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Episode 11 · 1 year ago

Friends and Fiction with Fiona Davis

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Fiona Davis joins the Fab Five to discuss her new release THE LIONS OF FIFTH AVENUE, a Good Morning America Book Club Pick. http://www.fionadavis.net

Welcome to friends and fiction. Fivebest selling authors endless stories. Friends and fiction is a podcast with five bestselling novelists whose common love of reading writing in independent bookstores bound them together.With chats, author interviews and fascinating insider talk about publishing and writing, thesefriends discussed the books they've written, the books they're reading now and the artof storytelling. If you love books and you're curious about the writing world,you're in the right place. Best Selling Novelists Mary K Andrews, Christen Harmel, Christie Woodson Harvey, Patty Callahan, Henry and Mary Alice Monroe are fivelongtime friends with more than eighty published books to their credit. At the startof the pandemic, they got together for a virtual happy hour to talk abouttheir books, their favorite bookstores, writing, reading and publishing in this new,unchartered territory. They're still talking and they've added fascinating discussions with other bestselling novelists. So joined them live on their friends and fiction facebook group pageevery Wednesday at seven P M Eastern, or listen in view later at yourleisure. Welcome everyone for such a spectacular and special nights to night. Thisis friends in fiction. Five best selling novelists end list stories. You haveno idea the stories we want special this week we are five writers and friends. He's common love of reading, writing and independent bookstores binds us together,along with our love for a few other things like kids, decorating, laughterand supporting each other. And and this is our weekly friends and fictions show. I'm Patti Callihan Henry and I am hosting for our guests tonight, Davis. My latest historical novel is called becoming Mrs Lewis. Hi, and I'mMary Ellis Monroe and I am the author of on Ocean Boulevard and the rereleaseof the Book Club. Hi, I'm Mary Kay Andrews and my latest bookis Hello Summer. Hi, I'm Christin Harmel and my latest is the bookof last names. I'm Christy Woods and Harvey and my latest book it feelslike falling. And as you can see, we have an incredible guest tonight.We are so thrilled to have fumed us to talk about her new book, the Lions of Fifth Avenue, which comes out on August four. Butbefore we get started, we have some really exciting news. Are Christin Harmel'sbook, the Book of lost names that we have been talking about for acouple weeks and had a big party for last week. Today we found outjust hit the New York Times list. We're sping ex DA. I knowthere's a whole show to do, because I just say it, I'll postthis on the page too, but thank you, thank you. Thank youso much to all of you who supported it, who read it, who'vesaid Nice things, who've showed up every week. I it's friends and fiction, you guys. It's the friends and fiction magic. Thank you. Welove you. Were proud of you and that I look. It's a powerfulbook. Man, we're so exact. So let's talk about Fiona. SoFiona and I first met at a book festival in Atlanta, Georgia, forremember of you, outside it was about a hundred and ten degrees. ButI met her through her work long before then. Wait, do you guysremember? Book Festivals? Like something from another time, I believe, thedream of life before covies, when we didn't even know the word covid orsocial distancing in the bathoms wearing a mask except in a hospital. Well,things have changed in a blink, but Fiona's powerful work only gets better.This. Second time we met was in New York City at Grand Central Stationfor Martini. So yes, I feel like it fell into one of herhistorical novels and it was quite grand. So I'm thrilled she's here with us. So let me just give you a brief bio about Fiona. She isnot the character and Shrek and that began her career in New York City asan actress, where she worked on Broadway, off Broadway and in regional theater.After getting a Master's degree at Columbia Journalism School, which sounds like maybeone of fewer characters. Say Yeah, without giving anything away, she fellin love with writing, leap frogging from editor to freelance journalists before finally settlingdown as an author of historical fiction. Fiona's books have been translated into morethan a dozen languages. She's a graduate of the College of William and Maryand is based in New York City, which is where she is right now. Lions of Fifth Avenue is her fifth...

...novel, and my Right, isit the fifth? Yes, and is set in the New York City PublicLibrary. Each of her historical novels are set in a historical building in NewYork, and let me remind you that if you have a question for Fiona, we're going to be pulling some lives probing the post it during our friendsand fit fiction facebook page and we'll pull them. But before we get started, I also want to remind you that one of the reasons we all gotstarted on this endeavor is our love for independent book stores. As you allknow, all of us at friends and fiction are passionate supporters of booksellers.Each week we highlight one indie bookseller and tonight Fiona chose it for us,and it is called books on the common in Connecticut, and they are graciouslygiving you ten percent off the books and the link to the book store isposted on the friends and fiction book page and Fiona has left signed copies therefor you lucky viewers. So, Fiona, welcome. Thank you all. Goingto talk about our week, but first we want to know how haveyou been doing during this crazy pandemic time? Like the rest of us at friendsand fiction, your book tour got canceled or postponed for the lines ofFifth Avenue. So where have you been spending your time and how is itnot being on the road for this incredible novel. Tell us what's going on. You know, I have to say the team at Detton, my publishers, my agent, they really mobilized in as early as March, in April, and so even though there's not a physical book toward the virtual book touris incredible and I'm talking with lots of wonderful people and other authors for theneck for pretty much all of August and I can't wait because even though itis virtual, you're still making contact with readers and I think that's so important. I will miss the signing line, you know. Yeah, usually youhave a couple of minutes with someone, but but they'll come back. Soin the meantime we're figuring it out. And where have you been spending mostof it? Have you been in the city this whole time or if you'vebeen able to get away? You know, I'm very lucky where last April Ibought a house just a little north of the city. It's a sfarmhouse. It's just a perfect getaway. So I have gotten away and I'vespent a lot of time there. I come into the city every so oftento catch up on things, but it's really lovely. It's got a pondand a Hammock, and so I work and then I go reread in theHammock. And you know, we're very, very lucky as writers that we workfrom home. So things haven't changed in terms of that. And Yeah, I've just been soaking up every minute of the the countryside. That's amazingfor you. So, before we dive into our questions for Fiona, Kristenhas a special welcome to some other unseen guests tonight. Christine, want totell us. Yeah, thank you, Patty. I don't think we sayit enough, but we are so grateful to facebook for providing this platform wherewe can all connect this way. I mean without facebook I don't think wewould have friends and fiction, at least not on this scale, and sowe wanted to say thanks for that. And in addition to welcoming our friendsand fiction members tonight, which are Fourteenzero of you. Now, I can'tbelieve it. We put fourteen thousand like what is happening. But in additionto that, we also wanted to say a big hello and welcome to anyonewatching tonight on books and Facebook, which is a big page run by facebookitself. So if you're catching us there, and you love books. We hopeyou will join us over here at friends and fiction to thanks love.So, Fianna, we each have a question for you, but before weshoot those at you, tell us about the lions of Fifth Avenue. Wecall it the dreaded elevator pitch, but it can be like a really longelevator, like the kind that goes to the top of the Empire Student Ring. So take the time you need, but tell us a little bit aboutthe book before we dive into our questions. Sor Yeah, so I write booksthat are set in New York City landmarks, and this one said atthe New York Public Library, and it's in two timelines. So in onethousand nine hundred and thirteen it's from the point of view of a woman namedLaura who lives inside the the Public Library and a seven room apartment that actuallyexisted, with her husband, who's the superintendent, and their kids and she'slives in this apartment surrounded by all this knowledge, but she wants something moreout of life and so she applies to Columbia Journalis from school, and thatthis is back in one thousand nine hundred and thirteen. It was in itssecond year of existence and she gets in our and her world is really blownwide open. And then the other timeline is in one thousand nine hundred andninety three, from the point of view of Sadie, who's a curator ina special rare book collection in the library that actually exists, called the burkecollection, and she is putting on an exhibit of rare books and one goesmissing and she's kind of drawn into this series of book that's that occurred eightyyears ago, as well as a tragedy that happened to the superintendence family backthen. And I like to say it's about the magic of the written wordand the power of women's voices. Beautiful.

Oh good, so I get togo first because I'm the host tonight, and so I want to ask youwhat we have been asking all of our guests and what we've asked eachother too. So I'm going to ask you strayed away. How was readingand writing valued in your home growing up? Do you think it had anything todo with you becoming a writer? Was it's a home where it wasencouraged or discouraged? What were the values around all of that when you wereblowing up that's such a great question. I I've never been asked that before. Yeah, you know, we moved around a lot when I was akid and the one constant was going to the library. And every week mymother would put me in my brother in the car and we go to thelibrary and he'd go to the train section and I would go to horses andand Judy Bloom and and we would take out three or four books each andcome home and sit and read. And we're really a family that when weall get together, we sit in the same room and read quietly and andso it was very valued and I was just enraptured by books early on andthat just never changed. I think it's I love the question because it givesus such insight into the kind of writers we are, how we grow up. Okay, Mary K Andrews, I know you have a question and takeit away, baby. I do. You know, I'm always interested,Fiona in process, and so my question was, do you have a listof New York City buildings that intrigue? You mean, I know you haveset stories and iconic places like the Dakota where John and Oka, John andYoko, lived at the time twister. Yeah, John and Yoko and theChelsea Hotel where lots of scintillating stories habit barbason is. The more you know, this is like a three part question. I'm hogging all the time, butthat's okay, you do. Yeah, is the Lions the first book you'veset in a non residential talk building? I mean, I know you saidthat there was an apartment there, but is this a little bit ofa departure? Not really the the third book that took place at Grand CentralTerminal was said in a place that was in the residence, but it's setat the art school that was there, called the Grand Central School of art. And you know, I'm always looking for the surprise in each landmark becauseI know that's what readers will be drawn to. And so the fact thatthere was this amazing art school in in Grand Central that was there for twentyyears, had nine hundred students a year. That to me was I thought,okay, that's okay, it's all right that there's no one living there, because my first thought was with I have like a commuter fall in lovewith a train conductor, you know, and so once I figured that out, it was fine. But yeah, most of them have been residential,which is so much easier because you can have a crazy cast of characters reallybang into each other easily when they all live in the building. And doyou start with a protagonist in her story or in move her into the setting, or do you have the setting first and then figure it out? Iusually start with the setting and do a lot of research. And with theNew York Public Library, when I was doing a deep dive into the NewYork Times archives and I found this article that was written on the retirement ofthe superintendent and it talked about how he lived in the family, with hisfamily in the building, how his daughter was born in the library, andthis is back in nineteen the nineteen pens, and that the kids used to playbaseball in the library using books as bass until they got caught. Andand you know, it's those things that I'm here. You find that thatis you're researching something just just sparks you and sparks often and you're off andrunning on on and then I thought, okay, it's this different ten it'sfamily. Whose point of view? And I immediately thought the wife. Youknow, what was she thinking? And because I'm interested in the way womenlook at the world and how that's changed over time or not amazing. Ikind of got chills last that, Mary Alice. Yeah, that actually feedsinto my next question, and that is that when you you usually most ofyour books the addressed, the doll house, the masterpiece and, of course,the you can struct your novels around the lies of two women, onefrom a past pasked era and one from relatively modern era. And these women, I think, are very strong, there forward thinking, and yet theyhave struggles and they're struggling against economics, the either the constraints of economics,as well as restrictions of who women are in that period of time. Mysteryseen as a secret that has to be unraveled. So I look at yourbooks as part social history, part mystery and hear Andy for those of uswho love historical building, and I think...

...that's a winning combination. So myquestion is, what inspired you to come up with this framework, this formatand and as an acide, let me just say big Kudos to you forstard review on your very first now that's pretty impressive. Thank you. Thankyou so much. You know, I think I started writing the books Ihadn't written anything. I'd been a journalist and I had this idea around writinga book about the Barbazon Hotel for women only, because I wanted to readit, you know, and I was in my mid S. I hadn'twritten a book ever before. I didn't think I was the type of personto write a book, but this story just stuck with me and I hadI had to try. And I just love dual timeline books there there,I'm always drawn to them. They're my favorite, and so I thought,Oh, I'll do a dual timeline. That'll be fun. If I hadany idea how hard it is. What aboot? It's crazy, and thenthrowing a mystery on top of it. I mean there are days that myhead is just spinning and I have to go and eat a lot of cheesein order to once I got known for the dual timeline landmark building, Iwas like, all right, let's do it, and so every books it'sa real joy because I am being I am able to show how things havechanged over time or not. Like my character Laura in the ten s getsdrawn into this club called the Heterodoxy Club, and it's a real club that wasfounded by this feminist organizer and in the s. They were talking aboutthings like women's rights, birth control, the right to vote of course,even free love, and these are things that we associate s and s really, and so the idea that this was a discussion going on at that time, I thought, oh, that's great, I have to tap into that andshow that. And so that's half the fun is showing how things havechanged or not, and the dual timeline really does help with that. Yeah, but the Barbazon was that was a team spot and we all, alot of us, wanted to know what it was like. So I it'sa book and I desire to look at other historic buildings. Oh, Imay have missed the question. It was breaking up a little bit. Iwas so I did. That's coming death. Am I gone? Am I gone? Who? We can tell you out of it? Well, thisis probably a good time for me to say I have to go. AndFiona, I am a big fan and it's been an honor to meet youand love to everyone tonight. Likewise, reality the rest of the time.Thank you. Buy and the good timeline thing is so much harder than youthink it is when you my God so much. It's my last the onemy ma comes out of March. Just dual timeline, and I ask thesewomen can attest? I almost abandoned it at least three or four times.Yeah, the last two I did, not this year's book, but thehigh tide club and Sunset Beach. I had dual timelines and honestly, Ireally thought this is a this is the end, I'm done. And what'sgreat about your books is there's such a great plot. Twists, you know, that surprised the reader and that's what I love as well, where youknow you're going in one direction and suddenly something's revealed. The plot was surprisedme, to believe me. And so what did olines? You have tobe so careful that you don't give away too much in one timeline that don'taffect the other. Oh and they you don't talk about it before. TheModern Day timeline knows about it, but then do it. Christen just didit too. Yes, it's Chris, and don't go. I know youhave a great question here for it. Oh me, I'm sorry, Iwas thinking Christie was next. Okay, so, Fiona, you and Ihave done a couple of virtual events together already and we still have at leastone more to go, which I'm so excited about. Are you guys jealous? I get to hang out with her? God, yeah, it's so jelly. You bring us with you. I don't know you do you know? You know what our event is. It's as Kiahoka County Library. Soyou guys tell my sure Ron Block would have us to all be there whenyou're on bead. All right, we're all interview. But so, Fiona, you and I have a lot in com and, I think, asdo our books. But one of the things that has really struck me isthat for both of us individually, we reach this moment in our careers whereinwe must have just felt like time to deliver and owed two books and tothe people who love them, including booksellers and Librarians. Can you talk alittle bit about why this was that moment for you? Why are books andthose who love them so deserving of a sweeping story like yours? And Ialso have to say before you answer, I truly think this book is goingto be a game changer for you. This book is so good and Ihope that, I just hope everybody in...

...the world goes out and reads it. I mean I've read it, I've blurbed it, I loved it.But anyhow, on with the question. I Apologize Right back at you.Congratulations on the New York Times in your book. I was just someone wasjust I was filling out of Qa for something today and they were saying,what's the last book that made you cry, and I said Yours, give methe chosen cry, and in the best way. So, yeah,so, so, as I was researching this book, I've learned about thislibrarian named Jean Ashton and she had been at Columbia University's Butler Library in onethousand nine hundred and ninety four when there was a series of book thefts thathappened over a period of three months. One point eight million dollars of rarebooks and manuscripts were stolen at that time and no one could figure out howthe thief was getting in and out, and I did an interview with herto find out. You know, what was it like? How are youfeeling? Was the staff turning on each other? And she talked about how, after they caught the thief, she went before the judge and said weneed to give him a harsher sentence, and she made this really passionate plea. That was in the court transcripts and she said, look, these booksaren't just x number of pages, work x, they are really a pieceof Western history and culture and the loss would cause irreparable damage for scholarly research. and She described libraries as being the safekeepers of these artifacts of the pastand that the value of these artifacts fluctuates like something that wasn't worth much,you know, a hundred years ago, like women's diaries or records of slavetransactions. Today are really valuable because our way of thinking has evolved. Andshe explained all this to the judge and he was so moved that he granteda harsher sentence and later in two thousand and two they passed the cultural heritageresources law that said that if you stole anything from a library or a museum, you would get a harsher sentence. And so to me she's a realhero in so many ways and I just wanted to pay tribute to her inthe book, and so in my character Sadie, that sort of gets pulledinto the storyline. Awesome, it's amazing and I have to say, oh, go ahead, would you say this? I would just think she does itso well and just in awe of her book and the research that wentinto it. I'm totally team Kyona well and in reading it, because there'sthis great mystery at its core. It's one of those books that you're readingit and you're thinking about it during the day completely. I wonder what's goingto happen next. Where is I don't want to give too much away,but there's some stolen books in there that will make you really think about whatbooks mean to you. Are they going to find it, Christy? Well, that was such a good lead into my next question, and these wereso well organized, Pattie. But it probably goes without saying that setting abook in one of the world's most famous libraries would be a dream for anyof us. And you've talked a little bit about your research now, butwas there anything surprising or any surprising stories that emerged for you while you wereresearching this book? Yeah, sure so. One of the things that was Iwas really lucky, was that there's something called the Alan Room at theNew York Public Library where, if you have a book contract, you canapply to work in that room and if you need books, they get deliveredto your bookshelf and it's right there, you know, a book on theconstruction of the library or or typhoid in the ten S and and so Iwas able to do that, which was terrific. And also they had allthe archives from the the superintendent in the ten so I could look at thepayroll and see who worked for him and how much did they get paid,what were his duties and those details, I think, really go to makehistorical fiction work. But the most fun was dealing with the the librarians there, who answered all of my questions and we're so helpful. And at onepoint in an early draft there was a dead body in my book and it'snot there now, but there was a dead body and I actually emailed thelibrarian and said, you know, you've probably never been asked this before,but if you had to hide a dead body in the library, where wouldyou put it? And she wrote back with a wonderful location. And nowI figured it out on the on the floor plan and I was up andrunning and she is. She said, yes, no one has ever askedme that and they are now both being questioned by the NYPD. Someone atthe library rank is minute. Hope that's another fun part of the book isthat you've learned about all these. I didn't realize that a whole section ofthe New York Public Library is under Brian Park. Yes, yeah, so. So they have the roast reading room, which is that beautiful room at thevery top, and underneath it are the stacks and those are all thestacks of books and it's seven layers and you're not allowed in there. It'svery you know that the new public library...

...is not a library where you cantake out books. It's only research. You can only keep them in.So you order a book up top and then it gets sent it to youon a trolley these days, up in the rose reading room. But theyneeded more room, and so Brian Park is this huge park that extends beyondin the back of it and underneath it they dug and created two more levelsof storage underneath their which is just incredible. Is that what they did? Afterthey had that big stink about getting rid of the stacks and the mainlibrary, they did Bryan Park before along a number of years ago, acouple of decades ago. So that was done. Yeah, and recently therewas a talk of removing the stacks and I think things are still being negotiatedbecause they don't want to change the inherit structure of the building. It's soloved. Right, I know. I remember there was a huge controversy aboutand I remember board members were at each other's throats. It was really itwas kind of a sad but fascinating story. And in New York, where youhave these old buildings and then things change and do you change them overtime or do you keep them the same? And that that's what's so interesting aboutthe landmarks in New York. Yeah, pappy, I kept marry Kay.It feels like that's a book you should write the the stacks choking aroundwith an early title. That we'd have a very book, some woman onthe cover and call it stacked. Now for our Patty commercial break. Toremind you about our bookstore of the week, which is books on the Commons.Each book you buy at an Indie is a good deed and at thesame time you get a great new book to Read, plus you get tokeep the literary community thriving. It is a win win when during this crazytime. So if you're interested in picking up one of our new releases tonight, please take advantage of the great ten percent off that books on the commonand Connecticut. The link is on our facebook page with the PIONA announcement.And don't forget that PIONA's books will be signed. So now the four ofus have had a chance to ask Piana some questions and we love to letyou do the same. We've chosen three, no do from among the questions onour facebook page and while we're talking, if you have something you'd like toask, post it and we'll pull a couple live ones. So,Mary Hay, you want to pull one we pulled. Yeah, Donna Mischane. Michean Rydell wants to know, Fiona, why are most of your books seton New York famous buildings? And she says she probably knows you getthis assis all the time. She'd seen your interview with Kristen and and wantedyou to know it was awesome. Why Not Restaurants, Fiona? But again, yes, yeah, so. So, when I'm was a kid, myparents are both English and we would go back to England every few yearsto visit relatives and we would go and visit all the relatives all over,from Scotland Down to London and back up, and my brother and I would startfighting in the rental car and so my parents would pull over at whatevercastle we were passing our ruin and let us get out and run around.And I just loved how old everything was. I was really taken by the ideathat anything less than four hundred years old out there is pretty recent andand I just loft imagining the ghosts that wandered the halls or what was itlike for a servant girl. And I think when I started writing books that'swhat I tapped into as a just a way to create a framework to basethe story on, and I love doing the research into the history. Soit's a mix of being a real building Geek, I think, and andloving loving old buildings. When I was working on Mrs Lewis that the buildingthat he taught in was called the new building, like the new building oncampus, and it was built in the late sixteen hundreds. Here's a littlebit different, since we lost our beloved Mary Alice. Mary Kay, doyou want to ask the question we have polden. Yeah, Stephanie Bowen,Stephanie Brown loves your cover. She says they're absolutely amazing. They always grabher attention before she even reads them and she's also a library lover. Shewants to know what your favorite libraries are to visit. What was your FavoriteLibrary Book as a child? I would say one of my favorite books asa child was, is it the mystery of Roger Akroid by Agatha Christie?Oh, wow, because she she I loved Agatha Christie, and so theidea that she just broke all the rules with that book in a way Ijust, you know, to me that was incredible. And again, theidea that she's ahead of me and I have to try and figure out whatthe clues are and what what are the Red Herrings? It felt like areal, you know, an exercise in reading, which I enjoyed. AndYeah, I would say my favorite libry is definitely the New York Public Library. I've been in New York, or...

...now, for thirty years and youknow, I went to it when I was an actress and we were,you know, doing costumes for a show and back then you didn't have theInternet and you would go to the library to their picture collection and you couldpull out pictures of, okay, what's what's ninety fifty s stresses to geta sense of what what the period should be, and so I've been usingit in a different aspects for four decades now and and it's my favorite.Lucky you. Well, I want to know everybody's favorite. Firstly, canyou think of your first favorite library book? The bookmobile? Yeah, growing upin St Pete I was one, the second oldest of five kids inthe the big main library was way across town and my mom had five littlekids and at that time she didn't even have a car. She had agolf cart because my dad sold golf carts. Now is all on a golf cart. We would go up to the shopping center and you would check out. Once a month the bookmobile came to the shopping center. We check outthe maximum number of books you were allowed and when we got off the tireswould rise because there were six of us, including my mom. How funny.How about you, Christian Vie, Remember Library or library book? EitherLibrary Books? I think I just made my way through the whole Bob's twinand Nancy drew series and hearty boys. But the old ones, like theones from the the whenever, whenever they first came out, the S ors or whatever, like, not the new ones with the fancy covers.So those all came from the library. Gosh, library, I guess.I mean it would have been a worthing to know Hio, because I didn'tmove to staint Pete until I was ten. So yeah, Gosh. I meanI remember going to the library. I remember always having library books.I don't even remember the name of the library anymore. How horrible is that? No, it's not horrible, just I mean, when you're a kid, what do you don't think about the name? Oh, it's just aplace with all the library yeah, yeah, this is probably not like my firstfavorite, but I remember how I remember being so excited when I gotold enough to sort of graduate from the Little Kid Room at the library andyou got to go upstairs where the older books were, and I remember likegoing and reading every single sweet valley twin book and then like a working upto sweet valley high and then there were like I was pretty young, likeI certainly wasn't in high school or anything. I'm probably wasn't even in middle school, and I remember there were a couple like the last two, thatmy mom would not let me read because they were like super racy and hi. And then I remember being like in college and somebody talked about it andI was like, you know what, I never read those last year sweetvalley books and going back and reading them and being like hmmm, that's sogreat, interesting, that's funny. But yeah, I just remember that sowell and like okay, I've read seven, let's eight, you know, justlike going through are like I've read eight and nines checked out. OhNo, for me, I remember so distinctly we used to spend I grewup up north, most y'all know that, and I we spend our summers inCape Cod and I remember the Cape Cod Library way more than I rememberany library at school. And The library at school I remember hiding in duringlunch hour because I didn't want to find a seat at the lunch table andor figure out who to sit with. And but the one in Cape Cuttyis to get in trouble for bringing my books back with sand in them.Oh, remember getting in loads that vieers with sweet balley. Mine was Nancydrew to Christian and check them off one one right after the other. Okay, Christie, you want to pull up a couple live questions? Yes,do we want live questions just for Fiona or do we want live questions forall of us? We have time whenever. You pick whatever you okay, well, I'll do one for all of us and then one for Fionna.Okay, so Sharia ask this one. I really, really like this oneand I think we've all written dul timeline. And so she said. Do youwrite one timeline at a time or do you write both at the sametime? So let's maybe throw that to Fiona first. Yeah, so Iwrite the old Tuk, the older timeline first and then I do the newtimeline. Oh Wow, you know what about you potty? You do themseparately, Fiona, like completely separately. Yeah, I've outline them, soI know where they each have to go, but I'll do the old one firstand then do the new ones. A new one tends to be alittle shorter. Yeah, yeah, actually, can I ask a follow up questionto that? Fear and as so. So, do you have to doa lot of editing then to weave them together? You know, becauseI've outlined them carefully beforehand. It's not that bad, but I have todo a lot of edilate editing because my first drafts are so awful. Myjoke there has to be ten revisions on top of it. But but workin the story together usually is pretty pretty much in place, although there's alwayschanges, as you know. Yes,...

Yep, I am about you,Patty. Sorry, yeah, no, that was going to yet you readmy vibe. That's what's starting to happen to all of us. It's reallygreat. Yes, I write them at the same time. I have avague outline of where it's going and sometimes I'll get carried away. I'll findI really know where the historical timeline is going, and so I'll do abunch of chapters, but I eventually try to catch up with my modern timeline. I think about as a better outliner I wouldn't have to do that,but so maybe that's what I'll try next time. But I do them simultaneouslyso that I can see see where it's going, but it sounds easier tooutline it. I find I use the wrong name if I do it backand forth. I'll use such interesting protactus is in my head and so I'lluse the wrong that's hard to search and replace. Why don't do them onthe same day? But I do kind of, because then I would notto do that too but how about you, Christi, because you just did it. Yeah, I write. I started chapter one and go straight throughto the end, which means that I'm writing past and present one after eachother or one after another, and I think I figure it all out theoutline. So the stories feel separate to me, but I think at thatlike when I'm writing the outline, I'm thinking in terms of the character separatejourneys. But once I have those journeys set, I think in the writingI'm thinking about what's the arc of the book, and so I'm right.It makes sense in a linear way to write them because they're all propelling thebook forward the same way. Does that make sense? And you I'm theQueen of chaos brain and I am not a good outliner. And so withthe PAT the the two that I did with a dual timeline, I don'tknow what I was doing. I would ping pong back and forth between the, you know, the past timeline and the current one, and then Iwould get myself in trouble and I think, Oh my God, I don't know. I had a World War Two flyer guy in the high tide cluband he needed yeah, it was. I have so much respect for allof you who do this on a regular basis, because I backed into it, I did. I really just thought, Oh, Yo, have this oldyou know, I'll have this old back backstory and it's way more thana best story. I think I only book that didn't have a dual timeline. Is feels like falling. Maybe maybe Dear Carolina didn't, but I've alwayswritten them. You know, it's at the stories just always really sort offlowed from one to the next to the next, and I do not outline, so that's kind of a disaster. But I'm working on my first I'vewritten about, you know, a historical time period but with a fictional characterbefore, and that seemed to just flow really easily. But I'm writing aboutmy first real historical characters and that has been a little more I don't knowif I'm just like uptight about it because I've never done it so I'm likestressed out about it. But I've written like the first two hundred pages andthen like the last fifty pages, but it's like I have fifty in hereand I'm trying to but none of the character stories are complete. So Ithink that's what I was like, okay, I need to. I know Idon't normally do that, but I think I just need to go aback through each character storyline and like write that one extra chapter. It's reallyweird. That's never happened to me before, but it's like I know the beginningand I know the end and it's like just that one pivotal moment andI like can't decide what it's going to be for all of them. Soit's all got it. Like you guys flight a Bible for these dual timelines. Yeah, I write notes in my outline. I'll I'll write notes withlike birthdates and you know, these are the names I'll have. Like ifI have a big group of people that I have to keep track of thecharacters, I'll make lists of the character names, which I guess is sortof a Bible, but it's a very casual, abbreviated Bible that just getscut and pasted into my own. We should probably explain what a Bible is. It doesn't the key games version and then they're but don't describe what youmeant. Well, you know, I'm the worst one to tell about itbecause I we don't I remember to do it. You know, two thirdsof the way through when I'm totally lost. A sort of just like a it'slike a what would you call it? A guide book that says he here'swho your characters are. Maybe you have their family history, how oldthey are, what they do, what maybe what their relationship is to theprotagonist. You might put in some stuff about the settings, the timeline,the time frame of the book, that kind of stuff. That kind ofstuff, for me shows up in the outline. And I started three becauseyou do it outline. Start and Catty,...

...you know this, and then we'regoing to go to the next question. I started about three books ago usingscrivener when I start writing and then be only you know, when youscrippner, everything can go in there and whenever in that check. I knowit's so great startle fiction because you can be working on something and thankful.I need to see a photo of the dress she's wearing and with one clickit's up. Yep and wow, and you can even put the you caneven vertical it so the dress is next to what you're writing. Yes,Oh, I might need to do that. Yeah, I'm not using that thatand maybe I need to crater. Mrs Lui I haven't. Everything I'vewritten since then has been on scrivener. But, Christie, what's the nextquestion? And then we'll come. That's all. We just did a wholewriting tip. This one is amazing. Rose de looach wants to know whathappened to the wine drinking. Oh, the wine drinking out our show.Yeah, well, I am drinking deer park because I am in the hallat Summer Camp. What, guys? We're at family camp this week.So that's where I am. So no alcohol at Camp. I are sponsorablyas water and green team. Yes, I'm also sponsored by deer park water, but I'm a green team, Green Team Nice, go green team.I have to tell you I'm drinking the Champagne Christie sent me a week agobecause she was so sure I was going to hit the New York Times listthe dead. I sent it to her and I said put this in yourfreeze, you and your friend, so that you can pop it when youfind out that you hit the Times list. Oh it's awesome. Every friends andfiction an episode. We try to give you a writing tip, althoughwe just gave you a writing class. But for all the writers out theretonight, we thought you might not want to hear any more from us andyou might want to hear some wisdom from Fiona so pion. Know. Whattip do you have for those running to write a novel? I would saydon't ever think it's too late. It doesn't matter if you're thirty or fortyor fifty. You know, for me, I didn't start drafting my first bookuntil I was in my mid S and published it at forty nine andnow I'm in my early, third early s, the sick forty nine orthirty nine, forty ninety nine, you know, I'm in my early sand you know, I couldn't have written these books twenty years ago. Ididn't have the life experiences and I didn't have the vocabulary and I didn't havejust the inner life of betrayal and training and you know, just just thethings that you go through as you live. And so I'd say don't feel likebecause you're, you know, in your s or s, that it'sover because it's your s or your or seven. Some of US are intheir S. yeah, and it's never too late to have a story thatyou just love and feel like you need to put it on the page.Yeah, I'm so glad to hear you say that because I think, aswomen, were so often taught that age is something we have to overcome orfeel badly about, and in fact it's an asset and it should always bean asset and we should always just look at every year we live is somethingthat makes us a better person and a stronger person, a better better whatwe do and who we are. So that that is great life advice aswell as great writing advice. I think about the remember that book oldest livingconfederate widow tells all. Yeah, I think that Lady, I think thatauthor was in her s when the end it was her first book, whenit was Polish. And also, I think that Hans to or rings trueto also the mentors of older you know. You know when I was in myearly s and wanted write my first novel. You know the wisdom ofsomeone who's already written a few. There's yeah, it's never, never,ever too late. So we also like to suggest every week we like tothrow out books that were each reading or talk about debuts. So, Christie, I know you wanted to tell us about a book that you were reading. Did and, y'all, I was so I remembered to pack it andbrought it to camp. Did Not bring it into the hall with me tonight, but the book I wanted to talk about was Louisiana lucky. Oh,do you have it? Thank goodness. I mean we say each other andwe do. We really dare really did, by Julie Pannell and it is actuallylaunching the same day as Fiona's beautiful new book, August fourth. Itis just it's summer. It's such a charming and fun story. It's aperfect way to end your summer. Unfortunately I don't want to be in oursummer. But it's about three sisters who hit the Jack Cotton big time inthe lottery and the ways that their lives...

...change for better and and they're reallyunexpected ways to and sort of their relationships underlying at all. Just loved it. It was so fun. I Love Julie. She's amazing and I've lovedall her books, but on this is just it's so charming. You loveit. That's awesome, Fiona. He said you want to tell us aboutsomething you're reading? Yeah, well, there's something that's actually coming out Septemberone. So I have a galley which doesn't have the gorgeous cover. Ithas a gorgeous cover and it's called fifty words for rain by Ashull Lemmy,am Ie, and it's her debut and it's so beautifully written in it's postWorld War to Japan from the point of view of a young girl who's halfblack and half Japanese, and it's just a story like I've never read before. It's really unique. So yeah, fifty words for rain by Ashton Lemmycomes out September one. It sounds awesomehow that's great. Anybody else? Ido have one I didn't tell you about. Will tell us now. This iscalled this is another daybu novel and it's called the second home by ChristinePaint See, and I have just gotten am already loving it. Oh Wow, I told that that cover. That is such a cool cover too.Great Cover, quite beautiful the bar. You can tell Pattie and I arein the throws. Were so because we're like, let me see the coveragain. Yeah, so I wanted to tell you all about a book comingout in about two weeks. It's called the comeback by a woman named EllaBurnon and it is a debut, and I mean right now. Getting wordout about a debut. I can't imagine in this world not visiting. Soit's about I think this sounds so fascinating. It's about a young movie star wholeft Hollywood when her career was on an upswing and now as she isreturning one year later to face the manipulative film director who controlled her life.So it sounds a little rich from the press. This is the cover.Oh Wow, yeah, very timely. I know it's going to sound ripfrom the headlines. Yes, yes, so we have some really exciting thingshappening here at friends and fiction, so we want to tell you about someof them before we sign off tonight. So don't leave because it's announcement time, because we have this killer fall schedule coming and you're going to want tohear about it. But, Mary Kay, want to tell us what's next forus? Well, you know, we've been building up to this,and what's next for the friends and fiction ladies is a podcast. There willbe more coming on that soon, but we wanted to know, we wantedyou to know that next week, when we have Ellen Hildebrand with us,we'll be telling you all about it. So stay tuned and to hear allthe details. About our friends and fiction podcast that we've been planning in secret? Yeah, we have lots of secret things planning in secret, except it'sbeen part of our intro for so sneaky that we've accidentally been running friends infiction is a podcast for the last like five weeks. Whoops. We're sowe have grets. We're just not very good at keeping them right. Can'tbe dressed with anything. Yes, what's going on with the Book Club?Sure, what's that? Because you're hon this month for the book. Yeah, so the friends and Fiction Book Club so fun. It's run by twoof our members, Brenda Gardner and Michelle Marcus, and I think they're overa thousand member strong now. I will post the link again tonight. It'sjust friends and fiction, official Book Club, Super Easy to find. Every monththey read a book by one of the friends and fiction authors, andthis month I'm lucky enough that they're reading the book of Lost Names, mybook, and so I will be joining them August seventeen for a chat whereyou can ask me any questions you have about the book, including spoilers.We do spoilers over there, Mary Kay, you did it last month with themby good. Yet it's I think it's just a great place to discussa book in depth. And so right now again, book a last nameslook for the friends and Fiction Book Club. So the last, well, secondto last, piece of exciting news is is that we are willing tostart a friends and fiction and newsletter, because we plan to send a fewshort and sweet blasts out each month and they will be shop full of exclusivecontent. We're going to have separate interviews with our authors, we're going togive you sneak peaks of things, we're going to have cover reveals, willhave bonus content, offers from our booksellers, recipes, goodies, all of thatstuff. So, starting right now, literally right now, someone's posting iton our facebook page, you can sign up to receive our emails.To subscribe. What you do is you go to friends and fictioncom or andhover over contact at the top of the...

...page and then choose the newsletters signup. We've also shared the link on our friends and fiction page. Butwe are so excited about our newsletter because we're always trying to tell you allso many things and it tends to get lost sometimes on the facebook page.So we'll be sending out newsletters so nothing gets lost and you know what's comingup and you know who our guests are and we'll have secret interviews that aren'tso secret, just like our podcast, and photos and photos. Sneaky,so sneaky. So, Christy, tell us a little bit about what wehave come up in the fall. My Gosh, we have the most raisingfall schedule. I'm just gonna tell you about a few of our incredible guests. August five, next week we have Allen Hildebrand and I'm going to behosting. I'm so excited. And then August twelve will have Karen Slaughter,August Nineteen Christina Mc Morris, September two, e tough room, September night EmilyIffen, September Sixteen signey Pike and September thirty Cathy Reichs. So wehave the best guests coming up and we do have many more months of themplanned, but that's probably about as much as you can handle right now.So the the long and short of it is be here every Wednesday at sevenor you're going to be missing out. Thank you, every dog y'all andFiona, thank you so much for being with us. They are gods bakings. Thank you. I realized I haven't shown the cover, so I'll doit's so gorgeous. To gorgeous cover. I just want to thank you somuch. It's like being part of the cool crowd. This is like mydream. So thank you so much for me and for everything you're doing forauthors in this time. You're creating such a valuable services. Really appreciate it. You know, why you think think you're cool, is because we're librarydoor like you are. Noo. We're all our own kind of cool.But your cover is gorgeous. I love how they have the lab. Ohand last week I totally messed up the names of the Lions. So youtell us, Fiona, what are the name of the two lions in frontof the New York Public Library? Their patience and fortitude, which none ofus have. So thanks for coming tonight, y'all. I know we could talkfor hours. Thank you, Fiona. We could may not be ring themall of you. We are thrilled that you spend your Wednesday nights withus and listen to us on our website. You are the reason we keep comingback. Good night everyone, good night. Thank you. Thank you. You're in anybody. We order that book, order the book from BookOut Porters Right now, right now, let's do it. Bye, bye, okay, that was so great. That was okay. How great isshe sys something? Seriously, this this is such a great book. Imean I hope everyone runs out buys it, because it is. I've read itback in January and then I didn't have that with her right after andI felt like I was hanging out with a rock star, like the bookwas that good and just blew me away. Okay, well, we casually mentioned, and you know, we could have talked to her for hours,but about the change in women's you know, the way they look at the worldin this book, the way that she shows and it makes you wonderwhat would I have thought in nineteen ten? What I have had the courage?I know that both you, Mary Kay, and you, Chris,who both went to journalism school in Nineteen ten. Would you have done ittoo? Oh, that's right, all three of you did. I wentto nursing school, but you probably did in nineteen ten. So y'all justdidn't. You know, would you have done it? I don't know.If I love the historical fiction makes us ask those kind of questions. Yeah, we're doing an after show. You want to commute everyone on and hi, Sweetie A, Megan. I Love I'll be back up. That wasthe best all the episode. Em Oh yeah, cammeout anyway. Thanks,y'all. I think it was great tonight. Can we talk about I don't know, if I don't know if y'all remember, but Christen hit the NewYork Times lest day. Someone we know New York Times less. Yeah,that was pretty cool and if you haven't already gotten that, you know youcould go to our bookstore of the week and order it and then you couldbe as cool as all the people who are already we'd have already read itand can keep it on the New York Times best seller list and you couldgo on an online review site. There are many, and you could giveit a great review, as we all...

...have. You know someone, yes, like we have. We have done that, which is so awesome.Thank you, but you guys, I didn't hit it. We did,like it was. I just feel like it was such a team effort andit was. I feel like it shouldn't even just say my name on thecover. It should just say the friends and fiction officers, because we all, you all got behind it so much and I appreciate that. And andif anyone's looking for it, I it is still out of stock and somany places, but it should be back in stock by the middle of nextweek. So, which feels like a hundred years. Stop you from orderingit? Absolutely? Yeah, yes, if you were like Amazon, forexample, is saying one to two months of talking to be one to twomonths. So right. It's also a really good lesson about why we're alwayslike, pre order the book, Pre Order the book, because then allof a sudden the publishers like, we didn't know that they were going tosell this many and then there's no books and nobody can get the book.So great thing. Yeah, I know. And the other thing is that peopleprobably don't realize it's a pre a pre order campaign really gives writers publisherthe idea that that there is buzz behind a book, that the book isgoing to is you know, it's going to be great, and then theythey do more for the book, they do more promotion, they may orderanother extra printing. So all of that stuff is means a lot, alot for somebody with a book about to come out. So we all thankyou. Those of you who are early birds we love you. Yeah,we do appreciate yeah, thank you all. All right, you guys. It'sso good to see faces. So celebrate. I'M gonna go to there'ssome kind of camp activity going on right now that I'm going to go to. Forget. You're on the green team. Exactly, my dear part. Yes, sponsored by Dear Green Team and going to take it all. Idon't know what the Green Teams gonna do. or I mean we just got here, so I don't know what we're going to do, but the greenteam is going to rocket. I hope you're grades. Yep, I'm surewe will. There is a New York Times forwards your time. There's atalent show Christian. Maybe we could have you like come on and like reada chapter. I'm sure the kids would love that. Mom's like, Idon't know how you do a talent show without wine. Chris, no,I know. I mean we don't know what's in that. We don't knowwhat's in the deer park bottle either. This could be a special dear now, I haven't even breaken like you in your Park Vodka. I don't know. Yeah, all right, guys, I gotta Fun. I'm good night. You all. I love y'All. You've been listening to the friends andfiction podcast. Be Sure to subscribe to the friends and fiction podcast wherever youlisten and, if you're enjoying it, leave a review. You can findthe friends and fiction authors at www and fictioncom, as well as on thefacebook group page friends and fiction. Come back soon. Okay, there arestill lots of books, writing tips, interviews, publishing news and bookstores tochat about. Goodbye,.

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