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Friends & Fiction with Susan Wiggs

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#1 New York Times bestselling author of more than 50 novels, Susan Wiggs, sits down with the Fab Five to discuss her latest novel, just released in paperback, The Lost and Found Book Shop. The crew discuss the influences on their writing career, how life experience, failures, and sense of place inform their writing, and the books that shaped them. https://www.susanwiggs.com/ 

Welcome to Friends and Fiction, fivebest selling authors and the stories. Novelists, mary Kay andrews, ChristineHarmel, Christie Woodson harvey patty Callahan, Henry and mary Alice Munroare five longtime friends with more than 80 published books to their creditIn 2020 they created friends and fiction to provide author interviewsand fascinating insider, talk about publishing and writing and to highlightindependent bookstores. These friends discuss the books, they've written thebooks they're reading now and the art of storytelling. If you love books andyou're curious about the writing world, you're in the right place. Yeah. Hieverybody, I'm mary Kay andrews, this is Friends and fiction, we are so happythat you are here. I'm Christine Harmel, I'm ChristyWillson Harvey, I'm patty Callahan Henry and I'm mary Alice Munro and this is Friends and fiction, fivenew york times, bestselling authors, endless stories, all to remind you toshop local when you can and keep supporting independently ownedbookstores. Now we're going to go off script for a little bit because youknow we love to celebrate and so we've got something special to celebratetonight. Miss june, otherwise known as Kristen her now charted on the new yorktimes best seller list today, charged at C H A R T E D charted at number ninewith the Book of Last names. And so we're gonna all raise a toast toKristen again. Uh You haven't, if you have not got your copy of the paperbackof the Book of Lost Names, what are you waiting for? Get it so that I can startagain so you can keep charting your charting every week. Yes, thank youwere the worst. Okay also some other good news. Oh my God our friend Alanget number one. I'm Ray Allen drills for her. Very excited.Well tonight we are also very excited because we get to have a very goodfriend of all of ours, best selling off author Susan Wiggs whose latest book,The Lost and Found Bookshop came out to rave reviews last summer and thepaperback just released this week. There's nothing we love better thanindie bookstores. So you know, we love this book set in a quaint san Franciscobookshop. One of the questions that were central to the novel was if youhad to do it all over again, what would you do and who would you be? You can besure we're going to ask Susan that very question. But first we want to thankour incredible partner Ma Material Dean's whose cheese stalls and cookieswe all love with summertime here. It's so easy to pick up a package of MamaG's bodacious cheese straws or cookies including the gluten free ones to popinto your beach bag. Or if you're like me into your tennis bag so you can graba snack between sets, remember as always you can get 20% off your orderat Mama Geraldine's dot com with the code Fab five. And I think patty, you had a coolannouncement to make. Uh so This community has been growing likewildfire and we have had the most amazing year. But this week, Y'allbecause of you out there, we have just passed the 40 1000 member mark and wewant to celebrate with you because this has been the most incredible communityand we feel like you're part, we're friends with you, your friends with us.And this is this is a community built out of a pandemic that turned intosomething much bigger and much better. So the best thing that happened to the,after the pandemic, how lucky are we were so grateful to all of you outthere. You know what's great to toast good news with mine? Good line. That isa match made in heaven for book lovers. So last week we officially kicked offthe summer of Story Point on Friends and fiction with a surprise drop infrom our friends Elin Hilderbrand who was celebrating the publication of hernew book, which is now a number one new york times bestseller. That certainlydeserves a simple coincidence at all. I'm, you know, I'm not a point, I'mjust saying, but each week the after show will be called sip and stay withstory Point and will be sponsored by...

...story Point wines. You never know whowill drop in. There might even be someone coming tonight. Make sure makesure you stick around for the fun and the six And in a bit we'll also betelling you about our featured bookseller of the week. Liberty BayBooks which is a special place to our guest Susan Wiggs, Liberty Bay Bookslocated in the beautiful town of Poulsbo Washington started out as ShotWells bookstore which sounds a little bit like charted Shot Wells bookstorein 1977 and was purchased by Suzanne Drop in 1996 And then in February 2020local children's author Susan Self Force purchased the story continuingthe line. Mm Um we cannot wait to tell you aboutanother book that's coming to bookstores on July six and that isagain our own Miss June otherwise known as Christine Harmel. She will have theforest of vanishing stars out and um we're gonna let her tell you all aboutit. I cannot believe thank you Cathy I cannot believe we are less than fourweeks from the launch. So tonight tonight I am really excited to sharethe trailer with you Sean on it was absolutely beautiful. So much soset in the forest of Eastern I know they did such a good job. Right? Allthe credit goes to gallery books. That was amazing. So set in the forests ofEastern europe during World War two, The Forest Vanishing Stars is the storyof a woman who was kidnapped from her german parents and raised alone deep inthe woods with almost no human contact. But when her kidnapper dies in 1942 andher life collides with that of a family of fleeing jewish refugees. Everythingchanges. It's based on the real life stories of jewish refugees who fledinto the forests and survived the war that way truly astonishing real lifetales of survival. And tonight if you pre order it from Liberty Bay Books andnot only will you have my deep and endless gratitude because everypreorder really helps the books trajectory. But you will also have oneof these wish bracelets. Sean. Do you have a picture of it? Um If not, I'vegot one right here. They yes you go. They are made especially for Friends infiction. Um and they have the little Star for the Forest, Vanishing Starsand the Friends and Fiction blue string. I've got one on right now. Uh And yeah,thank you. It's it's one of those ones that like you know it's supposed to youwear it until it falls off and then you get a wish which I think is kind ofnice. Um So yeah, this is it. And if you if you pre order the book bysaturday from Liberty Bay, I will send it to you myself along with a signedbook plate. So I hope you'll consider it. They love it. I love it. I lovemine. Okay so now for our parade essay this week mary Kay right about asubject near and dear to all of our hearts and her heart beach books. Yeah.Well you know I thought the timing was pretty good and my books you know aresold and thought of as beach books and I'm proud of that. By the way I wantedto share my thoughts about what makes a B books and why I want to banish thatphrase guilty pleasure when it comes to books. And I also want to give folkssome suggestions about where and how to choose your summer reads. So ladies,what's your idea of a perfect beach book? You know, first of all I love theessay. I thought it was so great and you touched on so many reallyinteresting points um I when I think it be treats I really think of somethingthat just has a happy ending and I know that's kind of sometimes you don't knowif it has a happy ending to the book is over, so that's kind of hard. But um Idon't think I have a specific genre and actually this is kind of weird, but Ilike save up my thrillers all year long because I always read before I go tobed and I don't like to read thrillers before bed because I get like so keyedup and then I can't sleep. So I save them for the summer and I read them onthe beach. I'm pretty bad. Yeah, I love that for me. It's anything anythingthat sweeps me away that I can't put down and that is a kind of a ping forsensory memory or reminder of the hours and days that slipped away when I was achild with a pile of sand covered library books that just feels like asummer read. No matter whether it's fiction, non fiction, thriller. That'sit. Exactly. I couldn't agree with you more and mary. Kay I love what you saidabout about abolishing that phrase,...

...guilty pleasures. I mean who says that?We should never feel guilty about any reading. We do no matter what if it'saround. Com or thriller or nonfiction or nature book magazines whatever readon the beach will read on the porch, on your rocking chair on your front porchor that little chair you put by the kiddie pool while you're watching thekids. Really really read because summer time is the time we have time off.Summertime is vacation time. So read wherever you want and that is notguilty, that's just pure pleasure. Yeah. You know, I usually like something alittle light hearted in the summer for my beach reads, but summer is also thetime I will binge read an author who is new to me like the summer I torethrough every Eleanor lippman novel. I could find one after the other, likeeating potato chips I read. Um my favorite of hers is The Family Man.It's so good, it's so funny, it's so dry and touching and sweet and reallyabout forgiveness and redemption. So yeah, yeah. You know, for me, I thinkit's anything that keeps me absorbed in this story, but also lets me look upand take part in a conversation or take a dip in the water or whatever and thenreturn to exactly where I left off without missing a beat. And it's alsothat book that you're thinking about when you're not reading it so you canengage in anything. But, but then you're excited to get back to it. Like,like an escape. Like, you know, a beautiful part of your vacation. Solike last weekend we were visiting my in laws at the beach and I flewabsolutely flew through lisa bars, upcoming novel Woman on Fire, which wasjust love her. Oh my God, she's so great. But it was action packed andfast moving and had these absorbing characters. It was just everything Iwanted in that book that kept me riveted completely. Um, so you know, this is all fine andgood. But I want to get to talk to our guests, Susan Wiggs, my copy of theLost and Found bookshop. Here it is. It's brisket. I know I don't usuallywrite in books, but I did this time. It's bristling with my post. It notes,a paragraphs and book mentions including a very special post itmarking the Easter egg I found on page 185. And I know lots of you read itwhen it first came out in hardback last summer and we we just couldn't getSusan on back then. But so we're glad to have her on now that it's out inpaperback. So if you have questions for her, leave them in the comments. I kindof have the feeling there's going to be a pop quiz or something. Looking at allthose posted. I like nervous school flashbacks. I don't ever do that, but Idid it with this book because it was about books, you know, I'm not touchedme. Yeah, I'm so excited to talk to her about it. But let me tell you aboutSusan Wiggs. She's a number one new york times bestseller and the author ofmore than 50 novels, including the Lakeshore Chronicle series and theinstant new york times bestsellers Family tree and the oyster ville sewingcircle. Susan lives at the water's edge, which sounds like a book title. Thethat the water's edge the waters. And anyway, she lives at the Water's edgeon an on an island in the puget sound. If you follow her on instagram, you cancatch the breathtaking photos she takes of the sunset and the what look at thatali and in good weather, she commutes to her writers group in a 21 ft boat.She's also a grandmother to a precious little girl named Clara and my daughterand son in law moved to a little island on the puget sound two days ago. Sowhen she gets here, maybe we'll set up a play date with Bridget and Clara andtake them to a book shop. I love that. I'm a graduate of Harvard Susan Wiggsis a former teacher who describes herself as an avid hiker and amateurphotographer, a good skier and a terrible golfer. I I am also a terriblegolfer who says her favorite form of exercise is curling up with a good book.She's our lady. Yeah, she probably has a lot of agreement right now with thatone. So let's bring Susan on hell no on you for having me. Got you on a busygirl. I love that your intro was so flattering. I was you made me sound waymore important than I am. I doubt we're so glad to finally get you on and wewould love for you to tell everybody about, I don't know the elevator pitchfor the Lost and Found bookshop. It's a...

...book about books. It is that um likethat alternate life that you live when you fantasize about, you know, whatwould my my life look like if I was, you know, if I were to actually go forsomething like that. And so I think everybody I know kind of dreams aboutbeing a bookseller and so I created this fantasy bookstore, but it's reallygrounded in um some things about my life. This is supposed to be elevatorpitch and I'm like rambling on. Anyway, it's grounded with some real lifechallenges that I have in my life and and um in terms of caregiving of anelderly person and but it's also filled with everything that I love about booksand writing in bookstores. And so I think you mentioned in the intro, therewere some easter eggs all throughout that. Most of the books that Ireferenced um in the Lost and Found Bookshop. Our actual books that I'veread in love, there are a couple of made up ones which you probably asfellow authors. You probably recognize those as well. But anyway, thank you somuch for having me. I I love this setup. I love your group. I love all of yourbooks. Uh and the first time I was thinking about the first time that Imet mary Kay and we were on a panel or something and she was dressed so well.I mean she's just like her book cover. She was just like your book cover. Ithink it was the weekenders and every single color that was on the cover ofthe hardcover. Um you had on your outfit, your jewelry and your top andit was just so yummy and I thought God I want to be her. I'll think about alot of thank you. Well, I'll tell you, we are looking for a asking lots ofquestions and we will. But to all of the viewers out there remember to putyour questions for Susan in the comments and will be pulling a few toask you later in the show. So of course, I've got to ask what prompted you towrite a book about a bookstore. It was one of those moments um where II knew some things about the story, but I didn't have quite the challenge thatI wanted for the main character. And at the same time I was I was trying to Iwas trying to I love people who faced the middle of their life. Well, she'snot the middle of her life, she's in her thirties who realized they're onthe wrong path and they're like, oops, I gotta make a change here. And shedoesn't realize that she's one of those clueless ones who needs, you know, kindof a kick in the pants in order to put her on a different path. And so in thebeginning of the book, she's sort of this button down corporate person, verydisciplined, very and she has a kind of free spirited mom who we learned earlyon in the book, you know, we don't get to really meet mom in person. Butanyway, Natalie comes to realize that the thing that she wants to do is thething that she's most afraid of, but she tackles it anyway, and that'sbecoming um the proprietress of an independent books shop in all sanFrancisco, in a historical building that has a whole history of itself, Sothat's amazing! So I have to tell you Susan that the ladies here have anickname for me and it's peach because of PCH and you have a peach. So youhave made me into a man and a handyman that a tool, a tool belt. I never, Ilove that. I hired hammer, I just loved it. I was like, oh wow, that's awesome.So when the book opens, your protagonist, Natalie harper is toilingaway as you mentioned that she's doing corporate things. But I love that she'sat a wine distributorship in Sonoma Valley and she's very good at of allthings inventory control, which is a job she has come to hate, but sheclings to it because I mean in victoria control literally sounds like a job I'dquit in an hour and so she claims to it because it offers the one thing shecraves or think she crazed, which is predictability, security, and a goodpaycheck benefits. You know, the little challenges we have. I think so manypeople can relate to that. And I'm...

...really curious if you are ever in asituation like that. I never was because my in my formerlife I was a teacher and um actually teachers have stability andpredictability. Um they don't have a salary, the most among the mostunderpaid people, you know, that I can think of it. So. Right. Right. Exactly.And so the only thing that's like even more populous than a teacher isprobably an aspiring writer. So I was both of them. Yeah, I really, I wantedher in Arcangel, which is a made up town from another book. So that waskind of a little easter egg for for readers of the other books, but Iwanted her to have um, you know, ties to California, but in the wrong role.And I was like, you, I was like, what's the most, you know, dreadful thing thatI can think of it as inventory control, Right? So crushing. So how did you get thecourage to take the leap from teacher to writer? Because even though itdidn't have the salary, it had the security, I mean it did absolutely, andthe health care and my daughter was little. Um, it was, I had a couple ofbooks back in the, In the 90s that that kind of moved me into being just, youknow, a hopeful writer to an actual earning writer with probably probably afuture. You know, none of us ever have, you know, the ultimate stability of thewhole corporate structure behind us. But you know, there were some signs,you know, um hired a really awesome literary agent. We're still togethermeg truly or anything wear agent sisters I think. Okay, well, doesn'tshe is like a mormon husband. You always, when you're with her, you thinkyou're the only one. A great, that's a great, great, she doesn't tell younothing. A you're gonna have to call up Megan say, wait, you have other clients.What exactly? Right now she's a political, She can't help, but she'salso incredible. But we don't care. We don't care. Yeah, as you know in thepublishing world, when you know that you have a team and you have the rightassociates around you who are going to help you accomplish your goals and yourdreams, then it's still a leap of faith because you still live from book tobook and contract a contract. But I felt like I was able to do that. So offI went. And so I I I published my first book in 1987. Oh my goodness, I knowold. That's still, I mean, when you consider 50 books, my goodness, that'sexactly what I was gonna say. It's still not that long to have written 50books because I was published 85. Was it that No, no, you were publishedbefore me, but I'm a piker compared to you? I see, I see, Ron block is sayingin the comments hashtag author wives, which I do I okay, I feel that titlelike going that title. So, Susan, Susan, you said in our friends and fictionnewsletter this week that when you were a kid, you fell in love withShakespeare and Company, the english language bookstore in paris because youand your family lived nearby. I had no idea that you used to like I also livedin paris in the seventh and I was on the same block as the american libraryin paris, which you might know. Uh and one of my good friends in paris when Iwas living there, worked at Cafe La Petite, which was on the same block asShakespeare and company. So I was there all the time too. So for me living inparis though my time there was brief, it really shaped me as a writer. Um andI think it was partially because there is such a wonderful literary traditionin that city and the french culture just kind of inspires us to stop andsmell the roses to slow down and appreciate the details. Do you think?Hey, as was the case with me, do you think that your time in paris, eventhough you were there when you were young, shaped you in some way into theway you write today or into the writer, you've become. 100% yeah, 100% that it's, you know, Ialways knew that I would write, I always add new from, you know, before Icould even read before I could barely...

...talk, you know, scribble things andtell my mother write this down and I wouldn't battle out a story and youknow, God love her, she was right down the story and so live and she savedthem. So, I still have these little scribbles and stories that I told herwhen I was three years old, so I always knew and there was an upstairs room inShakespeare and Company where I would take my, my my journal like teenageangsty journal and and I would just right away and I think that when youfind a place that feels like that to you, um it helps you develop your voiceand your voice is always changing as a writer. But there are some things thatare just a through line, you know that you started writing when you were inseventh grade and you know you're still thinking about these things and I thinkthere was there's a book that everybody should read readers and writers calledon writing by Stephen. Oh my God. Yeah, there's a there's a page there. Myfavorite page in the book is where he talks about a writer always returns tothe same like three or four themes again and again and again in waysthroughout your storytelling life. And I remember just being such a dreamerand being in that book shop. So um yeah, it should be on everybody's bucket list,definitely every reader's bucket list. And every time I go to paris I go therethe bins and certain things about it that never have changed. Waiting foryou know I go through the bins and I keep looking and I just keep waitingone book. I just want to see one of my books waking a book. I want to go backto the last round bookshop. Can I just say? I really loved the cover, it'sreally beautiful. I always did the hard cover another. Just nail that cover.They they did yeah really great and I'm glad you kept it for the paperback. Youknow sometimes they change it. So anyway in this wonderful book umNatalie the heroine's her world just explodes when her mother and then herboyfriend are killed and this horrible plane crash and this is and Blythe isthe owner of the lost and found bookstore which means now Natalie askedyour ownership and this is a failing financially debt ridden business andthen later her beloved grandfather dies. And so the phrase that we all know thisis a a writing phrase called Kill your Darlings. And that's when we like to upthe stakes. So I'm curious you killed a lot of darlings in this book. And sodid you. Is this part of your plot? Or did you always know that Natalie neededan impetus to step out of her old life? And I think I know what you're going tosay because you touched on it a little bit, but talk about killing yourdarlings and this book, I think that drama comes from peoplefacing their worst fears and their worst situations that they can think of.And so um and I always had a really strong, powerful relationship with mymother and I have a strong relationship with my daughter. And so um those wereour soft place to fall, but when that's taken away then what do you do? And soI I wanted that everything stripped away from Natalie right in thebeginning so that she almost had no choice. And I set it up so that shecouldn't. I mean her first thought was I got to dump this bookstore. You know,I've got my job and inventory control expert, you know, why would I ever youknow, take the risk of being a bookseller. But the truth is and mostbooksellers that I talked to as I was writing the book said, um booksellersbookshops can be really vibrant and they can be profitable. They mostlyalways are if they're well run and if they don't have like a flaky owner andyou know are poorly managed but a well managed independent bookstore makes itis a profit making business. It is. And so I wanted her to have to take, youknow, I have to sort out in the aftermath of this, you know, horribleway that her mother leaves her. Um my her darling mother, she was a darlingand sort of rebuild her life around around the bookstore and around hergrandfather who's dealing with dementia and some other health issues that comeclear later in the book. And so I felt like she was too insulated bysupportive people. So I took her away. Yeah, yeah. And that's kind of what wedo when we moved from being um you know, a teacher to a writer. I was alwaysbeen a single income family. And so, um...

I never had a patron of the arts, Inever had a you know, and so it raises the stakes I think. And it made a, youknow, kind of amped up the drama in that book. And I just have to say italso an inspiration for people who are considering opening or keeping theirindependent bookstore alive in your community. You know, it works. I loveeverything. You just Exactly yeah. You know, speaking of life, you know, whenyou start the book, I think another Airhead mom irresponsible and then Ithink you do such a beautiful job of um unfolding her character. And you know,I started thinking why could I not have met blind harper? I would especiallylike to thumb through the books on her Words of Wonder shelf at the bookstore.Now when you read the book, you will see that um Blythe who uh Natalee's momwho owns a bookstore and has run it for many years, She has a shelf called HerWords of Wonder. And it has books that she returns to um for you know, deepthoughts. So I wondered if you would name some of those books on the Wordsof Wonder shelf and whether they were books that you have personally turnedto over the years because it was kind of an eclectic mixture really. Mhm.Yeah it was it's a it's a shelf that I would definitely have if I had abookstore because I'm a well I read a lot of e books now and and and so Ican't do it but I'm such a mark II don't mark them up but I put tabs in mybooks and you know I want to remember things that I read and particularlymeaningful passages and so yeah, you know we all have those books that arejust kind of part of our blood and bone and so I fantasized about you know whatwhat would be on the shelf. And for me it would be everything from the carrotseed, which is the first book that I ever read on my own by Ruth Krauss, Ithink I can a boy planning a carrot seed and everybody said it wouldn'tcome up anyway. Everything from that all the way to um God, I don't knowtotally books and everything. You had the Once and Future King, you had theOnce and Future King. And I love that you can tell. I mean, Idon't usually mark up books and the one thing Future King, he says the bestthing for being sad, replied Merlin, beginning to puff and blow is to learnsomething that is the only thing that never fails. I love that. That's great.Yeah. Um and there's a yeah, they have a, there's a motto in the book. You'renever alone when you're reading a book and I always, you know, I turn to bookswhen I'm sad and when I'm happy and when I'm lonely and they're alwaysthere for me. And when I was little I used to picture and I kind of shadedthis in and the story I used to picture that the books were alive, even whenthey were like facing out on the shelf and the pages were closed witheverything. I was sort of picture, what are they doing in there? And uh, greatimagination. That's great. I love that. Well, um, let's talk a little bit aboutthis central question in the Lost and Found bookshop, which is if you had todo it over again, what would you do? And who would you be? So can you tellus a little bit about what inspired that central question? And then also ifyou had to do it over again, what would you do and who would you be okay? Yeah.Yeah. I love I love the drama of somebody having, having the face umthis this question in the middle of your life, and I can't specificallyremember personally ever coming to that moment, like, oh my God, I'm on thewrong path, but um if you were given that, it's it's not really anopportunity, it's like an obligation for for Natalie, um but she does get toremake her life. And one of the things um it's funny that I started outtalking about clothes and very, very case outfit, but I was very conscious,as I wrote Natalie's journey, who she...

...was in the beginning versus who she wasin the end, because in the beginning she's very buttoned down, she'scorporate, there's a very terrible wind mishap on her white silk blouse and herfellow co workers aren't very nice about it and and um she kind of evolvedas her character evolves, so does her wardrobe. She finds herself trying onher mother's clothes because she's trying on new identities. And then inthe end when she's really kind of found the essence of herself, the way thatshe feels in her body and feels in her clothes and everything, it was it was areal key. So I'm not sure readers all would clue in on that, but I was veryconscious of it and I'm not sure why I'm not a huge close person, but Ithink that they do say something about the way you feel about yourself. I loveyour transformation. I love this scene where she's going to the gala at themuseum and the bookstore, the bookstore clerks were great characters by the way,Cleo and what was the guy's name? Uh birdie, Birdie, birdie and clear. Iknow I do that to birdie and clear. Uh and Cleo you know makes her wear thisgorgeous chinese um silk. I don't know the name of the dress but it's long andit has the embroidery and it's turquoise and it's flashy. All thethings that Natalie isn't and I thought wow this is like a butterfly, you knowcoming out of the chrysalis to me okay but Susan you have to do it over again.Oh sorry. Yeah personally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I probably would have divorced my firsthusband sooner sooner. But you know what being able to write as such ablessing. I can't imagine that I would do anything differently. I don't even Iwouldn't switch genres. I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't even make the mistakesthat I made because everything takes you to where you're going. You know, ifI could get very philosophical yeah, no, everything really use it, you know,everything you encounter on your journey um is put there for you to workthrough and so you know what, I like a smoother path through my life when weall, but I don't know that I would reinvent um a lot of or make differentchoices I know and I wouldn't even be able to do that. I completely agreebecause I think it's a joy of reaching a certain age and both in your personallife, but also in your career when you can say um I see how all the decisionsI made were a series of connecting the dots to bring me to where I am whenyou're in it and living it and you're young, you don't necessarily see it,but okay ladies, we can look back a little bit. All right ladies, you know,I'm going to break with the script again and ask you one sentenceeverybody what what if you I love that question that Susan asked if you had todo it over again, what would you do? And who would you be Christie? Mm umgosh helps turn with me. Um I don't know, I mean I actually was sittinghere thinking that I think I'm really lucky because I sort of had one ofthose moments where someone in my life, I was working in a very different fieldand someone said to me, if you could do anything, what would you do? And I saidI really want to write a book and um you know, I think I'm so invested inwhere I am now and I feel like it's really where I'm supposed to be andthat doesn't mean that, you know, right here is going to be the exact thingthat I'm doing for the rest of my life, but I really kind of feel like I'm atthe right place in my life and um and I agree with mary Alice that you can lookback and see all those little dots and there's some things that I can thinkabout right now that felt like the world was ending and if they had nothappened, my life would be vastly different and much, much worse. Yeah. Oh, I think I answered, I definitelywould be a writer, but if I was not allowed, that was the rule, you can'tbe the same thing, I'd be an opera singer. Ooh, what? Okay, peach, So letme get out my tool belt, I would have been a handyman. I, you know, I was alot of things before I was a writer. So...

I, I feel like uh like Christie, I hada moment where I asked my five year old daughter, what do you want to be whenyou grow up? And she said a writer of books and I said, no, that's what Iwant to be and like the character in the book, Susan, I was about to hit, Iwas approaching my thirties and I was like, what am I waiting for? And so Ithink I did ask that question and I did shift and um that doesn't mean likeChristie said that other shifts won't happen. But yeah, I, I'm, I'm rightwhere I want to be right now right here. Yeah, I mean we've talked about it manytimes on the show, so we know I'm writing a song with James Taylor, likethat's coming for me. Shot me right? I mean, I don't imagine that taking that long,but okay, but here's the thing what if you can't come back as a writer, whatwould you do? Mm wow, you can't change the rules like that. No, no, no youcan't get through. Maybe that's your, shallwe talk about? What about you? You know what, I would be a person who worriedless about the future and I think I'm 42 now and that is a lesson that Idon't I don't think the entire gasoline but no, I I I don't think it's a lessonI fully learned yet. But I remember even just a decade ago, you know, Ididn't get married till I was almost 35. I didn't have no until I was almost 37.Um and I spent a lot of those early years thinking that those things Iwanted out of life, we're never going to happen for me. I worked a lot ofyears as a writer before. I really had, you know, much success at all and Ithink um I think as Mariella said, you can look back and kind of connect thedots now, but I wish I had worried less about it um in the past and that's acommitment I will make going forward to try to just trust the journey and trustthat even if it doesn't turn out exactly right, you'll you'll get whereyou need to go and Yeah, yeah. You know, um I, you know, I thought Iwanted to be a newspaper reporter and I was for a long time and the newspaperschange and I felt like I had the rug pulled out from under me. And I thinkit's a gift. I mean it's a gift in in in Susan's book The Lost and foundbookshop when um Natalie has everything stripped away from her. Yeah it's all aburning, literally a burning plane wreck and that only then does she um eventually discover that she iswhere she that the next places where she wants to be. She literally isshoved off a cliff and I think um I think for me metaphorically whennewspapers changed and I hated it and and then I was like thank God I wasleft with no other choice. I knew I had to write and I and I so I had to tunnelout. But anyway, gosh you've got so many great questions, let's let's go right to that.Perfect. Okay wait let me can I ask one more really quick before we get to that?Just know I'm you know, but you Susan you thank a lot of the a lot ofbooksellers and your acknowledgements. Um Can you tell us a little bit aboutwhat Liberty Bay Books are bookstore tonight means to you? Mhm. Sorry about that. Can you ask thatagain? I just my internet just sort of yes I was just saying can you tell uswhy you chose Liberty Liberty Bay Books tonight and what that store means toyou? Thank you for asking. I would love totell you because I love the owner of Liberty Bay Books. Her name is Suzannesell furs and she is a Children's author whom I've known as a writer foryears many years. And she um took that she bought a bookstore in a little veryadorable little seafaring town called Poulsbo Washington. Um And she openedshe had her grand opening and wait for it february 2020. So not only did shehave the challenge of founding her new enterprise, her new book shop, but shealso got shut down probably about a month later. And so I know that firstyear was amazing um for Suzanne and her staff to kind of get through and so Ihave a lot of love for Suzanne and for her book shop she made it over. It's acharming place and with the nicest staff you could imagine. And so it wasa no brainer for me to say oh that's...

...the one for friends and fiction. That'sawesome, that's awesome. Now questions Yeah, we're going to pullsome live questions who is pulling Christie, I am me, we have so manyquestions for you, Susan, it's absolutely unbelievable and I like thisone a lot. So Alexis wants to know do you know the title of your book beforeyou write it or do you wait until it's almost finished? That's a good question. Mhm. I know the title that I want the bookto have good a very often yeah and publishers have a sneaky way of havingmeetings about your titles and oh we've already got a similar title or we don'tlike the sound of that or it's not going to lend itself to a good cover.And so I always have a title in mind, but well I almost always there wasthere's been a book or two where I couldn't come up with anything but withThe Lost and Found Bookshop. Um it just felt like such a good fit umthematically with the book. So and luckily it was it appealed to mypublisher as well. So that one I didn't know the Oyster feel sewing circle, Idid no other ones. Um there's much discussion and um very often the titlethat I want never makes it into the book. Um in the Lost and found bookshopNatalie is reading a book that her mother had left on the bedside table.Booksellers get a lot of advance reading copies of books and um so thatthey can preview what's cut, what's coming. And she's reading a book calledActs of Light. And that was actually my title for a book that was published asMap of the heart. And so they recycle that cool title that I really liked. Idid too. I thought it was a great title but it didn't it didn't resonate withpeople at my publisher. And so I had to change it to map of the heart which isokay. But I didn't love it like you know, I thought that was really Yeah.Yet another easter egg. Yeah. Ok. Yeah. Yeah. Well the other easter egg is theauthor signing with the lady named Quill ransom. She was a very you knowum her books were beloved by readers and she has that disastrous booksigning. Oh my God! Like every anxiety when I was reading that in real life, Ivisited them on did you have PTSD or something like nobody comes and you alldressed up and you thought you put the candy dish out and your sign up sheenand your hour ago and nobody comes because I tell booksellers I look so Xpeople stay away in droves. Yeah. Oh you've got a question. You have that Xfactor. They kind of you know, they draw out readers to them like thepilgrims to lourdes. But I am not that writer. My readers are all home readingbooks and wondering. So like book signings can be very very humbling forall of us is and for all of us. So speaking of Map of the Heart, this isso synchronised. IQ one of the live questions we have is from a woman namedCarrie Suderman and she said I love Map of the Heart. Did you did you enjoywriting historical fiction? And will you write another one? Oh, could you hear the question looking for carry? So Germans questionBecause no, no, I'm telling it. Yeah. So sorry, I didn't hear the question. Ilike it. And then I will um he said I loved Map of the Heart. Did you everdid you enjoy writing historical fiction? And will you write another one? Are you having trouble? Yes. Yes. Anduh you know, I can hear it now. Yeah. So um math of the heart was probablythe most enjoyable research and writing trip I ever made because we jerry and Ihad a rental car and we drove through France for like five weeks and it wasamazing. And um, I loved every minute of it and I tried to pour all that intothe book. So, yes, absolutely. I would love to do another one. And in fact,I'm kind of noodling with an idea where...

I, earlier in my career, I wrote a lotof historical romance novels. And so, uh, and I'm really listening to theaudio books of those that were just re recorded in audio because I'm thinkingof doing a contemporary, um, that is that connects to those historicalromances. So what a great idea of that. But I do love Yeah, Well, we'll see allideas are great till I start writing them down and then they suck, you know.Yes, but that's the journey. Well I'll tell you every week one of our veryfavorite parts of the show is to receiving a writing tip from our guests.So we would love to hear a writing tip from an author who is a three timeswinning rita award winning author who has written rahm calms romances,historical and contemporary fiction. So what writing tip to have to share withus? Um I think just if I have to narrow itdown to one, it would be let your natural voice come through. And what Imean by that is don't try to write like you think you're supposed to sound onthe page, don't try to write like you know, don't don't fuss about is itcorrect, is it grammatical or anything like that? Put your heart on paper,whatever that looks like and you know worry about the mechanics later. But Ithink people get so hamstrung and they get you know, almost like stage fright.I don't I can't write this, I don't have enough education or I don't knowwhere I'm going or I don't know what, you know those kind of things. But ifyou let your natural voice come through and write about things that are, Youknow, come from deep inside you, that's where to start that. That could, youknow, hopefully get you going for at least 17 pages and then you'll think,well what was I thinking? I'm good at being a financial plan, I should doinventory control. I was thinking about uh Yeah, exactly. No, no, I wasthinking about the question because one of the one workshop that I've done acouple of different times is how do I love letter? And it's for anybody, notjust it's not a writing workshop, it's yeah, it's one hour and everybody uhyou know, anybody can come in and, and I was giving it um in Cannon beachOregon, beautiful little town at this um um lovely seaside um conference roomor something like that and anybody could come and it was free and um Ikind of walked them through the steps and you know, ask the questions andthings like that. And there was this giant like lumberjack looking guy wayin the back of the room and he had his car hearts on and his plaid shirt andeverything and he just broke down and started crying and he said this is sogood. I didn't know I could write and I was like, oh my gosh! And it wasbecause I kept telling them, don't worry about, you know how it, how itlooks like it's supposed to sound just yeah. Putyour heart on paper and steer. Oh, I wanted, I'd love to take that course.What a beautiful idea. How to write a love letter. That's a great title of abook. Okay. You know, we are running really close to time. So Susan onemoment, stick around. We're going to ask one more question of you becauseit's one of our favorites. We're not going to kick you out just yet, butnobody wants to tell us about, needs to tell us about the podcast. Well, firstwe want to remind all of you out there to check out our podcasts will alwayspost links under announcements. Each time a new one comes out, it is so muchfun. Y'all were having so much fun with all these new interviews and not onlydo we post the audio of our live web shows like this one, but we have allthis original debut content every friday morning. And as we told you lastweek, superstar librarian Ron blog, we all know and love is now that is nowthe captain of our podcast ship because forever and ever. We are going to talkabout ship metaphors. His first podcast with us under the friends and fictionwriters, Black banner debuts this week on june 11th with our Christie Woodson,harvey wade rouse and Alyssa friedland in case you're like a lot of us. Soyou're having a little trouble finding your puff. But I said it was so fun. Itwas so, it was so fun. I already listened to it. It was really, reallygood. Y'all can't, y'all are gonna want...

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...book about some bad kids, wowillustrated, staple it together. Yeah, yeah, stapler with the Lions. Thosewere probably my earliest influences that I can think of. I love to haveyour I love that story. So everybody out there since we're talking about mymom shops and dury's, we want to encourage you to grab Susan's book TheLost and Found Bookshop which came out in paperback yesterday. There it is,don't forget to visit the Liberty Bay Bookshop page to order Susan's book andall the fab five books including preordering christians, upcoming TheForest of Vanishing Stars and Mary Alice is the Alice The Islander Susan,thank you so much for being with us today. Thank you. Thank you. You guys thank you. This was such apleasure. I our this is my favorite. Our thank you. Thank you. I justsubscribed on my phone. So your bag, we'll talk to you on the podcast. Y'alldon't leave. Yeah, yeah, thank you again by you. Now find we say goodbyeto Susan, but y'all don't leave yet. We've got lost a lot to say during oursit and stay with story point after show and come back next week. Same time.Same place because it's the launch of my middle grade novel, The Islandersand I've invited my Clock or Angela May and Sy Montgomery. But now for the getyour wine ready story point line, Oh, hey everybody, thanks for hanging witha an important part of the after show. Where did she go with? Does with. Therewe go. There we are with everybody. Welcome to our stories. It's hard tosay that many s is in a row is stay sit down today with story point after showand as we mentioned earlier, we're happy, happy, happy to be partneringwith story point wines as the official sponsor of our after show. All summerlong. It will be the summer of story point here on Friends and fiction. AndI would also like to remind you is meg said you came up with the name mary.Kay, you know I love alliteration, I know it's my fault that sip you justsay story point. I have to say that maybe no smiles. Exactly. So storypoint as you know, comes in three varietals, chardonnay, pinot noir andcabernet. I like all three but what I really like is what they stand for. Alove of stories in storytelling as they say, its story point many great storiesand ideas unfold over a shared a bottle of wine. So who knows better than thatthan all of you and us here at Friends and fiction. So every Wednesday nightthroughout june july and august, we hope you'll stick around for thefriends and fiction after show to sit and stay with story point since we'rewait, no, no, not yet. Oh, okay. Let me kill you first way putting me in nosurprise way. She did not want to be in charge of the sound effects. She did,she did say that. Okay, so because we're about to liberation here. We wantto talk about sip and stay story point sir. Private. Okay now. Okay wait, okayahead. Say, hey wait, how are you? This is fun. You needed to see you. But soPaula meet all the ladies I think you know everyone know mary Alice. Hi Paula,chris Houston, mary Alice. Remember dancing in a nightgown and crazy text.I had the best costume right that night and Christie was a princess. Yeah, shestill is. Yeah. And have you ever, I've...

...never met mary. Kay, I'm absolutelypleasure. The pleasure is all mine. And so um, I hesitate to say that we couldhave a story point, surprise 15th day a lot of trouble. So lord, so before wemove on I want to tell everyone out there that Paula is going to be with uson the show on well I 1714 mega correct. Get it straight, get it straight. Ithink it's july 14 july 14th I could be making that and we are going to betalking about her fabulous, amazing new york times bestseller when the stars godark. Wait to ask her how she decided to write go totally, totally, yep. Um crossed over to the dark, that thing,that thing, nothing. And we are in California right now and um which iswhere the book takes place and where you did your research? Yeah, not far.And I'm a California native, so it's really great to be back vibing with allthe good energy. We're here cooking and hiking and writing, writing andbrainstorm and restoring. Yeah, there might be a there wasn't tonight I todayI got I got a beach hair so that works right. You're always looks like you'reready for a magazine way. I just had an idea that you guys should do somethingcalled Ojai from Ojai, oh hi from Ohio okay From Ohio but I'm sorry this isthis is like back to a minute ago. But you really have, I mean you've writtena lot of genres because you started out in memoir, right? I started outactually in poetry and poetry. I didn't have a memoir about growing up infoster care. Um then I have a first novel which is contemporary and thenthat's when I had the idea for the paris, right? So then three historicALs and then I blew the roof off thriller. I don't want to really startjuly from the feed show. So you think it's right, it's the first time I'vegone. Maybe I do it Rome, maybe that's my theme, maybe that's your thing.Maybe I'm like Madonna and I just reinvent myself every decade. Like Ijust have to do that to, you know, you just go rogue. Yeah, well I think we dohave to, we have to say yes to opportunities that invite us, you know,to change and to grow and when instruments incomes. That is terrifying.We still have to say yes because it's a threshold and if we have the grit andthe courage to cross the threshold, then we'll be taken to a new place andcreatively and women, we have to continue to grow or else what are wedoing here? 100%. I, you know when I read your New York Times piece, um,Paula wrote an amazing essay. Was it modern love? It was modern love. Yeah.And uh, it was so brave and so uh uh, poignant and all the things. Andthen I can see how as a writer, I can kind of see how youwere there and then you went, Yeah, Teresa and that piece, you know, Ithink one of the reasons why I wrote it is because I've needed for myself toconnect the dots. I do think Joan Didion has a line. Something like it'sgood to stay on nodding terms with our former selves. I think that our formerselves again, if we look back with open eyes and are willing to really lookclosely, I think we can learn a lot from the past and pull it forward. Andso I want to go back through and see the ways my childhood trauma, um, wasaffecting my current everything. And really every relationship, everyromantic relationship I've ever had. Um, and obviously it feeds into my work tothe trauma and this book When the Stars go Dark is all about, you know, howtrauma shapes us and then how we can...

...free ourselves from right the patternsof the past, the shackles of early experiences to um, to rescue ourselvesright where you come in, how is it possible and how can we resolve thewinds of the past? Yeah, I wish we had been able to get into that with Susanbecause she alluded to it a little bit when she was talking about was in wigs.I wish I had big, it was his grocery store. Somebody has to go and kombuchafor my friends. I just think Susan really touched on that beautifullyabout how we can look back and you know how she had to make choices and shemade different choices and how it all led to the author. She is today and Godknows, she's written so many different books. She wrote um romance, she wrotehistorical romances and she wrote um women's fiction and God only knows thatno one is going to hold her back, but it's again deciding to keep keep theflow going and writing. Which yeah I loved how she kind of okay mind her ownexperience and she didn't talk a lot about that but I love to have heardabout it, talking about you know some kind of loss in her life and um I knowher mom is still living, she talks about her mom and her social media. Soum you know maybe we should lighten it up a little. What do you think? Yeah,celebrating that Kristen is number nine on the new york times. You're going tocelebrate your story point ladies. Your point line for that. Okay so if youwere going to ever own a bookstore, your own bookstore, what if you've everfantasized about that? What would what would be, what would your bookstore beand what would what would it be called even do you know? Oh gosh. Christine.Christine, Christine. She knows what's your bookstore called? Christie. So mybookstore would actually be on a boat that stays docked all the time, whichis kind of, you've run in my book feels like falling. You kind of get the ideaof this um, anybody out there and it would be called sequel but it would bespelled like S C A U L Oh my God, genius. I know you're going to open thestore you go to. I can talk will into letting me, he'slike, because you don't have enough to do. That's a really good idea. Let'ssee if you can just work go completely crazy. Yeah. Okay. If only you didn'thave to raise a child and write books. It should be a way to include airstreamtrailers in a book. Yeah, like that they were sort of butted and therewould be like reading nooks and curved space is like a book, like a coolbookmobile. What with cocktails? Is that what you're saying? I love likeyou did the wine tastings in California, although maybe wine and a book, but itwould be like, what's the place in florida? It's seaside that has all theairstreams. Oh, I don't know. Yeah. Oh two that they're like hotels or roomsfor a hotel and they're in a circle around the pool, which is not aterrible idea because who doesn't like to read by the pool? Absolutely done bygenre. Right. In the current fiction backlist like that. I just you andchris you're actually on a roll here. So what are we going to, what are yougoing to call it, Paula said, what are we going to call it? I think the namesequel. Yeah, I I'll do not understand. But do you mind on a sailboat and callit best sailor and you can call your equal? I yeah, there you go. Oh my gosh,This is so creative. We went to a bookstore today that is an outdoorentirely out entirely up books and it was I mean what if it rains? I just mymind and I said do you guys have awnings you put down or he said, no, wehave like covers on most of the books and it doesn't rain sideways here. Iwas like okay, but very dry climate. It's very dry, kinda. So the used booksare on the kind of outdoorsy part and the brand new books are a little bitmore protected. They have like, help...

...come. Yeah, it was an album, I don'tknow. Beautiful. And then and then on the end caps it was all succulents.Yeah. Oh my God. Who is a video? So I'll post on my social media. You guyswant to see him? Really? Thank you. Really? With best sailor getting fire can't hurt with their christian. If it shouldbe a bookstore called sequel or a protein drink. E. Q. U. L. E. Millennia.Because millennials don't really they don't care. S. E. Q. U. L. I mean Isomeone told me recently that I am actually an elder millennial which wasnice. Like it's nice to be called an elder. Anything you wanna talk thatyou're giving which is nice. So um but you know. Yeah I mean I like that. Itcan it can be both like I could sell the protein shakes. It could be a newkombucha. I'm also a big kombucha fan. So patty. If you have any suggestionsI'm on it I don't think it'll probably preoccupy me for the rest of the nightchristian. What are you going to call your bookstore? I have absolutely noidea. I can't beat any of that. So just I'm out. Yeah. I admit to find I'mgoing to visit your bookstores girls. I'll come. It could be miss miss junebooks. Yeah, that is true. I could yeah, I I really haven't done enough with mystatus as a centerfold. So you're right, you haven't? So I was thinking theforest of book stars. It's probably not as good as sales. Sailor Sailor Sailorbestsellers. Great. I was going to call mine just beach books and it would onlysell um, books that you would want to read at the beach and maybe yeah, maybeI'll just like, you know, since we're fantasizing, I'll just like move itfrom beach town. The beach town in the little uh, can start in the south. Yeah,I started in the deep south when summer comes. You know, basically in februaryflorida, you know, florida ruling. Yeah. Yeah. But I like this sailor. I'mreally pissed off Christie that you Mhm. Still that idea. There will be someopportunities to franchise if you would like, we can talk about this. This iswhy that's why you're our CFO you're always thinking I do like that when Irun across somebody who's on the beach reading something that's not beachy.You know, like a big biography of Lincoln yeah. Average spirit andoutliers in your beach. Yes, definitely mobile or whatever. Maybe you couldhave like a shelf of irreverent options. There you go. Oh Ilike that hive mind here. We've thought about the most perfect bookstores ever.Well, we have to just start opening them right now. We have spare time. Wegot to keep writing them. Okay I know. Our evening rods. Oh God no one pleasedo not. Oh my God. Oh oh guys it's not happening Christie. Um do you want totalk about how we're trying to boost story point? Yes I do. So um we'rereally close to you guys to 1000 instagram followers for story point.Y'all go follow them on instagram here look um wow straight path is talkingI'll pull it up. Okay so you know what would be fun if you could also snapsome selfies with a glass or bottle of story points and then you can tag themand tag friends in fiction and we will put it in our stories. We will. So ifyou want to follow them there at Story point lines can you see it? Yeah. Lineson Instagram 955 followers really, really close. Yeah, that means a lot.You, you all know how grateful we are that you support us. So we're almost at1000. We can do this. Yes. And so you know, that's it for ustonight. You guys see you next week. It's a big week for us because we'regoing to launch mary Alice's middle grade book the Islanders. Yeah, yeah.And how nice to see you my fries. Well,...

...thank you. That was a super fun littleinterlude. And what are you cooking? What are you cooking, kombucha fordinner, Do you friday? Amazing. Cook. Amazing. You first. I'm making, we'remaking street tacos tonight with mango and cilantro and pickled red onions andnot uh, roasted peppers and chicken. Oh my gosh, what time we had a meltedcheese feta cream and come and fill it up to because he's totally yeah, Everybody in real time, We're at 9 81 on storypoint. You guys can everybody thank you for tuning in, Join us everyweek on Facebook or YouTube, where our live show airs every Wednesday night atseven p.m. eastern time. And please subscribe to our podcast and follow uson instagram. We're so glad you're here. Yeah.

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