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Episode 9 · 1 year ago

Friends and Fiction with Jasmine Guillory

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Jasmine Guillory discusses her New York Times Bestseller PARTY OF TWO and her transition from the practice of law to writing romance. https://www.jasmineguillory.com

Welcome to friends and fiction by bestselling authors, andless stories. Friends in fiction is a podcast withfive best selling novels, whose common love of reading writing and independentbookstores bound them. Together with chasts author interviews andfascinating insider talk about publishing and writing. These friendsdiscussed the books, they've written the books theyr reading now and the artof story telling, if you love books and you're curiousabout the writing. World you're in the right place, bestselling novels Mary K, AmensCristen, Harmel Christ, Woodson Harvey Patty Callahan Henry and Mary AlisMonroe our five long time. Friends with more than eighty published books totheir creditat, the start of the pandemic. They got together for avirtual happy hour to talk about the books, your favorite bookstores,writing, reading and publishing in this new unchartered territory. They'restill talking and they've added, fascinating discussions with otherprestselling novels, so joined em lie on their friends and fiction, BasebulGoo page every Wednesday at seven PM, eastern or listen in you later at yourleisure everybody and welcome to friends. OtFiction. Our weekly basebook life show featuring author chats in support ofindependent bookstores Ar Community of readers. Here on friends of fiction hasgrown to almost thirteen thousand members and we could not be morethrilled to be welcoming you here tonight. So let's get started, I'mcristen Harmel and my latest is the book of lost names which comes out injust six days C, see what's in Harvey, and my latestnovel is fills like Falling Im. Mary Alislagro and my Ladis Movel is onOcean Boulevard and I Mary K, Andrews and my latestbook is Hello Summer, and this is friends ind fiction. We are so ladgeO'r here, of course, we're missing our fifth Patty Calihen Henry who's latestis becoming M Lewis she's visiting family that she will be back next week,we're going to miss er lot tonight. But tonight, as you can see, we have a newface among us, a nother, wonderful, special guest. We are thrilled towelcome New York Times, bestselling superstar, Jasmine Gillory, the authorof the wedding date, the proposal, the wedding party, Royal Holiday and Partyof two, which I handy had right here. I was jusing out a few weeks ago and wasof course, an instant New York Times the seller. You may remember that theproposal Jasmine's second novel was a reas Witherspoon, hello, Sunshine.Bookclub pick, which is amazing. Cosmopolitan magazine Has Seid ofJasmine that everything she touches turns to gold and clearly they arerights. She has become a queen of the Rong Com and I have to say I am prettyhonored that we share a literary agent, the Fabulous Holy Roots. So I feel likeI'm in great company and I'm so glad that Jazmine is here tonight with us onfriends and fiction, so welcome Jazman, wellthink, it Goming. So before we get rolling everyone. Ijust want to remind you that every week we feature an independent booksellerand this week we're working with bank square books in Mystic Connecticut. Youcan head over to our fends and fiction page to find e link to bank squarebooks where all of our new books ship free, no coupon code required, which isactually a bit more of a discount than our usual ten percent. And, of course,that includes Jasmin's party of two tonight which well be talking about. Wealso wanted to tell you that tonight we'll be donating one dollar per booksold to the Hurston Right Foundation, which supports emerging blackwriders,which we all think is so important for creating more diversity andrepresentation in literature in years to cop so now josmine without furtherado. We are so happy to have you here and we would love to start off bytalking a little bit about what you've been up to these last few weeks sinceyour newbook came out- and I think we'd all be so interested to hear how theshutdown is impacted, your tour, how you've been still finding ways toconnect with readers, things like that yeah, you know of cours, like my Oltrtours weretrol, so my first, we Um- I did, I think, an event like four eventsthat week and then a few the following week, and I have to say like going intoit. I was really worked like I kind of thought. A ritual tour would feeldepressing that you know 'cause. One of the thingsthat I really love about new booksand and going on before is being able tomeet readers and track with them, but it was. It was really exciting, like itwas great to be able to chat with, like author friends, about my booking abouttheir books and people that I wouldn't necessarily have goten to talk tobecause of geography. You know now it's easier to like set up that stuff and tobe able to have like people from all...

...over the place be able to join theseevents, which isn't usually the case, so that part was really exciting, and Igot to hear you know it got interesting questions from Um from readers like Alfrom all over, so that that's been really lovely and I and I've Gotte tolike be on the other side and some of those event and sai you know, did avirtual event with Mastrob for her newest book, which I loved Alo here andthen earlier this week I did a virtual Avan um with Kate Samon London, whosedebut novel just came out. It's called one to watch so that was really fun tolike, be on the other side of that and get to talk to like writers sees work. I really loveabout their work, it you know in a in a way that, like it, it's not better thanbooks for events 'cause. I love those, but it's different in a fun. So thathas been good. Like Ann. I'm glad that I was like. I was wrong to be worried about it. Youknow it's been a lot better than I than I thought it would be. You know it.It's cool 'cause! I feel like this is m. it's become this new normal now and I Ifeel like when we go back to things being as they were. I think this isgoing to continue 'cause, it's a completely new way to interact withreaders. I mean it's just been. I think we all agree right like it's. Just A orWule new change, Yeh o. When I go one cor, I ole been able to go to place S.go ahead, Jaso Press Wath, like bookstores, who managed to just figureit out really that Yan they knew how to do the zoom thing and set this up andlike they just Oyou know they got their tech people on it really early. I think we were all still figuring thatout and bookstores have really led the way and H T so I've been reallyimpressed with it. US toosn sweet. We sort of stumbled our way into existenceright. Ladies a Anplatlyn, the things that I wanted was going to say is thatwe are reaching bookstores too an that or people in communities that couldn'tgo to yeah absolutely yeah Li had en a bonus for that yeah yeah. I sorry tosee no. I was just going to say you definitely hid on this, but it's beenso fun. I was actually lake laying in bad this morning. Thinking about this'cause Mary Alic and I ad did an event together this afternoon and it's beenso fine to get to like meet authors that I've never met before and like do.You know events with authors that I've never met in real life and I mightnever have had the opportunity to and now I feel like, I'm going to be kindof spoiled when I go back on real to er, because I love Ju t being inconversation with another author and all the cool places, an that takes youmhm good points. Yeah I Miss Room Service, Though II did actually trythat first week I was like all right. I'm just going to try to make maybeorder a lot of deligere to try to pretend t o Theyo Toyou, but it was nice 'cause, I'm in California. So a lot ofmy events were, like you know, four or five o'clock, California time and then,by the time that they're done, I was like I have to think about dinner. LikeI didn't prepare. Well, I didn't like do go to the grocery store right beforeeverything started. So I didn't have everything. So it was line. It's justIljsrosui, that's better, but we were talking before we went live,though about like the problem with French fries, like French fries. Justdon't arrive correctly right B. That is something we really miss about. Theworld lied a few times. I have tried to order,then eroer or like curbside, pick up a lot of the restaurants a around here.Jua, it's just not the same. I've just given up it like I feel like Frenchtribes, will be a thing that I will save. You know for after the PAM TEMACI ill keep ackalive thou'll have fro that's right, Ho hand, shakes andFrench Fri agreed, so Um Si Jasan. We want to diveinto asking some questions of you, but first I just wanted to mention we havybirthday coming up among us. One of us is turning, I isum twenty nine twentynine norrow for day ant, I'm just gonna, I'm just staying there. I feel likeit's Gish for me. If you Google me twenty nine still comes up, so I don'treally see a reason to change. I feel like it's just Erthog, my mom always says the opposite. She's,like you should always say: You're like ten or fifteen years older than you areso that people are like Gosh. She looks great well you still Lo great o, Twenty NineYourhere, a twenty nine year old age. We have the guest on our show. We eachlove to ask a question. So to start off with, we have been asking our guests toanswer the same question. We all answered it last week and Wewere all socurious to hear your answer. So to begin, when you were growing up, whatwere your family's values around reading and writing? Well, I mean this is why I think I'vealways been such a big reader N. my whole life and M, like we just had atone of books in the house, like my...

...parents, were both in graduate schoolwhen I was little, and so they just had so many books that they were alwaysreading. We went to the library all the time I still drive by what was my um, like my child, tolibrary, sometimes which is actually sad for me, because they tore down theold building and I didn't realize they were going to be rebuild it, and so thefirst time I drove by in the building was gone. Like I almost got in a carecel yeah Butyeah, we went to Te Library. All thetime like I you know, reading was just a thing we always did. My Dad wasworking on his distertation when I was little so that, like reading, writing,felt like a thing that you just did constantly, and it was funny one of myfriends who came to stay at my house before the Andenic, like in January,made a joke about how I had like books in so many places in my house. It'slike I'm just waiting for an emergency to happen. When I don't Olike Oy needto book. crazier there Ng out there erbooks everywhere,t'sawsomit's awesome, it's our kind of household is crat e Tor Jusmin. Do youwant to start for telling us a little bit about Partya too yeah? AbsolutelyUm, so party, F, too, is about Libyamanro who, if an of you, have readmy first book, the wedding date Um. She was the sister of the main CharacteriKnokbok and at the very beginning of this book she moved from New York toCalifornia she's starting her own law pactice, with one of her best friendsand she's at her old Dell Harr. She hasn't even moved in to her new placeyet, and she starts chatting with his charming stranger at the bar she's, alittle she's a little suspicious of him. She thinks he's maybe a little tootarming Um and then, when she goes back to her room, she discovers that heisn't just sort of the out of work actor she assumed he was. He isCalifornia's junior centor maxpowel and they run into each other again, a fewweeks later at a funraising luncheon. He pursues her he'd been thinking abouther the whole time, and so they started a little romance Ilove it and there's so much good foodin it. I was so hungry. Eaching this o a lot of desserts R allright MARYANNT. Did you have aquestion for Jaspin? Yes, speaking of Hungary, I Ean, I think yes, I agreeith such a great mood in your arm fooks, but I think party for two was such adelightful romantic comedy it's fun to read, but you'l. also, like a cake, youknow you layr in with it a lot of really serious topics like ofracism andsexism and Piledge, and what I'm curious about is. As of the author, howyou balance that romantic comedy that's lighter with the heavier issues that Ijust mentiond. How do you achieve that? Moulaine? You know, that's something Ithink about a lot Um, because I want the. I want the issues that they dealwith in their conversations to feel real and in real life. There is oftenthat sort of balance where you're you know you're dealing with something hard,but then, like someone makes a joke and you all start laughing and then youknow everybody changes the topic or even keeps going on with the hard thingbut jokes throughout it like. That is something that I wanted to feel realand balanced, and so sometimes you know I will sort of flip from like onereally heavey scene to one really light scene. PARNTL 'cuse, sometimes likethat's what you need in life like when you're going through really heavythingslike. I usually need someone to balance that out for me in life, and I feel like that workswelling, books too. So that's thothing. You know I think about as I'm writinglike I want the peecing to feel right. I don't want it to be too muchheaviness at once, or just in too many scenes in a row, 'cause 'cause. I thinkI want to dress thap sof of my books and I think it's important to have itthere and it feels realistic to have it there, but I don't want that to be thecenter of the book so yeah. It is something that that I do think obout alot as I'm writing. That's really interesting about the pacing too. In ahard time, balanced, chapein chapters not yet yeah. Definitely a Marikay. Didyou have a question? Yeah Um. You know I I I thought your background Jasminwas interesting. You know very few of us go to school to be Nauvelus andum.You know, and I- and I saw Oh, my God this- this chick sh she's got someshe's,got some background on her she's got. You know gosy and San Forlo, and Iwondered when you gave up the law and not only switched to fiction but to wrongcon, which you know I I I kinda write someof that too, and...

...did you get pushedback from say, familyor friends or professional colleagues who had said k? What are you doing allthat education right down the drain? Did you get pushed back noreally? Imean, I think it helps that I was doing both at the same time for awhile yeah, and so I didn't stop practicing law until I knew that atleast for a little while I mean keeping our fingers across that I would be ableto to succeed. I SA re. You know, I think it also helps that Ihad been packising olf for a while. So my you know I was old enough that myparents, you know I liked my dad- did- have a very funny reaction. When I toldhim an I was coming out with Romances first, he was just excited likeYouwerea Bok, that's so exciting, and then he was very excited for a whileand then like all of a sudden it clicks and he was like Aa Ros Gon Mesexonad Dore, those partStou he till Starta, but it's less because of the stigmotor and Nord cause.My Dad just asn't wane away very smaltl Girl Al about that. Felan friends were all reallysupportive and excited for me, which was really wonderful and now you're sosuccessful. You could kind of. Let me actually take that quickopportunity to ask t a question of all of you. o All have all of you writtensexenes and what othe people in your lives. Think of them. I mean I'm justcurious 'cause. I remember for my my first novel. I was so paranoid B'cause.All I thought was my grandparents are going to beat this. My grandparents aregoing to be thisand. You part me. I cu sorry about that. My sister asked'cause. I had given M my mom Um, an early copy of the wedding date whichshe read and then she gave it to my grandma, and so my sister asked mybrandla like so like. What do you think aboutall, the sepsines Jazzon's bookand my grandmother goes. I Hade three husbands, oh grandma, you that's hilarious. What about whatabout you maricate about it, though I didn't want to like that H. I reallycould not write Um. You know for a long time, especiallywhen I started out, writing mystery. So whenever there would be a love scene, Iwould picture like the crime scene tape around it. So I had the reader outsidethe bedroom door. You Know Bay, but I didn't really write a real suxccene.Until my dad was dead. WW He's been dead fifteen years now and Um. You knowhe was Irish, Catholic and Um. I think he, I think, because we havetwo children. He understood that I had had sex a lost question. I've ever gottenanywhere was at a Um. I was at a book sestele or somethingand some of course it was a man said: Um Miss Andrews Um. I understand thatyou're um you're, a mother, and you have agrandchild Ho. How do t how you know? How does that? How does that drive with writing sixt?He did not oh yeah EAH. He did and I just went dud. I ain't dead, yet whatswiththeer SS. I bet you haven'thad in in a long time. Awfulhoware you Maryalis to your bookIveti Cray back o the Nineti son in a lot different N, the nineties. I A Ros,store and call e was the girl in the mirror, and it was a story based onactiol too patient of my father in law, who had ssevere, dropped, Daw and had a inplent,and then she had Pu Afghterwards, but she had an allergic reaction to theimplants and so um it was all about. So I had this story about this woman whophysically became beautiful because of the surgery saw obviously the body andthe senses or part of story. It's a steamy cook. It's a rally, intent it's!I love the story but peparenfor some of my readers now o I don't put sexsins inmy big kiss and I you kno close the curtain kind of a thing, but I enjoyedwriting in number one it. It was very emotional, but whenever I see itsomeone, especially u someone who doesn't look like they want a lot ofsex, FOM herfoks and I see them dbuying...

...all my back list to they buy the girlin the Mirror on his. Maybe you don't want t my sexy, Buk sowants to red my sexy,bon the BER right, not yourself! How about you Christi? No, I I'm sortof like Maryala. I have very sort of like off clame. I mean you know, youknow what's happening and sometimes but there's somethingto Supor, but I'malways like well. My grandmother reads my Bok so, but I do remember this onetime: Um will my husband and my son were in thecar together and they were listening to Ond my books on audio all of a sudden.It just hit me- and I called well- and I was like step chapter. Twenty threeEr t s. i read the girl Han, I can't read becauseof the Sixsines Yeah Geff Wen. I read my audio books, but I couldn't readthat one I just would be exactly od chapter twenty three Ohso. Iwrote my first novel. I sold it in two thousand and four. So I was just aboutto turn twenty five and I didn't know what I was doing and, like I said I hadthe voices of my grandparents in my head, and so I wrote it with that. Ithought I had to have a Saxtcene, and so I wrote it with that, like completeparanoia in my editor at the tiethat. Don't ever do that again, every time. Every time I like t stitdown to write something sexy now, like her voice rings in my ear. Don't neverdo that again. I', like ohnothe embarrassment, comes flooding back nowthat I've taken us on like a sexy side, tripso patty actually left us with aquestion for you. She was disappointed. She couldn't be here tonight, she's offto viit her granddaughter. So it's for a very good reason, but she said I readthis great interview with you in catapults about how hard it was to callyourself a writer. When did you finally feel that happened? When did you feellike? You could really do this? I think for all of it it's TF. All of us isdifferent. You know it's really been only like, since en my first book came out inJanuary two thousand and eighteen, and it was really like at some pointlast year, so maybe at some point intil of the nineteen where I could easilysay I I'm a writer on someone asked Whan. I did a Cexmirat Hor and notthink about it, but it is actually sort of funnybecause now like at the beginning of Party of two one ofthe thing that happens when they first meet, is that Olivia lies Tomax aboutwhat she does 'cause. She doesn't one t say: She's a lawyer because peoplealways say like annoying things, lawyers or nasty things, lowyers sowwhere they are and and now I sort of have flipped, sometimes to going backand telling strangers that I am a lawyer instead of a writer, becausepeople say the weirdest things to you when they find out that you were rightromance like one time. I was in a taxi with my mom and my mom, who, like lovesto Brag atout me so hee, so the dags driver ASSD. What I wrote- and I youknow so I was writer and then, like my mom, said, tha Sh, riht omansulls andthen the cax driger was like o clan fallow, which is it for real life, andI was like asprse. Secondly, MiG morlike WHA, so so that didn't make youmake it like make me feel more normal about thing.I'm a writer, but now I don't want to like have that conversation with people'cause, I don't know if they're going to be crosse or not rde always say. Oh,I bet your research is a lot of fine, O very good answer. Christy, did you have a question forJesin? I do yes, so this just felt like I had to ask it because I just stumbledupon it and you were going to be our guest this week. But I read the amazingpiece that you wrote for the July twentieth issue of time about the powerof black fiction and why we all need to be reading it and was so moved away.The whole piece, but the lie that Youud the world to know not just our pain butthe whole of our lives, and especially our joy nd, that just like sured methat was so beautiful and so I'm sure not all of our viewers have had thechance to read that article. Yet, and so I was wondering if you couldelaborate on it just a little bit for the people who haven't, read it yet andthen maybe give us a couple of recommendations for a black fictionthat we all need to have on our list. The Summer Yeah Um. You know I thinktoo often, especially right now, there's all these like anti racism,reading lists and stuff, or even some of the big fiction list that peoplerecommend Um buyand about black people are kind of the heavier ones and thoseones are all great. But like read books about you know black kids playing or like womenfalling in love- or you know black teenagers like gettinginto college o Beling uccestful like Ol.

That stuff is great too 'cause. It'snot like the whole of our lives is not about the pain and the struggle Um. SoI have a few that I have read recently that I just loved Um. First, you shouldsee me in a crown which is a young adult novel. It is just a joy to read:I really loved it. It is by Lea Johnson it's about this black girl who lives ina small town in Indiana, and she runs for Pronqueen, and so it's a great streB'cause. She was running for P prombeing for a reason. There's ascholarship money attached to it. She really wants to get that to like beable to go to the college she wants to go to. You know she falls in loveduring the book and she's, like figuring that out, she has friendshipstruggles and she sort of figuren out how to you know, work with friends whohave like been her friends for a long time, but now they're kind of growingAhart and she's figuring that out M. I just really love so much about thatthuff, it's just great Um. I also loved from the desk of Sobe Washington, whichcame out earlier this year. It's a middle grade! Well just walk at for mygranddaughter. Oh It's so fun I lo it. I recommend his six Scraner. I justbought it for her yeah. Just so many kids Um. You know it's about a girl wholoves baking and she is like trying to Um. You know be able to get on thispeaking show, but then she's also writing letters to her father who she'snever met before, because he's imprisoned and so barely finding theirway to a relationship together, but t it's still like fun and frofty anddelightful, but it's about real issues and then the boyfriend project by FairRoshan, which is a romance about a woman who lives in Austin Texas. Sheworks in a Te Company and she, you know she's dealing with all the stuff thatcomes from like being a blackoman and working in intect, which is a lot andthen you w she kind of starts a romance with someone who works with her. Whohas his own secrets that she doesn't know bout Andsoantho, it's just such afun story and really interesting. So I just love all those boks, an recommen.Thank you. Thank you and I Wen lovely out when the WHEBS Atri I wride rimdown, so we El in but yon, I was just thinking like I'll, have to loosonshine, cause, I'm sure I'm not watching. Why, but I know everyone's going bootOt. All the page Tyo got right after that soundsPerrefic K he does, and that was great bat actually Heno leads Um. Naturally,a little bit into my question, which is um one of the blurbs I've read aboutyour book is from earlier books in generals from the Seattle Times. Theysay the real pleasure here is the Little World Gillory has created a LosAngeles populated with a divers devoted crowd of Nice people who hold eachother up, treat each other to cup, cakes, have each other's back andoccasionally fall in love. I feel like M. I feel like that when I read yourbooks too, that the world you create on the page is just a really nice one. Doyou think that writing fiction, like that were were kindness and decency?Sort of rule can actually move readers a little further along the roads beingbetter people. I asoutely Dou. Think so I mean even just writing it. It feelslike it makes me want to be a better person or you kind think about you know.One thing I've been thinkng about a lot lately is like we're all going through somethingreally hard, and so I have been really trying to like give people the benefitof the doubt more. You know if, like someone' being gluppy in the grocerystore or cut you off in traffic, like I think like maybe there, maybe their family membersin the hospital, like maybe theyre stress, maybe they just off their joplike all of those things, and so that's something I try to think about infiction like they're always you know your characterswill always do something bad or like something unkind or whatever, but Iwant there to be a good reason for it and for them to recognize. Oh May Ishouldn't have done that like tme. Let me figure out Wai around that,and so it sometimes makes me want to think like would. You know, try to be moreempathetic with other people and then like be Gentleroun, myself 'cause. Ithink we all beat ourselves up about a lot of stuff, and so that's somethingthat I think reading helps with and then writing also thoes too, but a goodanswer yeahyeah. Well, it is so much this is.This has been so enjoyable just finding out more about youjasman Um, so to allit ye watching out there make sure to post your questions for Josmin or forus now we're going to be pulling some alive in a few minutes. I also want toremind you to head over to the friends and fiction faceba group. If you're,not there, allready and there, you will find a link to all of our new books atbank square books, Oliver Book Ship Free, which is actually a slightlybetter discount than our usual ten percent, and that includes Jasmin'sParty of two Mary Alice's on Ocean Boulevard. Christie's feels likefalling Patti's becoming missus Lewis, Mary Ka's hello summer in minew novelthe Book of Lost Names which comes oout...

...in six days. Plus again, we will bedonating a dollar per book to the Hurston Wright Foundation, which helpssupport and foster emerging black riders. As always, each book you buy atan indy store is a good deed rehelping to keep the literary community thriving.Plus you get to read, awesome books, O win win so now te Cor. I sat a chance to askJasman some questions and now we would love to let you do the same. We'vechosen two from among the questions on our facebut page and we would love tolet Jasman answer both of them. So, while you're talking or while we aretalking again, if you have something you would like to ask all of us justpost it below the video and Christi'll be drawing those questions. I'm ad anHel come in right now, O everyone. Do Your work, give us your questions, butmaryalise. Would you like to ask Jasmin as Bers dequestion? Yes, when I havethe FRIS one Ol Lady, this is Um. The ladies of the Taba honeybook circle, inLos Angeles, say this is a finebook series and it's impossible with theadditional characters introduced in the wedding date series, and does each bookhave its own cake and will you ever create a recipe Bo w a not have its own cake, but that's agreat idea: nolike. If he wok with a cake. Whatcake would they be I'm going to have to tier ot out a lot cook. You know it's funny because one time someone asked me if I wouldever write non diction and I was like O- I can't think of any Moun fiction. Iever interested writing and then later someone like whot about a cook book andIwas like okay, maybe in much more of a home cook, so I just I often willlike pull recipes or throw things together, but I'm not like I don't. Ijust you know have learned from doing so,we'll see. If I can, I would ever be able to write a recipe in the way that,like actual recipe, writers do Um that Maght be fun, but I have a lot of myplate in the next year or so so we'll see what that w. That would be a lot of funbookum there might be more books with these Tine characters. We'll see I mean,I think everything right now in a pandamic like I'm, finding writing tobe really hard. I'm proud with myself for any writing. Iget done any day, so hopefully, let's keep our figure Crossda, you novont.That makes me think of what you just said about. You know not beatingyourself up on bea t t yeah very true Marykay. Did you want to ask the otherreader question? Yes, this question is for Debbie Boen B, O en who says I'vepreviously read the proposal and a'm a third of the way through a party of two.What I really like about these two books is a diversity of characters andtheir interactions was the diversity intentional, and if so, what is yourmotivation? I mean it was a dental, a a certain extent,but also it just felt natural. Like the you know, the The Los Angeles that Iknow the Bayr that I know are full of people of all sorts of you knowethinicities and races, Um, that you know I lived in California, my wholelife and that's the California that I see so it d t it wouldn't make sense tome to write a book that didn't reflect the Realiy T. I see so yes, I mean yes,whowas intentional, but also not I didn't have to work for it so, but that was really fun to write. Imean t just didn't like I don't live in Los Angeles and so the proposal, I'mparty two were my two books that are set there. So I had to get a lot ofIntel. You know I did two visits and they got some intelfo friends who dolive there. Um To you, know, figure stuff out and where would people go andwhere would they live and all of that stuffgo a the parts were lots of fun awesome, Um Christi. Do you have a fewlife Qesh? I do. I have some life questions tree guys, Um. Sorry, I'm looking a I'm at I'mjusttell Yo out of town, so my light and stuff is weird. I don't have my legnormal zoom SAF. So I'm sorry, I look a little strange, but that's okay, Um, okay, so Um friend, handleman long wants to knowwhat personal experiences have you had that have influenced your writing soJosmane. Do you want to take that first and then we'l all kind of Chime in Yeah Um? Let me think, or somebody else can take it, so wedon't put Toananchbo Thee, very question: Okay, Mary Alice. What aboutyou? I know you have a good answer to this one notalk about yourself. It t to I been talk about ill takit. First thenUm. This wasn't necessarily like my...

...personal experience and I talked aboutthis earlier today. So sorry, merealist you've just heard this story Um. But Iwas talking about my next book under the Southern Sky. Um Is it's a different kind of story for meand it's about M Simfesen embrios and, like some, you know issues surroundingthem and I really got the story idea from a friend who came to a party onenight and Um. She was pregnant with one at the time and she was like. Oh, mygosh he'll have all these pers and embryos. What am I going to do withthem? You know, I didn't think about this. I didn't think about theramifications of what I was doing and I just thought that was such a reallyinteresting kind of ethical situation. Um and then I sort of ramped it up byhaving the woman whos embryos. They were no longer alive so, but thatdidn't necessarily happen to me, but I feel like it was. You know it wassomething that someone said to me and- and she said Ho- should write bookabout this Sance I've been thinking about it for five years and Um. It was really really interesting towrite. I'm going Ta try to move myself E. I'm sorry about my light here, fineS Y! What do you think? What's your answer, you know, I think, Um, it's not so much experience as I've hadbut like relationships that I've had ihavereally influenced my writing. LikeUm, one of the things like, especially in the proposal. The main character inthat book has two really good friends and they're sort of constantly textingeach other and ask each other for a vice, and that is absolutely how Iinteract with my friendships. Like they're, very close to me. You know myfriends, I text for advice all the time. It was actually actually two of thefriends that I w s sort was thinking about. As I wrote that friendship story,one of them has a teenage daughter and she does thos just today like Ow, herdaughter got this really cute hair cut and she was like. Are you going to testyour friends and show them youere haircut and her daughter was like whyDoa do that? That's stupid and Sheike. We I mean we do that at's funny and then she told her oo.Bays are old and I was like to Oer linedhappy Brirtie Christytomorrow, how about how about Marikay ormaryalist either? You have anything you wanted to answer for that. You know mwhen it rode hello summer. It's about a a big city, journalist and I was a bigcity journalist long time ago and M, and so I did try to channel some of theexperiences Um that I had as a newspaper reporter and the idea thatsometimes you write a story and you get a lot of pushback Um from the community.They don't want Ta. They don't want to know the truth about somebody and Um,and so I thought about that. A Lot when I was riding the book, but the the mainthing was at the beginning of the book and the beginning of Hell of th summer.It's at comly's going away party in the newsroom of the Atlanta JernalConstitution, which, as the last paper I worked at, and so I kind ofchannelled that and I thought about. Oh Gosh, you always get this stale cake,stale, shee cake and you know lukewarm, champagne and m. You know half thepeople. There hate your guts because you're going somewhere better, so that was that was kind of fun. Tothink about yeah, a Awsome, how about Maryalic? So many experiences I ma do with mydlife, and I write about this, but I remember one thing a summon said was my wasactuall, my daughter who finally read the beach is ten years after it cameout, and I had already written continuingbooks and she said she was reading about how Lovyn the character had anabuseive, husband and shew mine. I don't see why Lovi just didn't leadher husband. I don't understand- and it was a really enlightening momentto me- and I went oh, my goodness little girl, because in the nineteenseventies it was a very different time, especially in Charleston South Carolina,and I knew that this whole young generation had no idea why a womanwould stay in that marriage at that time in his dream, and sothat's when I wrote down becouse Memorie so that the childrenwerd my children as well as other people, would understand that decisionis ou Ko that heartbreaking decision makes sense, Christi Ha how Abou some otherquestions yes M, so Julie Boby wants an Owr any of you planning on writing abook about this time of Covid or plan to, and Oh yes, ges at you dive in first your aguest, not right now I mean I feel like...

...this is a time when I'm going to needto be able to reflect on it after it's over to be able to write about it.Anplay mhmbecause. You know it's still so ongoing like hello and where will itend like 'cause? I'm too close to her right nowand I feel like certain things you have to take some time to write about so I'msure I'll write about it at some point, but I think it'll be a while yeah. I'mactually doing that. A very thing I actually don'I mit's difficult in a way,and it's not differenal jazznonly, because the it's bout, the interpresialrelationships in the family I'm experiencing and I'm exploring, is Arabsively loring it. But we were saying just earlie when I was talking oChristy earlier. I didn't know how this sun is seally going to end. Is theregoing to be a Herrcha or what's going to happen in August? I I'll cut it offin August, but my goodness, I I've never had a bloraactually have to live in real time. NOIT's challenge, and I it's something I just want to talkabout. While it's fresh becames, I'm going through it, I can't quite figure out if twentytwenty is going to be the most written about year in modern history or theleast written about your omnow. I feel like it's going to go one of the twoways: it's not going to fall in the middle. Exactly I don't think you know I'm halfwaythrough my summer, twenty one book and Um. As far as that novel's concerned,twenty twenty hadn't happened. Yet my my readers come to my my fiction foran escape and for a good time and m. As far as I can tell, there's not a wholelot, O rss in Apendan B t you know, I find that there is. I am finding somereally beautiful moments with t e family and shoring each other ut and like people living with each other,like a niece's living with me. Now that wouldn't have happened in another time. You know I an actually sister o Mell. How often would she be able to justleave California move in with me for the summer? So it's actually twosisters. We have a little timng going on, but you know it's. This is anoddmoment. In Tim, I play bonopoly with my grandchildren. How cool is that yeah? I Um my thosand and twenty one Buk startedin April of twent Y, twenty and Yoall know because I like didn't catch it like no one calledit. I had read it. My editor had read it and I got my copy out its back and Iwas like. Oh my God. I just wrote a book that starts in April of twentytwenty, like that can't happen and it it ended up not being that big of adeal, but the book spanned like thirty years, and there were some places inthere where I moving something back three years made it so like I wouldn'thave had that kind of cellphone or that album would't have beenout or youknow, Theye were like little. It was not a huge deal, but it was just funnythat, like three years can make that much difference. But I thought I don'tknow when this is going to end. So there's no way that I can put out abuck in twenty twenty one. Talking about you know September twent y twenty,because I don't know it September. Twenty twenty is Goin to loo like that was true. Yet a lesson it was alesson: Wenyou have to change things, my Umforthe Bokalasni, no, not the book last names, the windemaker's, wife Um. There was a scene that centered aroundneutrodon and I think we were in second pass pages when Um when the Fire Halthere, and so I had to go in and completely rewrite the scene like atthe Elev. I mean it just changed the tone of that part of the Ling because-and I had to do it so hastily, but I mean, but I couldn't have ha d like ajoky scene about Notno I mean- and thank goodness hat happened. You knowwile. I still had time to fix it, so that was kind of crazy, but those weregreat questions. So on s no jasmine on every friends and fiction episode, wetri to give our viewers out there a writing tip. So you we have a lot ofaspiring writers with us. So tonight we thought that people might want to hearthose words of wisdom from you. Do you have a tip for people trying to write anovel? I do my biggest writing. Thip is to read as much as you can um you know.Reading like just reading in general helps with your writing. 'cause. Itexpands what you know about fiction expands what you know about writinglike how different people do things in different ways, and that's: Okay. Youitintrouces you to different. You know ways of putting together sentencesdifferent words like that's all great but then also in the Geno that you'retrying to read ind like read a ton,...

...because I see I get. You know something.People ask me questions about certain things and the answer is often justread a lot more in that genre and it will help you know the answer like. CanI do this, or can I do that or how long does this have to be or all of thatkind of stuff like you'll know, if you, you know, if you read twenty books, TeTaenre you'll know more. You know, it'll come more naturally to you, youwon't wonder. Um Anand Yo won't feel uncertain in a way you'll like you'll,be able to understand. So I think you know just diving into books like Goa.You know, I know people can't go to Ha library now, but like death, librariesand get litery books, you know pe book or you know, get them from like curbs.I pick up from your libary of Thats Open M. do whatever you can to justread a tongue 'cause, it teaches you so much more than you would find out inany like gouling about the genre. Any of that you're totally right. I feellike there's a rhythm to books to, and you have to you almost have tointernalize that rhythm as like. It can't be something someone tells you todo x, ynz. It has to be something that you just know and your gut and then youcan pour your story onto the page at such a tha, and when I was you knowwhen I first started writing like I sent. You know a little bit ofsomething that I'd written to a friend and she was like. You need to go backand look at. You know if there are books that you really loved 'cause likeI was struggling, the dialogue and she was like O, go back and read those andpay attention to how they do that long, and that helps me more than anythingelse has ever done like. I would you know, 'cause. I bee reading a book forthe first time, you're just sort of experiencing it, but when you go andreread it and think hard about the choices that they made or what you know,why is the structure in one way you learn so much about it and I learn thatonue just doing that s interesting that you mentioned dialoguespecifically 'cause. I think that's something you do really really well, Imean that's something that really to me about your writing really stands out,so you obviously learn really well so onfriends in fiction. We also liketo share the books. We're reading and Jasmine gave US m some great bookrecommendations. I know Marykay that you had a book recommendation tonight,Yeah Um what you wish for Catherine Center's new book and she writes UmDelightful Rom coms. Last year's things you save in a fire, my daughter and Iread Katy and I real a lot of the same books and Um. That was one of herfavorites last year. I was going to hold it up tonight, but she's actuallygot it. She snatched it away from me. What' Ali ot is meaudy and stuff. Isaid a we. Her lie te Biter at sint, Marton's press, so she's kind of my mypublishing sister, but I love her books and that just came out this week, so I've heard have heard good things aboutit. So far, that's great how about Maryalice or Christie did either. Ifyou have a book you'd like to share tonight Wel last week I recommended us, SusanWig's, the oysterville sewing circle, and I got a lot of commenting. Whatabout the bookshop of M lost and found, which is her new book and I've beenreading that and it's just wonderful and it's it's it's y. If you finish theone it's time to move into, is e big. Second one. I have a very special book that I'mgetting ready to talk about in just a second, so we can. Okay, do you Wan tellus about next meetChristy about was that was happening next way. Next week is pretty much thebiggest week we've ever had on friends infiction, because Cristien harnels thebook of all names Orleases on Tuesday, and I just want to say you guys. I meanwe hinted this, but if you're new, this is your first time. If you don't know Christian is our godmother like shemade all of this happen, we all were like. Oh, we should start o face, ThiLage show and the next week Christian's like okay. Here it is like we're readyto go and we did it and it was because of her, and so, if you enjoy thes showtell her. Thank you guy going right now and pre ordering her new book becauseit comes down on Tuesday. I have pread, it we've all read it. It is it's one of my fave. Definitely one ofmy favorite books of the year. Maybe one of my favorite books ever it isabout a librarian who um is a works as a forger and sames thousands andthousands of M Jewish children in particular I'm during World War. Twoand it is a beautiful story. I absolutely loved it. I cannot sayenough nice things about it. We have all read it. We have all loved it. Wehave all put our blorbs all over the place, so the Bok, don't let me talk about itanymore. It's fabulous, but e has a huge surprise for us next week, Um. Inaddition to her beautiful, wonderful bug, we are welcoming our very firstmusical guests and...

...their big time. It is inblock and drewcopeland from the multiplatinum band sister Asel, yes, sister Hazel. I knowI couldnot believe it when she said that I'm there going to join us for anintimate chat about storytelling and song, you probably know them from theirnineteen. Ninety seven mega hit all for you. If you don't. You were probably notborn yet in nineteen. Ninety seven, because if were alive, N Honine, undredand ninety seven, you know that's song and that song lose o on in Sa a goodTong and like as soon as she said it. I was like singing it. You know whato it so so good and hey might even seeingone of their hit songs for us on the show and, of course, we'll also becelebrating the launch of Christians, the Book of lost names which she'll betelling us all about so make sure to be here for the official Christian HarmelBook of All names. Fest, that's what it's going to be! It's going to beamazing, we're going to have a big celebration, she's going to tell usabout the book Wednesday July. Twenty second seven PM, be there orbe, F bten! Do we need tohave Fishi that' The answer for Qhristian? What kind of thin O have on Andoh? No, I don't o answerto that champagne soaps cake. Can we tell aChamlain CA, togetherwe Lak, a paint on the side yeah! Thank you, Christye! Those were reallynice things to say, and- and I disagree with you about Um about being thegodmother or whatever our friends in fiction, we we all- we all, played, Ithink, a supervital role in starting it and it w get me. No, no Ewe do that. Weall we all bring something Um different to the table, and it's just been thisgift that we've bebeen able to do this. I mean, I think it's grown because ofyou know, because of what we all bring in them because of the wonderful gastslike Jasmine that we're inviting on so it's been we' just had these wonderfulconversations and we're so grateful to all of you out there who have beenjoining us. I know a lot of you have been here since day. One a lot of youare new, I hope Um. I hope you're enjoying this as much as we are sothink I sat it. Ejesin is fun as a guess. You have to tell it and Jus, Ithink, O Bi somer dranemy Love Noi, you it woul such a treat to have you jasmenand m you you were Ou, know I've always known. You were wonderful, becauseobviously we share holy but, and I love your books but Um. It was justdelightful to to meet the person behind these words that make me smile and makeme laugh, and it was. This was wonderful, so thank Yo for being withus and to all e you out there one more remindyeur to support our books dollerother week, Bank square books. The link is on the friends and fiction page andyou get free shipping on any of our new books. Plus we will be donating adollar perbook sold to the Hurston Right Foundation. Christi's birthday isthis week, so it would be a great time to order. The latest feels like Halling,intense but also Um, consider picking up aparty of two. I know a lot of you picked it up. Last week, youep beenposting your pictures of it, but this is Jasmin's latest, which is wonderfuland please do join us on our friends and fiction page to ask US yourquestions and to interact with other readers and please join us next weekwhen we welcome kedlock and drew cokland from the band sister Hazel. Soanything else, ladies before we go tight, just join us on ours, on Olovoursocial media join us on Instagran and facebook. I know Dasmins you're activeon instant, aren't you Wy, absolutely and Switer Yolotnitter to I think, yeah, that's where you can find outabout the real off the page. US exactly! That's true, and anything elseis just big. Thank you for being here todaysmen. That was really fun yeah. So much for having me this waswonderful. Thank you for the recomendations I MIDOA. I we e Oemwitted treat and what, if in night, thank you so much Shasman and to all ofyou out Ber. Thank you for spending some time with US tonight. So we arefriends in fiction and that's Rounh good night, Ana Dai. Thank you, erewine, O for teway. So that was great. Wasn't she delate o?She was awesome. She really. I mean I knew she was going to be awesome.'cause yeah bugs are so good and charming, and but she was wonderful,she really was. She was very engaging for sure soften OA bit. She recommendeda middle grade book that I just literally bought for Molly who's goinginto sigrade who loves to bake, but so oftenactually. That was a booksellerrecommendation from Um murdered by the book in M Houston. Oneof my favorite bookstores recommended that book. So so, when I found hit for Mali, I was soexcited. That's all O that she bought it her because the coincidence, butalso I've, been watching you all summer doing baking with our granddaughter sogood choice. That' SOS good reminder of that way. Iwas just going to say: That's a good reminder about why um independentbooksellers are so important. I mean...

...because Youve got a recommendation likethat, because you went to you know you. You saw out the advice, an independencestore or you saw it on social media. That's why there's such an importance,part of the fabric of our literary community hundred percent yeah and theI am mazing that about being on Tor, because I had like a handful of hookstores. They knew what I liked and when I would come in every year they wouldsay. Ah We know what we know. We know your husband likes thrillers, Here's athriller. He probably hadn't read. You know, we know what you like. Weknow you like some historic fiction. We know you like m women's fiction and Um.You know the books are not necessarily on the best cillarlist but they'regreat books and when a bookseller basically makes you buy a book saysactually what I've had happened more than once. I know about you, ladiesI've had them Sayt you just take this book. I can't I you have to read it. I mean when I read Um Um major pedagrew. Did you all readthat book? A bookseller put that in my hands andsaid I can't charge you for this book because you're going to love it so muchyou're going to recommend it. Well, you know the comment that Um stayed with me that Jasmin made, butshe was talking about how she wanted. It was podartical y. u you mentionedChristi About How she wanted people not just to know about the hardships but thevery day, joy that they have, and I thought that was really a beautifulinsight, yeah she's Um. I love how she balances Um the lightand the serious in a way that Um that lets you learn and grow withouteven realizing that you're doing. If that makes sense- and she was just likethat in our chat tonight too, especially now I mean these are hardtimes. They're gochristy was outraged. She's, like I'm leaning, N. She went toget more wine she's aving hard tipe. It draudio, Ithink, in her visual ell pushhe's in a cabin with a bunch of little boys, so they may have abducted her tighter andput put her up in a CL tighter, an e in a closet ar hdae. She shows for amoment there. She is no, I just I sa. I don't have Wifeihere and I'm like using my friend's hot spot, and I was waiting all night forthis to happen. So fet pretty lucky that I made it to seven. Fifty sin wethought. Maybe the boys had tied you up and put you in a closet. Well,therethere are nine nine little kids Herisda. That was highly possible a you spending the nightth yeah yeah we're GOIN S M yeah, so thereare actually like three different houses, so Um, it's KINDOF, fun, 'causeeverybody like to be together about like have their own space yeah, how funM No! But I was just going to say Christian. How are you feeling aboutnext week, Um happy that the book is going to be outthere yeah? I I um, I feel good about this one. I I feel I feel good Gigo,you suse feel very brown. You think you so much for San t at thank you M, andyou know it's those it's those prereleased jitters that you know we, Ithink we all have Yo, don't know how it's going to do, how it's going to bereceived, but Um, I'm just glad T's, I'm glad the date isfinally almost here. So thank you. I think we're owing out from the roottopsand well, and I appreciate that so much you, the the four of you, includingPati, have just been the Um the kindest sisters from another mister I could askhi, for this has been wonderful and I've. Ijust appreciate your friendship and support all of you. Well, we love youand we're really proud of you and we cannotit's going to be awesome. Youthat note ceers good night, I nown has happybirts day birthday. I have showot Wherewe, I'm going to Shor you allwhere we are d. like my Birtha, you there's my husband. Look at that II.Lookit's really prob on wel enjoy your arti glass of Liv, I'm going to an. Iand either bi. I thank O heonhers Itoniineyou've, been listening to thefriends and diction pondcast, be sure to subscribe to the friends and fictionpodcast wherever you listem and if you're enjoying it t, leave a review.You can find the friends and fiction authors, ant, www, don friends andsiction do come as well as on the facebook roup page friends. andfictioncome back soon. Okay, there are still lots of books. Writing Tips, interviews,publishing, EWS and bookstores to chat about goodbye.

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