. Ogot C actually was supposed to be in Europe.Right now is suused to be an Oxford next week, getting ready to know, and Icried when they canceled it, and now I'm thinking I can't imagine if I'm oleaving anal, so I think we're all shifting. I also think because wethought it was going to get better and now it's getting worse, Aie Wer in Po aget better. I really no, the only reason it was getting better wasbecause we were isolating as soon as we came out otisolation. It was going toget worse again unless we entere very, very, very careful and it ID Wecan'topen up until we've een bever. Very careful. So I looks like we'll I'll bechecking in with each other next week about how we're continuing ourisolation. As you all know, friends and fiction is a passionate, Supportiv,independent booksellers, and each week we highlight one independent andtonight. Gelia chose Malaprop's books in Ashnille, North Carolina andmalogovs is graciously givering. All of your ten percent off the price ofAdelia Owens's books, as well as the recent titles from all of us, so usethe code friends to get through ten percent discount and the link Tor. Thebookstore is posted on our friends and fiction page. So we're going to starttonight with some questions for our guest and I'd like to go first Sodelia.The world knows you are the author of...

...where the craw dancing, but perhaps noteveryone knows all your nobfiction books, ive, read them and I'm swept up by yoursignature, lyrical writing and the beautiful detailed description- andthis is unusual, but I'd like to give our listeners just a really quick peekat the opening of your narrative of secrets of the Savannah gift between the trees of the forest. Amidthe thorny undergrowth under tangles of twisted twigs is a space that is morecolor than place. It is the GRANIS painted by drooping limbs and distantbranches that blurred together and fade into nothingness. It is not a shadowbut a pause in the landscape. Rarely noticed because our eyes touched thetrees, not the emptiness on either side of them and elephants are the color ofthis space. I love that absolutely Loke that N inthis book, Wich the Savannah Secrets of Savannah you introduce gift a babyelephant, an orphan discovered by your camp. You describe how female elephantsin the Matriarchal Group are there for life, but they do not accept or dotstrangers. So this young orphan was alone. She had no family, no one to touch heras you put to tangle trunks with it. So little gift kept her distance. Shewatched the females and family dynamics from afar and you jescry, withoutslipping into Anthopomorphism, how the orphan lived on the edge of her societynever fed or nurtured by humans. I couldn't help but think of the parallelto Kaya and wear the Crawdane, seen the marsh girl who lived and cared forherself on a fringe, never being a part of her society, a girl wholonged forfriends. Now, since Animal Behavioris Sundamental to your books, can you talka bit about how you drew on all your experiences to create this reallymemorable character of Caya Mary als? Exactly right? That's where Kaia camefrom. I observed thmammals in the wild, all the hears and one of the facts that had the most impact on methat fascinated me the most is in social mammals. The groups are made uponly of females, whentury, proded lions on serugetyplans. They see females and cofs and some mal, so everybody thinges a HappyFamily Bun. The males, don't live with the pride. The males come and go. Thevinol groups stay together for all their lives, but the males compete witht e for the opportunityy to mee with the females and they come and go and somating they spen the re. They speltall their lives going from one pride to the next and of course I with myfriends back come said, O me, you had to go all the way to Africa to learnthat males go from one group to the next on Madin Wy, tha females like to hang out withone another. It affected me so strongly to watchthese females. I would watch the female lions Um on the Don tops every evening, lyingtogether with their paws over each other's faces and playing with eachother's clubs, and I realized after year after year of the year of watchingthe elephants with the female groups and the baboons that I was isolated formy tute. I was alone and I didn't have a group and that's what the idea formynovel came from. I wanted to write a bookthat, a novel that would explore how much we are affected when we areisolated. When we are forced to grow up...

...without a group and that's wherecroneds came from MHM and so Kaiah was from gift in particular or just fromoverall was there any I thin Oa Rog a gift was truly Agif.She was the only surbibing calf from a herd,and so she started hanging around our camp and we knew her for many years. Infact, it was so sad because she was all alone and interesting. Biological factis that she had her first calf at half the age that they usually reproduce,because there were no older females around, so she came into Este soonerand had her calf. So, by the time she was the age that she would have had herfirst cashehad m two cats and a grandcat bothat. They started making their own herd. Shewas an also she had started having her offspring atd a younger age before youknew if she had her own little heart and Al hopful yeah. So Olco, yes, rightthat that was one of ways that that nature has to to Comba heavy die off mlamemucing isthat the females start reproducing earlier andand. More frequently it it was fascinating, but it was allit alo, all of that, but also it's very difficult to observe, I'm sure oss and that sort of thing,but- and so that was something that I had to deal with every day, but therewas so much joy also every day and observing animals. I just uloved it towake up and have mions in our camp and elephants every day it was alust. Iwish I was with you. I really th I eanthat's like heaven for me. I can'timagine I'm Kristen, you had a question yeah Um and it actually kind of goesnicely with with what you just discussed Delia. I am such a big Fan of your book.I mean I certainly have obviously not alone in that I've. Read it three timesand I I very very rarely read a book more than once, even so um and I think what kept drawing me to itwas just obviously the plot's, wonderful, but just a beautifuldescription and the way that the setting became a character in it ofitself. I mean the Mars. Just completely came alive for me, and so Iwas curious. You talked a little bit about writing the characters in thebook, but can you talk a little bit about writing the setting and how youbrought that alive and you made just the physical space feel so much like anessential character in the book in N of itself? Thank you for saying that thatwas. That was my goal. I wanted the the marsh and and the slompy areas to be acharacter. The nature is very much a character in this book, because we wetalk about Mother Nature all the time, but we selldom actually treat naturelike a mother. We and we don't actually most peop, don't go through their liveson the day to the basis. Thinking that much about nature, we came from major, it was our firsthome and a lot of the codeds is about is how much we can lurne about humannature from nature itself, and so I wanted to have the natural backweud abig part of the book so that it became obvious to people hat. He was. He was Kia learned from nature. She learnednot only how to get food, how to fiish how to survive, but she'd learned aboutthe Bible from nature. She learned we all have very deep instincts, t thatere ancient and a lot of these insticts that we haveart the guide is to Tord Banyer...

...patterns that aren't necessarilyappropriate in today's world, but if you're having to survive, you needthese instincts, and it's very interesting. W part of the book was astudy on how close these instincts are to the curcus and how they can be usedwhen you need them and Um, it was it'. So for all of thatto work, nature had to be a big part of the book had to be very close by so he did an incredible job wit that SAC f.You did Omary K, you have a question dia, looking at the incredible success ofthis book as a writer, one of the things I wondered was how you've beenable to handle the disruption to your writing life and your personal life,and I think about Catherine Stockat after the amazing success of the helpand how her world was upended with the Glare of publicity, and I wondered howyou've been able to handle them. I mean you've told us a little bit earlier forpeople who are just joining us that you're living now in the mountains ofNorth Carolina. But how have you and has it affected your life? Has itaffected your writing life in your personal life? Well, yes, it was verydifficult to write. I was basically promoting the book fora year and a half and M, and so that it was very difticult to write. Also, Iwas travelling a lot. I think it was on hundred and seventy aeroplanes orsomething of tegot. It was it w. It was hard, but honestly I was. I would never com even think itcomplaining, because I was so thrilled, RIA so thrilled at the reception ofthis book. I was so appreciative and also, I think, because I had anisolated life ot. A lot of friends. Wi was overwilled with this reactionand it just mit a lot to me, and so I came to terms with it. Although it wasso hard and I got tired of traveling, I came returned to the factthat okay, I'm going to have to delay rite in thenext mook a little bit over. I mean there were times I had my laptop out onthe airplane and trying to write, but you know it's it's difficult, and so I just postpounded a bit and d enjoying the ride. ECL. We would Al Love Oride, like that.I think spen and the rides keeps continuinggoing, but in Slowlnn I don' t think I might be the only person who's enjoyingisolation. Actually, we were saying Jalia that forsome of us it's our life hasn't changed all that much I'm redogling on booktore.But isolation is definitely you know, part of the writers life. Certainly atleast mine, I think I speak for most of us, though, that you spend a lot oftime alone and me with animals, and I enjoy that O it as not. Badit waswriting of the solijary sport and right now we're in isolation. It's agood time to write fr m from some points of view. Patty, I see you there hi Patty. Howabout your question? I know you have one. I do Sojelia, I think Um when Idiscovered, which I didn't discover till after I'd read your book and, ofcourse, loved it like everyone here did and because I'm in the low country ofSouth Carolina a lot. You know the march. The descriptions I just was like.I'm GOINGTO stop even trying to describe this. You know you just et insuch an amazing job, but when I discovered that you had written allthis non fiction, I was already a little envious and thenI kind of doubled down on m. most of us can do one or the otherright like we most people write either...

...non fiction or non fiction narrative orthey rite fiction, and you somehow manage to do both and I'm curious aboutthat transition. For you, the transition from nonfiction defiction.Was it deliberate? Did you go into this with an idea? I want to tell a storywith the very particular theme, or did you go into it with the image of Uofyour character in your hand or like what was the impetis for the transition?Was it more famatic or was it that this young girl just came to you, I'm socurious about that transition? I the Don Fiction boot from Africa ofcourse, had to be non a quiction, ecause, ththe story. There were thestories of our lives there and. To me writing. Nonviction is vortof anwe wrote our nonfiction books with a very strong beginning middle and the,and we told them e story form, so they h more like diction than somenownfiction books. I weren't just account of our observations we make. Wewrote them in story form, so I felt like he had a little bit of experiencewith the format of fiction, but I wanted to write fiction because I feltlike I could reach more people. I had this borning desire to tell the story anot like this was a story that so many people needed to hear to try tounderstand where we came from and why we steal the way we do and I wanted toreach people and writing non fiction. Naturlhitoy books is sort of the bottomof t e feeding chain. You know I mean Cathe Cahory was a best seller, and but in that category it just doesn'tsellvery many books and I don't Ren it. I just wanted to reach people I wantn'nKaia to to find her way into a lot of people's hearts, because I hadsomething I wanted to say. AFERAND. There are a lot of things you can sayin fiction that you can't say in Nontagon, and actually I love the transition Idescribe it before. But to me writing on fiction. I written horses a lot inmy life and right writing. Non Fiction is like riding your horse, insiue of acorral, because you have to stay within the facts. You can't just if there's aCaracter, you want to change or a time line you can't. You have to stay withthe fact and then writing Dichon is like riding your horse to the gate andgo wherever you want to go. The only limitation is your ownimagination and if you want a guy to be cur MAK computer, if you want somethingelse to happen, iving in the CO, so it's it's Um the Freem of writing fiction. I lovedit. My Imagination Sword sometimes a little bit too high, but I just I justfound it exhilarating to write fiction and did you feel like you had? You knowI started my life and and two of the other women here on friends and pictionalso started their careers as journalist, and I know when I startedriting fiction, I felt like I had been given permission to tell just the wildest lie, and I the first thing the first book Iwrote, I told in first person, because you know in jourasm you allowd you'renot allowed to do that, and then I also put in a lot of bad words 'cause. I I could ston an U forall those years about and not fiou to dol life. Youknow I just I just was so curious and youanswered it whether it was this burning...

...story that needed to get out or whetheryou just wanted to try. No, I had this borning stortyattimatly Ho a a Yo tellthem Yeh, I think, what's really interesting,Delia N, and why I wanted to read that excerth fro. That was from yournonfiction to me. I and we've all read a lot of nonfiction for I search and alot of it is pretty cut and dry. But I think what I wanted to show isthat your beautiful aricism is there in your non fiction as well. It does readlike a story, I I read them all and they're all just really beautiful books.Thank you. You know it's interesting to me to think about. It's almost incrate me if I'm Ong, because this isjust something I've been thinking about lately, it's almost like descriptive.Writing has become a dirty word in literature. I mean Um, we LIVN. We livein such a fast paste, wirl and, as you all know, probably much better than Ithat literature involves with our current lifestyles and our culture, andyou know when we live in the collahorry. Sometimes we'd only get our mail onceobe six months, W yeah wow wan to download something, and it says it'sgoing to take sixty seconds. I go Sey Sedi, O iand so impatient now, and we wanteverything right now and so description weo. You can't have too muchdescription is like too much sugar in your tee, but it's a something likethat or literature people don't want to read. They want to get to the pointreally fast, so for the last twenty thirty years Idon't know it's light, this less and last description and II. Thinkdescription is great as long as it moves the story forward. I think it'sGrerat it. It sesly the reader in place D and help some smell and sea and feellike they're there so think you have to be very careful, but do youagreeentthme? I N. I just fe like the sub discrimination against descriptionfun now, but I can't write a novel without it that's their characters inmy books, and you know because of the nature factor, and I think I think itdoes depend on what kind of a book you're writing too, but I think,certainly when landscape is so critical to the story to move it forward.Absolutely you can't, but there's a difference between writing fictiondescription where you I' just Sayi the the tree is green and the water's blue.It's you look at it. You know you use it and I think it good writing is whenthe description is on the point of view of the characters and an indusy motion. Yes, that's the whole point is th ofwords, the white words, not how many wars Wut the right word so that AcalemSinors Aword, that this brings a picture into the reader's mind, but youci Ha that sletter in your heart a I'm going to go to you because youknow you've a question about potry and I think that is a key of poetry ishowhe sings. So yet you have the flutter in your heart. That was areally good cigarette, a absolutely loved the poetry andcrawdads and Mary Alis, and I were discussing before you came on that aswe were reading the book. We both thought that this was a real polet andyou know we're going to go and look for this poetry, and I was thinking howhave I never heard of this poet. I am so deam. This is Um Tho interesting. Soso I have sort of a multipart question, but I just you did write the poetry andTeboka Zact crack. I wrote the potry all the Qorter of Amana Hamilton, IDT called a few real poets short a man toHanmel, yes, but a man to Hamilton wise...

...was your pardry, so it was. It wasabsolutely beautiful. You did such a great job with that, and did you alwaysknow that that was going to be an important aspect of this story, or wasthat something that sort of unveiled itself to you? As you were, writing H I di very early, and that when I wasstill just planning the story, I thought it would be so fun and I haveto be very careful hear about not giving the spoilers, but I mean there'sa reason that the portry is in there and part of the plot, and so I can't say too much Imean we try not to get spoilless youre right or we not trea pe. Don't no HAVFed, that's true exactly I no Weri Canbe, so to put the portry in there d and haveit bepart the plot in away the way it turned out ti mo that ianitdid it didenhance the novel and honestly I I wanted to buy Amandohamilton smok Ou sa Pois Yor lautry. We, it waswonderful. I really wie very much. Alwaysw always wanted to go back andhave another chance to sort of fin to the quorter lttl better, an ever o its tefic. It is perfect. So did weall ask questions? I just want to make sure. Yet I thought so all right, sowe're going to just take a moment to highlight our bookstore, so itcontinues to be a tough time for all locally owned bookstores and as peoplewho love books as we all do, we want to try to encourage people tosupport their local bookstores. So if you're interested in picking up one ofour new releases tonight so delias wear the crawdance sing and all thenonfictionbe cried the Calahari secret of the Savannah and I d the Elephant.My Aunt Ocean Boulevard, Christie's feelds, like balling Mary Cay, hallowsummer and Patty's, becoming MSS Lewis and Christian's upcoming very soon. Thebook of lost names please take advantage of the great tempercent oDiscount Right now offered by melaprop's books, the codist friendsand the lete to the bookstore is on our friends and fiction page. So we've hada chance to ask some questions. PERDELIA petty. Would you like to askDelia the reader questions, so we stole these off our deed and if we ask allthe questions that people put on that feed we'd be here tomorrow morning.Still people are so excited about talking toyou, and so these a tobe chosen randomly because there were so manygreat questions, but the first one is from Mary Lenen Setin Aquino et. I saidall of those wrong. She said my question is this: This mapel has to bemade into a movie. I hope who do you see in the role of Caya? Well, first of all, it is going to bemade into a movie D. is the producer and it's being theStudiois somy and thet screamwlay has been written there. Choosing directorsnow- and you know I just this- is embarrassing,but I appreciate the question I don't I never get to go to a movie Ni, don't know any young actresses. I need to learn some, and so I can sayit when people ask this Pressone, I really don't know who can be. Who wouldbe appropriate, so I'm sure the Jew, someone great but M. I with some of th,some of the booksilns people asked me...

...who I thought should play Tate Ou, wthe really cut guy and O. I said, I'm sorry, it's been so long since I'vebeen the movie. I have no idea in the last person. I know who would beapproprate would be Robert Radborki think he still halls up. I'd have aged out for tape, young actors, but thank you for thequestion. Howo new girls Dooo, like do you Syeah, who do you see, asked Haya, I'm so bad at her? I just stil bad tooa said I do, but I do want to say really quickly because I do think we'regoing to have time for a couple of questions live from the feed. So I amsitting here watching Youll COMENTN COM in so, if you have questions to answerthe Ma, ask them now so that I can pull them out for you. I O oat Hollywood andDad Milly. Do you know who, when, when the movie's expected to come out, doyou have any target Gates Wellwu? They they want to Mer along very quicklythey'r already talking about places to film and that sort of thing anywherealong the coast, whether it might not be in North Carolina BMIGHT, be SouthCarolina Georgia, a lot of the marshes the same through out that area, and Iknow they wan to get started right away, but of course also with the the virusthat could complelat Teonis word all right. So the next question is fromAshley Kurran crawdads was such a huge head. Yep abut when would O nextbook come out? I am minding my next book. I have told Mary Allison Te Taastr. She helpedme so much with Um the importance of the first draft and Ihad finished the first dreft and so envious o like I don't have a canvass until Ihave the first breath and O so long because of all that travelling and theyI'm thankful that I did more some during that time. Otherwise I wouldhave finished my tour and been starting at scrap andte. You know quite a bitdone, but I have the first Brath Nowan. I am going to I hate to say when that's going to comeout. I just don't know, but it will be awhile, but I'm working on it every day and I'm going to do it as soon as I can.But I don't like to rush I'm going to take my time. It's going to be model after promets. In the sense, it'sgoing to be another treis on how our behavior came from nature, and thetheme of this book is going to be exploring the evolution of maledominance in mammels an I first Oline for that and snannelsthe male's a dominance, and we can go back in evolutionary time and know whenand why that happened. WH. I think it's fascening to the fan. I can hardly wage therare, not manyvery very few. One of the e few mammals of which the females or Domon arespotted hines, Wonde, they're, always laughing er ting that in Youe Gott somehom gotatayi hilariom Christi. Can you pull out two questions in the life? I canokay, so the first on licahany wants to know. Do you haveconversations with your bookcharacters? I wonder if she means you mean like.Currently...

...you mean, as I'm writing or the walkingaround the house. I mean I dee very. I feel very much like Iknow them. I know them very well, they're, very personal to me. I can't say that IV had actualconversations with them. I, like O O. I love to have a conversation with tage Idon't feel I, but I feel like. I knowthem very well: Catcher theere, Alos too close. We don't need to talk. You just have that mind, mallow CI onHar, there's that joke that people think writers are Pitzafreni 'cause,we're always talking these anful in our head, but go ahead Cristan. Yes,somebody want to ask me in a book event, if I thought I had like a problem, a nI was like Wellif. I do. I needed to not stop, because o e not have a careeranymore. WAE page wants to know- and I don'tknow if you can answer this, but she wants to know why did Kaia live herlife and not have children O Thaa good question? The main reason for a plotperspective is the the point of her life was to show how isolation affectsus. If she'd had a child that changes that and so th, I thought it was important for theplot for her toethe story to be complete, that she did live, that lifeof Isolationh Yeah Thaoh, that's very good. I never thought of that. Thatmakes sense now Yalso. I'm sure you all understand very well that you can'thave too many things happening at the end and and ri a lot of things thathappened at the end of this book and Al Day, Ay Baby. No, I would ave just bookonesii her thing. Oting A is ejoy Armstrong onts to know if youcould be any of the characters from crawdads. Who would you be and whyhat's a great question Hwell I feel like I am Kaia in a way. Oh, I thinkthat there's a lot of mee in Kaia, but I think there's a lot of Kaia in all ofus, so I think it would have to the answer that would be Kaa and I knowthat she had a hard lihe, but I don't know anybody who's at an easy life, andI just think that she shows us we can do so much more than we think we cansheis so strong and powerful against so many different odds, and I just ilove that so yes I'll be kie.Okay, il I'll, be dying. Ow I iinagine Yeah Ce. She was so strong and she was likegibs. She created her own herd so to speak, tiiscribe, so that's very cool anyone else have any questio. Do wehave any more questions before we move on to the writing chip christieeanymore? That Y, I mean we culd. We can do as many as you want to so you do youwan as one more okay, pervect Um, Melanie stickler falconer wants to know.What do you like to read when you're? Not Writing. You know. I need a lot more non fictionthan fiction to be really honest and so ilove books like Peter Masfhason, thesnow levard on Belmorcum West, with the nights altolepo. I love to read naturebooks, any dillerd Ilov a good novel, but I just actually read a lot ofscience, related journals and so forth. So that's mainly what I rean to answeryour question. That's what I'l like to be and that actually ties in with yourresearch for the book that you're writing too. So it all goes hand. ToandIGT. I think we'd had enough of the questions. Thank you all tohaving enout there who had questions ATELIA. If you'd like to join us on friends andfiction page, there are Gazillian...

...questions that you can just freelyanswer any time, I'm sure everyone would love it, and now, every week wehave a writing tip now. I have to say you've already given us any number ofwriting tips. Well, ask Ou for all the deers out there who are interested inlearning how to write or just wanting to hear what is your writing tip? This is sort of an odd one, but mywriting to is that I always stay very conscious of thereader, sometimes almost and not literally, very often, but imagine thereadare sitting next to me and I d every paragraph I write almost everysince I'm always saying Oky am I boring the reader. I do not want to bore thereader. I do not want to confuse the reader. I do not want to insalt thereader by overexplaining something, and so I really think about the reader alot and it terrifies me. I sometimes tal go on three paragraphsor something oth La No. No, no, no, no nonobody's going to really want to readthis that I'm insult, I mean boring my reader, and so I don't know why. Butthat works fon me to to really feel strongl and feel the reader close by.Are you conscious of that during your first Drat as well? Oh, yes, oh Wowso, that's great and that's I get in a lot of trouble in the firstdraugt with the render a lot of trouble. It's so interesting because there aresome things: Peol, don't think about this! That there's something the readerdoesn't want to read and the rider doesn't want to Rie like backgroundstuff, yea, here's this family in the marsh and how did they get there? Howdid they actually get in the Mor? Well, the reader needs to know that, but theydon't want to know they don't want three pages of backway on the Ho theygot there. They just want to know how to Ha hacertain things you have to behave to answer. You have to write it, but you realize nobody really wants toread, and you just don't like that port, butitsway keeping the rootovery much in my mind, W when it comes to riding thatpart of it MHM itihand it's different than what you've heard before, with areally Gontep we're all thinking as Gointo say no iasm going to say, Ifeel like those are the parts in the Buk that I tend to like skip ever andlike make myself inno like explain how Blah Blah Blah E. I don't want to talkabout it. Nobody wants to read it. It's like te you're, just like ' thenecessary part of the story. Hat It's not inspiring and not Oah, and that's hard with the description.In particular. I think you ov to know whims too much and ONS enough. It really is. Sometimes you have tohave someone else. Tell you and there's always somebody to tell you oh yet they will let you know thank you.That was a great chip all right, a Mary K, I'm curious. We always like to knowwhat we're all reading we heard from you Julia. So Mary came: What have youbeen reading? Lady? Lately, a have been reading this great book. It's calledthe sweetie sisters, Byln Dolen, and it's a book about the stories aboutthree sisters. Their father is a very famous novelist and he passes awayunexpectedly and they discover right at the funeral and there are three sisters,but at the funeral or I'm close to getting to the funeral, they discoverthere 'is a fourth swinny sister, so Um, I think I mean I have had sisters a lotof us have sisters and so so far it...

...moves. I love it and it'sh land, Dolan,Dolan, Lian, the Sweeni sisters and I'm really enjoying it, and I think a couple of other peoplehad some books. They wanted to mention KRISTA. You had a book yeah, so this iscalled Lake Life it's by David James poisont. I now my light shining on it,but it comes out next week and it's just a really lyrical beautiful novelabout a family in crisis over the course of a single weekend at therNorth Carolina Lakehouse. So it's actually a DAB novel. The author is ina claimed, short story wraiter, and he had a wonderful collection of shortstories a few years ago, but this is his first novel Um Lake Life DavidJames poisont out next week, and it's fantastic thank you. WE WONT BE SURE TOPOST The titles of those books on the priends and fiction page as well as I'lput the titles of all the nonfiction of Delia op, the not on our friends infiction page. So you can all follow up on this. If you go to our page- and Ihope Yo, all of you out- there do join our friends AF diction page. We have ashow every week, Wednesday night at seven o'clock and we hope you'll joinus all right. We havent speaking of which we have an amazing roster ofauthors coming to friends in fiction, Kristen you're in the host next week.Can You let us snow about your guest, I'm actually hosting the next guestepisode, which is not till July fifteenth next week? I think its a justUS episodes yeah, which I think er very cay. Are you hosting that one? I can'tremember and hed t look back at the schedulew y. You know all of you outthere F, if you're new to us, if you're new to friends in fiction definitelycome back next week. It's a great chance to know the five of us whofounded friends in diction back in April and we've been going strong.We've been doing this every Wednesday night at seven pm Eastern and then onJuly, fifteenth the week after next we have jamine Gillery, whose party of twojust came out last week and debute at number eight on the New York Times listtoday: Oreally Orand Ne Wea July twenty second, wehave cannon drew from the platinum selling band sister Hazel, who Hav morethan three million albums sold and who are going to talk to us aboutstorytelling and song rating and they might even sing for us which ouber. Butso we cans do that's t first or ave we put in song request, but what Hrston is not mentioningsomething because the important thing about that episode, Ave book is goingto be out, I'm back. They CAG throughtay time try to handle. We halfright here te book O Na. Thank you. THAT'S NOTHIN OBOUT! So next week with the L with the drustdust, it's always a lot of fun because as how we get to just talk amongstourselves as they say, but I have to say Jelia this wasn't so hard. Was itto talk to join this crazy group of strong females? This is wonderful. Thisis great. I really feel like I'm in the middle of I don't know. Maybe behind the clant we do not want to be hinus. We could beanything else about a pevated to o e prowd of lions, be like the cricketsbetter. I lov Hn Thi, but anyway, so myonsAepha, tabs 'n great Yo wa great herd. It was thank yound well, pretty much. We Al, Irealy appreciate you had O me. It was so great to get to know you bit betterand it was a lot of fun. One of the things I wanted to tell our viewers.This was Delia's. First Zoom appearance, yebefore, someone Zo an was so scared y wonderful. I was so scared Siyce, the woman wholived alone in Africa. Nobut we yor caving there, ankr ovanything. We want one. One final thing...

...before everybody goes. We want toremind you too, if you haven't already follow all of us on Instagram, whereyou can get a glimpse into our lives. What we're doing what we're writing,what we're growing wit or INGARY, decorating, wewer Gess, all all ofthose things and what we're reading we talk about that too. So the links toall of our instraram ages are up on the friends in fiction sit. So if youhaven't already, please start following us: He'll now you better e!! now, yes, I doyou AV ENTA good. It willfollow you tru Ar. Are you looking at bears in theNorth Carolina Mountains? The bears are looking at me and I lookat the bears the there's a lot of barrass. Here I have one who say thewinner in a treegin seriously twenty yards on Mit, my deck.I Wan one of the things, that's so greatabout your Jeck, though you can see from so far over to on the mountains,and there was a red cail Hawk that literally just doe down right beside myhead and went down. Do you remember that was ou're way up you're like in a treehouse which is super cool? Also, the mountains are a safe place to be dream.All this e aser Ogrm fortunit, everybody Delia. You are a joy. I meanI've been holding back as there's so many things I want to talk to you about.You just have such a wealth of knowledge and information. The way youlook at the world is so fascinating, which I think is why your books are sobeautiful. So I hope everyone tonight will order, wear the CRADADS sing andgo to Maloproft's books, which is an Ashfal,a wonderful bookstore and they're, offering you it te percent discount onall Delia's books, as well as the books of all of us, and remember. We wanttodsupport our independent bookstores they're having a tough time just like alot of small businesses, and we want to support them and visit us on ourfriends, infiction page. It's a group PAV on facebook and our instigrammpages and thinks to all of you for joiting us this, his friends in fiction-and we will see you right here next Wednesday night at seven o'clock, muchlove Dwall, think you Gelia whil you PA maing, somuch Majoyou, shoudnight, okay hat was thet wit AAn. She as yeah the way she sees the world. It allbrings all that experience him it's just well at has mayly. You can see why shewrote about Kaa, you hear about how she lived. It just makes so much sense 'cause whenyou're Gott t the first time you're like a girl alone in the marsh. Why Ema?But once you hear about how she lives right, Hill toget, her mail, we'retalking, I that'sthat's, that's serious isolation II would not do all with thatwhen she was talking about Matriarchal, Um Societies. I was thinking about. Iused to love the Tony Hillerman novels, which are about the NABAHOS and theyhave a matriarchal society, everything about the NABAHOSIS traceddown through the matriarcl lineage and a ND. I thought thatas kind ofinteresting. There aren't many Western societiesthat roll that way, no, not at all- and you know when I thought about- Iremember with Kaia when I first started...

...reading it. I actually had to suspendmy belief, like you Patty, where I thought come on an eight year old,really nine year old, and then I read her history and I thought okay. I canbelieve this, but when I was reading this secres of Ha Savannah- and I heardabout that little gift, my inclination was to o feed that baby take care ofthat little baby Elefich, but in nature you have to let it roll out in the waynature would demand, and she did it. Hadt been so hard, not t you with mytwenty two year old. Listen, I'm not going to ceed you anymore, just'cause! You were in the house, beco O Hav yorter. I actually read it and Iremember people being like. I mean how could I I think she was six like whenshe, when this lie first started, and maybe her mother left- and I rememberthinking I think, a little while wis six, the time and ating, I actually seehim Kinda surviving in the wild anycasaymy Grandso can't even take offhis swinsuit by himself. What he's for and very like hefilled things, and hejust knows things JS. I was like te all right, not in out but yea it'sno, to find outpleas Y, I'm so glad Youe brought up Christy about the poetry ohyes. Thankyou for that pot hat was sac a great question and I did love it, and thatwas so funny that we both thought. That was a real poet ecause. I really didn'tSai e. This is so good. I need to buy a book of this woman's Powetruh. I know,and I always think that poetry is one of the highest forms of writing,because you know each word is so important and when I read that I justthought wow, who is this beautiful writer and of course, I'm she's. Justan Ema y read the Non Fiction: It's just he other's. Why I WANO J them. That's areal trouble. Thrat I mean. Can You vaniswrate poetry or you poet? I knowyou campatting no you're laughing. I know you can write poetry. I firmlydisagree because, actually because of wear the crawdancing, I put my I writesome portry not a lot nonot a lot, but I've always been really shy about itand because we know Marjorye, Wetworth, hoghs, t e, brilliant poet and I put apoem in the Front of on Ocean Boulevard and it's the first time I ever did that.I I was shaking in my boots. I'll be honest. It it's scary. It is somethingtotally different. It's Tefa Ertin! Well, I read poetry every day, yeahprobtyis, a great Um Poetr. I don't know I I think. Unfortunately, a lot ofus, maybe not Patty, but a lot of us. I think over the years lose our thirstfor poetry. You Know Day today details of everyday life. Ithink kind of wring that out of us, but I know for myself when I do go back topoetry. I remember in high school, I love poetry, MH, OV, T, William Cara Eand Sil up, but I have found potry to be as same ingrace for me during the during this pandemic. I start every morning andI've been living with my sisters and my husband up at the mountain house, andwe start every morning by reading each of us rrads a poem and it just elevatesthe day. It just brings it to another level and I think, maybe any anythingwe can find that elevates our spirits during a I just write fake songmiricks,if you'll all recall from Marialle woris. I so is aid, I n Haber and ifyou were oin o last week, you know that I dream about them, because I'm writingthongs of James Taylor and my dream. So I mean I don't know that I can actuallywrite them in my dreams. I write killer songs in my own head. That's the ChapelHill connection. I think with James. Do imust be his NE. He his father was whathead of the MED school yeah ch Ye yeah, that's a great book. If youif anybodyout there hasn't listend to it, he has...

...a new audible original out. I can'tremember what it's balled, but I listene a good day came out. I I do ithYo, it was wonderful, it wasn't the first concerts I ever went to. I don'twant to say how long ago it was, but I will say, Tha James Taylor was touringon sweetbaby James and the warm up act wasa woman. No one had ever heard of called Carol. Ki Garol Turie. Well,nobody Dihin ta written respect, caphestry had not yet in Relatieso,that's my rock concert. Yeawar was actually one of the first concerts thatI ever went to also was James Taylor. Arty years later he tole o saying likethat is a career. I mean you know to be able to sustain that kind of success. Imean it's like where the CRAWDADS I ma can imagine having written yourvery first book and have that kind of response. Anaming it tols, I wouldthink, be daunting to write your second. You know I think. Well, you knowMargaret Michel, Patty Yo, you studied her, you don't know her, but youstudied her. She never choke you're, not that oldshe never wrote another novel. Did she everdescribe? Why and harverly never wrote another book, Wer horbirly had startedanother one and Oh yeah yeah. There is a book about it that came out last year and I can'tthink what it was head. She had started working on another novel, inspired by aTrue Crime Story and the book that came out last year. Batidino came out lastyear and it was um e Sad, a watch movie. She did yeah no Wasa wote used to forOde atitues. No, this was a there's, a a nonfiction book about the true crimestore she wanted to writ wig w yeah. But I think, and Margaret Mitchell saidthat the reason she couldn't write was because she was too busy keeping upwith her correspondence. Rightthe letters were noting him and then, ofcourse, she was hit by a cab and and killed before she tries other book,it's the terriblest ending ever but yeah. She just said that that that thatbook took over her life between her and her husband, t e. allthey did was answer correspondencs and deal with foreign rights nd, and allthat she could never write again oin. That period of time, though gone withthe wind was sort of like where the condencing had just hit the world bystorm Yeah. So that makes sense well on that. No, ladies, I know we all havedinner waiting, no Huntin love to see you yeah. I think that whatwhat'll be a great just this question is what everybody's first concert was,so we're going to save that ar got I a Barjo, Haan stuff. I embarrassed oers in charge next week have to ad ate a heost next week. I think it's Getor, a yeah, think I am right. Ladies goodnight, everybody good night Englan, I was Graigt, so you in the morning by you've, been listening to the friendsand fiction poncast, be sure to subscribe to the friends and fictionpodcast wherever you listem, and if you're enjoying it t, leave a review.You can find the friends and fiction authors ant. WWW, dot, friends andsiction dot come as well as on the facebook group, page friends andfiction come back soon. Okay, there are still lots of books. Writing gipsinterviews, publishing news and bookstores to chat about goodbye.

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