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Friends and Fiction with Kathy Reichs

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#1 New York Times bestselling author Katjy Reichs joins the Friends & Fiction authors to discuss A Conspiracy of Bones, the nineteenth entry in her Temperance Brennan series, as well as her work as a producer of the hit Fox TV series, Bones, which is based on her work and her novels. https://kathyreichs.com

Welcome to friends and fiction. Fivebest selling authors, Endless Stories, Friends and Fiction is a podcast withfive bestselling novelist whose common love of reading, writing an independentbookstores found them together with jets, author interviews and fascinatinginsider talk about publishing and writing. Thes friends discuss the booksthey've written, the books they're reading now and the art of storytelling.If you love books and you're curious about the writing world, you're in theright place. Bestselling novelist Mary Kay Andrews, Christine Harmel, ChristieWoodson, Harvey Patty Callahan, Henry and Mary Alice Munro are five longtimefriends with more than 80 published books. To their credit at the Start of the Pandemic, they gottogether for a virtual happy hour to talk about their books, their favoritebookstores writing, reading and publishing in this new, unchartedterritory. They're still talking, and they've added fascinating discussionswith other bestselling novelists, so join them live on their friends andfiction Facebook Group page every Wednesday at 7 p.m. Eastern, or listenand view later at your leisure. Alison, your friends and I'm Mary AlexGrow and my latest novel is on Ocean Boulevard. I'm Mary Kay Andrews and my latestnovelist last summer. I'm Christine Harmel and my latest novel is the bookof last names. I'm Christi Woodson Harvey and my latest book is Feels LikeFalling and I'm Paddy Callaghan, Henry and my latest is becoming Mrs Lewis.And sometimes we forget how to go in alphabetical order. Think hardest partlike that. And now just not a thing, my friends is friends and fiction forTonight. We are so thrilled to be diving into our fall season with theperfect author toe have you cuddling up under a company throw and turning pagesto the wee hours of the morning. We have with us, the queen of forensicmysteries, Kathy Rights. And it's really hard to write an intro for thiswoman because her accomplishments are mind boggling. You have to go to herwebsite to read the entire impressive list, but tonight I'll give you just abrief glimpse on the amazing Dr Rights. We all know Kathy Rights as the authorof the uber successful Bone Siri's with Temperance Brennan, also the verypopular bone TV Siri's with an astounding 246 episodes over 12 seasons.I mean, think about that I know. I see it all the time. There are 26 books inthe Siri's and Number 27. The bone code will be out in March 2021. Kathy hasalso co authored three young adults Siri's called Virals, with her sonBrendan Raikes. Now Dr Reichs received her bachelor's degree in anthropologyfrom American University and her master's and PhD in physicalanthropology from Northwestern University. She is one of only 100forensic anthropologist ever certified by the American Board of ForensicAnthropology. And that's saying, Ah, lot And her experiences are impressive.To name a few doctor writes, traveled to Rwanda to testify at the U. N.Tribunal on genocide, and this is very emotional. She assisted in recovery ofremains at the World Trade Center following the 9 11 terrorist attacks.Kathy brings all this extensive knowledge to her fiction. And is it anywonder why her books are instant best...

...sellers worldwide? So welcome, Kathy,Right? E o s so glad you're here. Thank you. I'm glad to be here. Thank you.Well, we get to begin asking you all our questions, and then we'll pullquestions from the audience. But first Park Road books. As you all know, weare passionate supporters of independent booksellers. Tonight, ourguest, Kathy, shows her favorite bookstore Park Road Books in Charlotte,North Carolina. And tonight they're offering a 10% discount on Kathy Reichs.Ah, conspiracy of bones as well as the titles of our new fictions. And alsoselect paperbacks as well as well, check out the website. The link to thebookstore is posted on the friends and Fiction page. All right, Cappy. Ah,Conspiracy of bones. Get ready. Here comes the first question. Ah,Conspiracy of Bones came out in March, and so, like the rest of us, your booktour was canceled and that coronavirus kind of took us all for a ride. And aswe've often talked about on this show, that's how the spark for friendsaddiction actually began. We came together on locked during lock down andstarted this show. Now summer's coming to an end, or it's actually over, andwe're sort of moving into the new normal. And the question I have for youand for everybody is is there something that you discovered or learned duringthe stay at home time that you might not have otherwise learned or somethingthat you value that you choose to keep with you. Yeah, Anything. Gosh, I wasquarantined in at my beach house with two of my daughters and four of mygrandkids. Yeah, for about four months. Um, and I think that one of the thingsI learned is how thio do hair how to do a little kids e wasn't so good becauseit had been a few years since I've done my own culture, but yeah, I guess thatwas re sharpened, that skill making peanut butter sandwiches. You know, allof those that I hadn't done, But how wonderful. You've got to spend thosefour months with your grandchildren. Your laughter. Yeah, Unfortunately,it's a pretty It was pretty big house. Um, I subsequently sold that house andmoved out, but way were able to spread. So that helped a lot. And there was thebeach of the pool in that. So Well, I just have to point out thereduring that four months where a few blocks apart and I was up in NorthCarolina, we never saw each other that that once that once all right, I'd liketo ask that same question. Kristen, how about you do anything that you'velearned or discovered that you'd like to keep? Uh, yeah. Question Mary. Alice,Um, I was thinking about it. Is Kathy was talking? I think one thing I'velearned is you know, we all know that that if life gives you lemons makelemonade saying right. But I feel like one lesson I've learned bring thiswhole thing is that sometimes life gives you both the lemons and the sugar.You need to make the lemonade. And I feel like, you know, and I feel likethis is sort of a perfect example of that. I mean, it felt like the worldwas ending in March, and then this whole thing started. I just You guysbeen my sugar s? Oh, you know, I think I think there's always sweet with thishour in life, and you just have to remember to look for it. Oh, that'ssweet. Literally. That was a how much Mary Kay. Well, you know, I am a Derrybeginning when we thought Oh, you know,...

...we'll have no food in the stores. Etinkered with bread baking. And after a few efforts, I actually produced apretty respectable loaf of sourdough and you could actually see, you know,kind of my process on on my instagram page. I did little videos of it, andthen I made actually some really decent made from scratch hamburger buns andthe other that, you know, one of the other things I found was about 15 extrapounds from all the all the importance I was eating like it was my job. Andthe other one was, um, I learned that if I sat down and wrote every day withno excuses, there were no excuses. I had to write every day for basicallysix months in a row that I could produce a book and turn it in twomonths ahead of deadline. And that's something I've never done in my 30 yearcareer. So that's really that. And I'll leave that open because I suspect otherpeople are gonna talk about that Christie or Patty who wants to go first?Go ahead, darling. I mean, I learned that if I am out on aFriday night and Mary Kay Andrews texts me and says you're writing at seven, donot send me any excuses, then you know I dio, which is true, but really, justbeing home has been kind of amazing. I mean, I know we all travel so much, andI was obviously so panicked about not going on a book tour. But e think I'llalways why? No, I'll always remember this summer, but there was just suchsimplicity to it. I mean, we spent, you know every night, like fishing on thedock with little boys, and it's just been it's just there's been somethingkind of special about it, even though it's been crazy. But just to have, youknow, be with will and get through with his friends. And I was laughing. I hada girls weekend last weekend and the girls pulled out and it was like theminute they pulled out the drive, like all these little boys came running inand they were like, We're getting on the boat, we need sandwiches and I'mlike, Yep, that that's me sandwiches like it's just it's funny. It was like,just just simplicity, that I really, really have loved. You should havecalled Cathy E. Got lemonade. A nice image. Who knew? Yeah, that's a niceimage sitting on the dog kids. Okay, Patty E. Oh, there's so many thingsthat I feel like, um, we're silver linings. And it's hard to talk aboutthem because we also talk about how so many hard things were happening at thesame time. And so, with all the hard things happening, it's easy to forgetsome of the beautiful things that were happening and like Christie, becauseshe stole my answer because she does that sometimes way share annoying. Um,but one of the things that you asked what will keep and I really want tokeep the slower pace, not the not being so hectic and spinning and 100 miles anhour, maybe just 90 miles an hour. But I think I think all of us would agreethat maybe we were doing a tiny bit too much, and we realized that the work isthe most important. I mean, along with our families. But, um, we we've got somuch more work done because we settled in and I don't wanna lose that. I wannakeep on that kind of ties in with all all the sprints in the morning that hasbeen the taskmaster, for those were all...

...really great answers. And I hopeeveryone out there is thinking about what you discover we want to keep to.All right. I guess it's time for the program where we get to say, Cathy,will you tell us about a conspiracy of Bones? You want to hear about your book?Oh, gosh. Um, in Hollywood, we talk about theelevator pitch where you summarized in five bullet points. So I guess it wouldbe a brain lesion. A faceless course, A conspiracy theorist. Um oh, I'm runningout of points exploitation of the vulnerable mm, exile, exile. That wouldbe another one. But those are the teachers of the book. Temping is exiledfrom the medical examiner office. She's dealing with some health issues. She'shaving to work on identifying this faceless corpse outside. Relying on herown resource is, and so the book has a little bit different tenor than most ofthe book. When and she had Well, I'll ask you the question, but one of thethings I love about it was so personal, and so I'll ask you that going intothat question, it z a great book. Frankly, I just It's one of my veryfavorite, it really is. I think he really out did yourself on this one. Itwaas very powerful. Anyway, so let me ask my question. Are you done talkingabout the description? I don't want to rush you e don't know how much we'resupposed to ram along, but as long as you like Oh, well, you know, you canask me questions about what I just said. I mean, she's working while she, uh, welearned and in the bone collection, the bone collection that her boss for yearsand years and years Tim Larrabee was murdered. So there's a new medicalexaminer in Charlotte. There's a new boss in town, and Tempe and this womanhave history, and this woman has sworn that she will never, ever work in theEMI office again. So that's really hard for our Gail and also the fact that sheis recovering from an unknown Unruh pictured a cerebral aneurysm, and she'shad some lingering of fax and she can't completely. For the first time in herlife, she can't completely rely on her own perceptions. What Israel and whatis not really for her on a personal level and That's also the broader themeof the book, What is real and what is not really because we are. I don't knowif anyone turned on their TVs last night, but we're constantly inundatedwith a false information with disinformation and this information.And how does the average anybody can get on the Internet? Anyone can get onthe airways. Anyone can put out a blogged and say whatever they want tosay. So how does the average person soared through all that and figure outwhat is fake news? You know what, Israel and what is not really so that'sthe broader theme of the book on. That's one of the reasons, right? Ireally I think I love this book. There's so much in it. It's just sorich and, ah, lot of the issues, really as a female reader, too, because yourbooks appealed to male and female. But as a female reader, I am just youreally hit this woman with a lot of really personal issues. There's theunfolding of the crime, but you just described. But also for me, it was herpersonal struggles, that really of temperance that really struck home likeyou said she was forced to really reassess her career. Take a hard lookat her health, and I think the biggest thing that was my dog shaking the O. E.Was that an earthquake. It's only my dog. But she also would, I thought wasso brilliant was she had to question her judgment because her aneurysm and Ithought, And then while like you said, she's fighting with this boss she has.She's dealing with her bow, which we...

...all love Ryan. But the whole thing feltreally personal. Then a t end of the book. You have the section from theforensic files of Kathy Rights, and it's there that you revealed that youhad had an aneurysm and I was stunned. I mean, I was absolutely blown away,And the question that came to mind was the You know how much of TemperanceBrennan is your fictional alter ego on? I know she's not you, I know you andit's not your personal life history. And by the way, everyone out thereKathy has one of the most wonderful families. Really very well. She justtestified that she was in a house for four months with your grandchildren.It's a very beautiful and close family, but I'm curious. What are the parallelsbetween the forensic anthropologist, Tempe Brennan and you? And what is thedifference? And what what kind of courage and inspiration was it? Youbrought out the aneurysm for Tempe because I thought it was a stroke ofbrilliance, no pun intended. E only lost track of the question. I don'tknow. Normally a between you are. Certainly there are, and it's more.It's a complicated question because we have the two temples. There's bookTempe and there's TV Tempe and there. Did you know? But the book Tempe that Icreated I did based her professionally on myself. Obviously she She's aforensic anthropologist. She works a crime scene. She works in medical legallabs. She commutes between North Carolina and Quebec. I remember whenthe first book came out, a reviewer saying This is so unrealistic. Nobodycould Hey, buddy, you know it's what Ideo That's what I had heard you. But Iwanted her also to be approachable. I wanted her not to be perfect eso Icouldn't based her on myself if I was gonna I gave her some flaws. I gave her.Yeah, I never go into any detail, but I glued to in her past. She had acolorful period with alcohol, so she's a non drinker now. Eso those airstrictly Tempe. Her relationship with Andrew Ryan, which is Rocky, Um, on andoff. You know, that's strictly Tempe. I am told. My friends tell me that weshare the same rather sarcastic sense of humor that when she says something,they could just hear me saying the same kind of on your inspiration for givingher. I mean, I thought it was pretty courageous to give her the aneurysm.But is that because you understood it? Oh, you wanted to complicate thecharacter even more. Yeah, well, I wanted her to be dealing with somethingparticularly difficult in this, which it wasn't. It was really kind of a walkin the park. Frankly, um, they discovered it serendipitously, lookingfor something completely. Uh, yes. And they said, No, you don't have thatsomething else. But by the way, there's this little bubble off one of yourcerebral vessels. But we tracked it for many years, and it never change that.Go in every year and have ah M R E. I guess it was. And then finally, oneyear, he said. You know what changed a little bit. Let's just go and block itoff. So they snake something up through. I think they didn't like your ephemeralartery and go all the way up into your brain. And they put some little oilsand they just block it off, eh? So it was not a big deal, but gave herlingering after effects that you did. Yeah, yeah, because I really wanted herto be. She's in a pretty bad place in this book. She's dealing with a lot ofdifferent. I didn't know her own judgment. Like, am I imagining this? Isthis me or is this really well, Yeah,...

...exactly. And for her that that'ssomething right now for her. Yeah, all right. Christie eso as Mary Alice hasalready mentioned a little bit about you gifted your readers with the fromthe Forensic files of Dr Kathy Rights Section at the end of the book, and itreads like a writing tip on how you construct your novels. Can you tell usa little bit more about your research process for a conspiracy events. Oh, myreason. It always begins with something I'm trying to look two years down theroad. Does it takes you a year to write a book, A year in production. So what'sgonna be on people's minds? Not the aneurysm again, no pun intended. Butwhat people's minds and two years down the road? And it was this whole thingabout fake news, alternative, fax How do we so I wanted to I wanted to workthat in. I wanted these thes wacka doo, uh, conspiracy theorists that air onthe on the air and on the Internet. I wanted to use that as the theme. I do alot of research before I start writing. I choose a particular kind of sciencethat I'm gonna use to drive the story. Andi, I use a different forensicscience in each in each book. So I researched that, for example, um,creating FINA tip pick. You can now use DNA to predict, um, hair color, eyecolor and skin color and rod, ancestral background, that kind of thing. Well,that's interesting. Why don't we? Why don't we use that? So I'll researchthat. But then there comes a point where I start writing and then it Z Iwrite in a linear way. I start with Chapter one, Chapter two, Chapter three.My daughter, Kerry, who was mentioned earlier. I think if she's in a goodmood, she writes the love scene, and if she's in a bad mood, writes the deathscene, you know I can't do that. That's just wrong. So I do write in a verylinear fashion, but its's circular. It's feedback. So as I'm writing, um,if I just stumble on something and you know I'll be researching forensicgenealogy, but I stumble on something else, I think, Oh, that's great. I'mgonna use that and graded. And then, of course, you have to go back and makechanges earlier in the book did that answer so yeah, yeah, absolutely. And Iresearch every single little thing. If I've got her turning left off of MainStreet on the third Avenue in Cincinnati, you know, I'll make sure Ilook it up and make sure you could do that, and it's not a one way street oryou know or whatever, that's fascinating. I mean, it isn't everchanging field, and that must make it really exciting. There's alwayssomething new happening and another step being taken. So right. I'm alwayslooking for those little either at a professional meeting, going to apresentation, a scientific presentation or in our journals looking for thosearticles that little articles that are a year ahead of what people are goingto be aware of, Where some new group using now to determine how longsomeone's been dead or, you know, I don't think that's good stuff. Lets youknow e advantage of actually doing the work yourself. You know that your yes,and I have the advantage that I work. Well, I'm pretty much eased out of itbecause it just it was too much. I was doing an adult book, a young adult book,and ah, screenplay every year. So something that s so what I let go wascase work. But I still have all my colleagues. I could still phone them upor go to the lab and walk down the hall and ask them about, you know,mitochondrial DNA and cat hair or whatever it is I want to know. That's abig wow. My e No. You have a question?...

Yeah, happy you mentioned. Carry yourdaughter. And I actually first met you years ago through Carrie. Um, and Iremember being really struck at the time by the closeness, the closeness ofyour family. Um so, of course Mary Alice mentioned earlier that you'vewritten a young adult syriza your son Rand then and I've known carry U S. Ofor all of you out there who don't know carry rights. Um, she's a writer, too,in her 2012 novel. What you wish for is one of my favorites, and it's one Ithink this group would really enjoy. I think it's right up the friends andfunctionality, So check that one out. Kathy Kerry is also one of thestrongest, most inspiring women I know. I just think so highly of her. So inany case, they both carved out their own corners of the writing world, andthey've completely succeeded on their own. But I know they've worked onprojects with you, too. Can you talk a little bit about what it's like to havethem following in your footsteps? A little bit of writers and also whatit's been like to work with them as colleagues because I know you'vecollaborated with both of them. Yeah, and they're both very strongpersonalities. They're both attorneys. So when you're working carrying, Iwrote screenplays together really well for four episodes of Bones together,and Brendan and I wrote six young adults the viral Siri's. So we had away of doing it, divvying it up, and then we would have more. So with thebooks, we would have our editorial meetings and discuss our creativedifferences. E his work. He would edit my work, and then we go in my office,closed and discuss our differences. But way managed to somehow take off themother sun hat or the mother daughter hat and just put on the co author hat.And I think I respected. They're better at certain kinds of writing certainaspect of writing than I am, and I'm better at some aspects than than theyare Brendan, his crackerjack, it plotting. He's just really good atplotting. And, yeah, so we just played off each other's strengths. That's notto say we didn't didn't have disagreements, and then we did it myway. A like a mother e have I have all the book covers in my office inCharlotte, framed and lined up on a high shelf kind of circling my office.And Brennan would say, Well, why should we do with your What do you What makesyou think you know more about writing the night? And I would just point tothe 19 way whatever way E could see you do that, too. Yeah, Capital. I think itis so fascinating that you write with your kids. And so it's obvious that youthey've watched you right? You've been still this in their lives, reallycurious. And it's a question we try to ask every guest, but tell me about yourfamily growing up the values around, reading and writing with the family whogrew up in. Is it different than how you raised your kids with reading andwriting? And how would you? How would you compare them? E. I remember a bigemphasis on reading. Growing up my mother was a big reader. She led Therewas these this club National Club, I guess, called great books. Yeah, Iremember that She led discussions on radio primarily but occasionally on TVas well. So she was a big reader, and she always encouraged us to read. Sothat was always an important important part of growing up. I don't remembermuch emphasis on writing. E didn't have much interest in, you know, I kept adiary when I was 14. You know, everybody does that. And, uh, Thio God,no one ever finds it later. But but but...

...but But I really avoided literatureclasses in university. I didn't want any part of that. I took the obligatory.We had to take a two course sequence, so I did introduction to poetry andintroduction to fiction. And then I just wanted to be over in the sciencelabs. I just wanted to be taking zoology and physiology. And, you know,all the ology is over there. So I really have no training in writing anddidn't have much interest in creative writing for the Yeah, other than myresume. E and I was free to do whatever I wanted to do, and I just thought itwas for some reason all of a sudden I decided it would be fun to writefiction. You know, I was a nurse before I started writing fiction. And so incollege and graduate school. They were all the Allah. Jeez, and name is you. Iwas at avid reader, but I never once thought about writing a book. Yeah,until I did. So that's why I'm always curious about the background and thevalues around reading and writing, because I feel like I have this theoryunproven theory that the more family supported reading and writing or evenjust reading and literature in the family. It kind of bubbles up later onlike, Yeah, you can't be a writer. You're not a reader. I know you can try.Just e. All right. Okay. Kathy, you've touchedon this a little bit. And you discussed how in this book you started at a time whenthe national there was a national atmosphere of suspicious and doubt. Uh,and, you know, fake news and alternative fax. And so it wasinteresting for me as a former journalist, it was a painful reminderto me of how important um, independent journalism is in a time like this.Could you discuss what it was there? Like one tipping point? One thing thatmade you understand you needed to talk about that in conspiracy of bones ethink it was just one Alex Jones. Is that his name? Alex? Yeah, Yeah,exposed many. And, you know, you said yourself, How could anyone listen tothis? And I believe this stuff. And I started researching conspiracy theoriesand just some of the wildest things air out there. How can anyone and peoplebelieve it? You know, Marilyn Monroe is living with Elvis in Timbuktu orwhatever. You know, How can people believe? And there then there are wholechat rooms where they talk about how it's true. So it was just accumulatedto the fact of all of that going on out there and then a dark place. I'm sorry.Did you feel is, though you were in a dark place when you went down thatrabbit hole of all these conspiracy theorists? Good question. Well, I didgo down. You know, I did go down into the dark web. I did download the Torbrowser and I did go around them. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty, pretty grimstuff down there, both vision and and just verbally as well. And to thinkthat there people that believe that stuff, it's just it's just beyond me. It became timely. Yes, it's quitetimely. Yes, so on. That's I think, the point that the book is It's not justright wing wack jobs. It's people in authority were putting putting thisstuff out. Well, I think it's time to talk about the bookstore on the weakway. Get the highlight of every weekend Independent bookstore in this week, andhe chose her favorite Park Road Books...

...in Charlotte, North Carolina. Thisstore has been independently independently owned and operating since1977 and Park Road has been a cornerstone of Charlotte's localcommunity for 43 years. They are the Onley full service independentbookstore in Charlotte, and they pride themselves on finding the right bookfor the right person, and you can see that you can contact them. There's thelink, and it's also on our Facebook page. Hello, Park Road books. I thinkyou know a lot of us. Most of us have all come to do events in Charlotte withyou and Parker Books is offering 10% off Kathy writes books or the latestreleases of all of ours, as well as from Select Flavor Bats through October2nd. So go to the link or call the store at 7045259239 And that number isgoing to be on our Facebook page. So everybody, the pandemic does continue.And all of us really want to support our local independent bookstores. Andthe link to park rulebooks is on friends and Fiction page, so please useit. Just make a click and buy a conspiracy of bones. Okay, so the fiveof us have had a chance to ask captain questions. Now it's your turn. So we'regonna choose to questions from our website. And Christie, how about thefirst one? Yeah. Um, Connie Clarkston dorks wants to know how true is the TVshow Bones to your books? How true was it to the books? Um, itwas really What we did, is they? They optioned the character, the TemperanceBrennan character. So that was the core concept. And then if you've watched theshow, it's quite different in many ways. From the books. Temporary is younger.Um, she's taller. She Emily Deschanel did a fantastic job with this character,Um, instead, in Washington, D. C. Where is my books are set primarily in NorthCarolina, the Carolinas and Montreal in Quebec. Although she does travel around,there's one book in Guatemala. There's one in Israel. She does get around esoso there are definite differences also on TV, and he works at a full time.It's called the Jeffersonian. Um, right up until we had to put the logos on thelab coats and on the truck were not able to get permission. The Sony people,we're not saying no, you can't call the Smithsonian. But they were not sayingyes. The lawyers so called it the Jeffersonian s. Oh, that's differentfrom Tempe. In the books, in the books, she does what I do. She moves betweenthese two jurisdictions. Uh, let's see. So what other differences are there?She works on the TV show. She works with an FBI agent, Seeley Booth.Whereas that character is, uh, books Andrew Ryan, who is a provincial policeofficer, um, from Quebec. So the core idea of being a forensic anthropologistand working with unidentifiable human remains, whether they're burned ormutilated or mummified or decomposing or dismembered, or just skeletal ongetting an identification and figuring out cause and manner of death, thatcore idea of solving the crime is the same in both the books and on the TVseries. Amazing. Thank you. And Christian, how about you? Can you pullone up? Yeah, we have another great one. Um from Pamela Merson. Who says Didparents become the woman you expected when you conceived her? Yeah, I think a Zay said I didn't wantperfect. I wanted her to have flaws. I wanted her to be approachable, but Iwanted her to be smart and I wanted her...

...to be compassionate about her work. Esoyou know, I don't really I don't really buy into that. I was that the charactertook off on their own Here the author, you have a keyboard, you have a deletekey. So I think she's evolved. She has evolved. She has changed over time bothin the TV series and in the book. She has changed over time and I think in agood way and in a way that I wrote and I planned. So not I didn't planeverything from the beginning through the 20th book, but I mean everything.It in the book, I wrote it so Yeah, but she does what we owe those grandkids.And your Castillo are you? Oh, my gosh, The oh, well, now we got to bring upsome questions from the audience. Let's see who comes A. They are a big fan here, longtimeleader for some caller. A couple of questions for you. And first and mostimportantly, I would like to know what important writing skills that you havelearned from your talented and successful daughter. And you'rebrilliant. Thank them you cut out a little bit. What? Writing skills that Ilearned from my daughter. Oh, gosh, I think about how close the office doorwhen you're really under deadline and just, uh, put someone Carrie and I as Ias I mentioned you earlier, carry, I don't know if you heard that we havevery different approaches. He I'm much more linear and rigid on how I write,whereas you tend to follow your moods. So I guess I've learned a little bit ofdoing that, although it's still wrong. It's not the way that I have because,you know, there's been a lot of changes from when you wrote your first book,Thio, Now with your 19th, and I'm curious how have you approached writingdifferently? And how do you approach your characters and just theadministrative side of writing from your first year 19th novel? And how didwriting for television change and impact the way that you write fornovels? Now, that's great of questions. Um, well, but I wrote the first novel Ihad. I had no expectations and no limitations because I had no publisher.So I just wrote it, hoping that I'd be able to sell it so and I had notraining. I didn't have a clue what I was doing when I finished the firstbook, which took me two years because I was teaching full time and I had thesethese these ready kids around. I didn't want to do so. Kerry had a friend whohad a friend who worked for some publishing house, So she said, Well,why don't we write a cover letter and mail it to this? So I said, Well, youknow, find out what publishing house and what they do. And it turned outMary Sue Grucci was a junior editor, a scrivener. So I thought, Oh, yeah,that's a pretty good house. So we just composed the cover letter and mailed itoff, which is not yeah, not the way it published. And, of course, Mary Sue ison the other end of this, having been told that her friends, friends, friends,mother's first novelist coming her well, well, very later told me that she tooktwo or three chapters. She lived in Brooklyn, I think took two or threechapters home with her thinking, already composing her reject letter,I'm sure got in her car, went back into Manhattan, got the rest of the book,took it home and read it and handed it on up the line. And I think I had anoffer within two or three weeks. It was very fast. A. That is not the way to goabout, um, getting published. So that's...

...just a good indication of how naive Iwas and how I didn't have a clue what it was I was doing on the book. 19books, 20 books. I just got my editorial letter back on number 20. I'mvery minor suggestions, um, 20 books down the road. I know how the industryworks and I know a little bit more about it, and I go about it in a littlemore well informed manner. I think you still have the same Saturday. I do not.I had, but I've had great longevity. My first editor was with me for sevenyears, and then she retired on. My next editor was with me for another. I'veonly had three editors, so I've been and it's it's because they retired.They left me. You're them? Yeah. I just have to tell everybody those adorableChildren that we just who just skirted off. I don't know where they went.Declan and Hazel tell us a little bit about Declan and Hazel. I know Declan'sthe turtle boy we called him. He might be growing out of that carry, but he'sbeen to every turtle nest. When you guys were on the island. That there?Yeah, I keep waiting to get a really threatening phone call or a letter fromthe turtle people, because the pool I'm in my I'm in a brand new house. I'veonly been in it for two weeks now, I guess, and I can't turn the pool lightsoff, so I know. I know. I'm going to get the letter from the turtle Ladiesbecause we only have one nest left, so and it's not in front of your house, Sothat's mhm. You're in the clear this year, but you better learn how to turnthose lights off year. Yeah, they're gonna bomb my house, I'm sure. A nicehouse. Where's Carrie? Is she still here? I'm still here. OK, I got thescript in front of me and I can't see you, Um, tell a little bit about your brother.He has a book coming out to. He has a spirals this as a new book out, right?He's got a book. I think it's dropped yesterday or today. Uh, and he'sunfortunately, he wanted to join us Thio flight to Utah to meet up with hiswriting partner as we speak. But he has done really interesting work in kind ofthe young adult middle grade dystopian fiction corner I. It's not the currentone, but looking for friends level. But, um Brendan, this with me here's thisbook. E can't speak for the content of it as well as he can, so I won't eventry. But he is definitely producing. We try to write for across all the agelevels from adult to the very earliest readers in our family. So we don'tleave any any reader unturned on what I just wanted to point out before we moveon. But it's so important. I think, that it's really interesting that youand your brother Brendan refers lawyers like your dad on. Then you bothswitched over to be writers like your mom. So you kind of covered bothterritories for your parents. You know what it is, what it is. You know, I'mworried I become a lawyer. Yeah, my other sister is the most functionalmember of society because she's a nurse like that. It used to be oh, functionalfunctional members, as we, the six of us is. Writers were not under thefunctional category. E O books would be so boring. E o. Various written fournovels and they're wonderful. And Kerry, we're waiting for your next one. I'mcurrently writing the Coben novel to come. So look forward. Thio talk. Ihave a lot to share with you. That's...

...what I'm writing about you. So youreally have to have a glass of wine. Talk about that on Speaking of writingbefore we keep going This is the moment we love is when we ask our guest author,can you share with us a writing chip and we just Let's get thio Yeah, e forthe price of one dio right with your kids, right? E o remember, she'll putthe peer pressure on them. So e one of the things I'm often asked about is, umokay, one of the things that I've heard editors come in on let me put that wayis that when either professors or scientists write fiction, they make thesame mistake over and over and over again. And that is they love theirdiscipline. So they put too much of it in, and they're afraid thio kill theirown preciousness. So I would say a tip If you're going to put Lance or any anycomplicated area of expertise into fiction there, three things you have tokeep in mind. You have to keep it brief. You can't just do these these dumps ofall this information and you keep it entertaining. You can't. A lot of ushave written scientific books textbooks, and you don't have to be entertained.You just have to clear well that doesn't work in fiction. You have tofigure out ways to do it and not just do it a straight narrative. And thenyou have to keep it jargon free as scientists or experts. We rely on allthis specialized terminology because we understand each other. You can't dothat, so you've got to keep those three things in mind and e think their skills.Kerry could comment on the skills that air similar Thio addressing a jury. Youdon't want to dumb it down. As an expert witness, you're presenting acomplicated piece of information. You don't want to dumb it down. You want tokeep it brief, and you want to keep it jargon free and you want to keep theirinterest. So you want to keep it remotely entertaining. Can I ask you aquestion about that? Do you ever like, say something, not realizing that likethe general public doesn't understand what that ISS I think I'm very wary ofthat. But if I do, my lets me know okay? So sometimes even just writing Southernfiction like the editor will be like, I have no idea what that means, and I'mlike, Really e had no idea that you know Onley, Southerner said that orwhatever, that's true. E, you have a chance. But you're gonna surprises, too,and give us a dump to for I'll give you two for I will say that I agree withwhat she said about science. The same applies toe law. I like to write aboutmedical, ethical, legal issues in my books, and I have to dial it back a lot.I would say two things. One thing I learned from my mom and one thing Ilearned from Bones. Um, and that is that just because you're not working ina law firm measuring your life in six minute increments, you have to be verydisciplined about writing because it is your profession, and it's very easywithout discipline to not stay on track. So when I moved to it when I quit mylaw job and moved to Venice Beach, California, to write my first novel asyou dio going it alone and I was very stubborn about a Chinese well, with mymom, I wanted to do this all on my own. But after a couple of weeks, I was justlike this is really hard. I thought I was gonna bring from my head fullyformed, like Minerva from the head of Zeus, and it's not happening. So Iburnt down and I called her and I said, How how many pages do you write a day?And she said, Well, you know, it just...

...depends on what I'm working on if it'sheavy science or if it's dialogue, she said. But, you know, I really considerit. I've completed the day if I've written three pages a day, so I thought,Okay, right. I'm going to write six pages. Everybody e clean it up in one,John, because you know, mothers and daughters, Uh, for one thing, is justhaving your routine and making it, You know, you have to accomplish your workbefore you can get up. And just because you're not working on a short termdeadline, it doesn't change things. Um, and then the other I learned fromwriting for Bones, is that even though we love our words and we love ouranecdotes and our joke on our characters, everything you write reallyneeds to have a reason for existing. That moves the plot forward on when Ifirst wrote. I was like, Oh, no, you know, like, this is funny. People willenjoy this witty dialect back and forth, but it really does Bob you down. And Ithink that I've learned that you dive right into the action. You don't Youdon't need a lot of foreplay leading people into your book with yourcharacters. You just get him right. Engaged with something immediately. Mymom is the best at end of chapter cliffhangers, like he's really, reallygood. And I've learned a lot from that from her. I was writing for the bones.You know, these scenes, the end of the scene would have the cliffhanger. SoI've tried to incorporate, even though I don't write thrillers more of that inmy writing, but really diving right in and keeping the plot always movingforward. Well, I think we're very fortunate. I think everyone out thereis writing very fast, I'm sure. Thank you. We got to tonight. This is a realbonus. All right. I have to keep things moving because look at the time. Hasanyone has a book? Does anyone have a book that they want to tell us about?Mary Kay? You said you have to do it Is the life the incredible life of Eudorahoney set. And, um, I don't I have it, but I don'thave it right here. Um, it's by an English author. Her name is Anne Lions.And it's about, uh, elderly lady living in south east London, and she's readyto call it quits. She's cranky and irritable. And then, um, new neighborsmove in next door, and there's a little girl and things change her perspectiveon life changes. And I really love it. So far, that sounds so good s So I wantto tell you guys about this one, and I know Kathy. Mary Kay Andrews loves ittoo, because she blurbed it. But this is by our friend Mary Beth MayhewWhalen. It is called this secret thing, and I can't. Okay, there we go. On my eThink they just did such a brilliant job on the back? This makes me want toread it. Made me want to read it the minute I saw its secrets and lies.Neighbors and friends, so Oh, no. Like that. You've got a suburban Adam inthat book, too. Yeah, well, we love up Mary Beth Mayhew Whalen. So I'mdelighted. So we're charging into fall with a fabulous roster of guests. Seanque the video. Excuse me? Mhm. We love that. A that really happy. Ilove that your name just opens it with e opens anything with a big boom e tellus about just next week. You're the host. Oh, next week, we're going tohave a fantastic time because we are going to be talking to Lian Dolan ofthe Satellite Sisters, which is that...

...hugely popular website, Facebook Groupand podcast. And her new book is called The Sweeney Sisters, and I am theoldest of three sisters. And so this book hit me the exact right place. LianDolan has pitch perfect humor and spot on sister relationships. And I can'twait to introduce you to her next week, and we will have so many questions forher. And that is what we have going on next week. Um, do we have a graphic forthat? I don't know if we do. If not, it's okay. There it is that it's goingto be a lot of fun. We've all read the book, I think already so Okay, Now Ihave to ask Kathy, were you surprised when Carrie came on? Oh, yes. I waaswhen he was so hoping that the secret wouldn't sneak out. Don't know anythinglike that, they had no idea. And I'm just glad I said nice things about herearlier, you know? Oh, well, thank you. Happy for joining us tonight, Carrie.Thanks for coming in with surprise and of being Declan and Hazel. And that'sour program for tonight. We are really thrilled. I think this was our veryfirst surprise visit episodes. So it was all of us. And again, as theweather chills, I hope y'all cuddle up with something warm and dive into Ah,conspiracy of Bones. You're gonna want some video, cover you up, and you canorder right now from Park Road books for the discount of 10% off. And ifyou're not a member of friends and fiction, we hope you'll join us. Signup for our newsletter. And if you can't make the live show, please join us onour podcast or our website at www dot friends and fiction dot com Andeveryone that's a wrap. Goodnight. You everybody away on e What? That was fun. I e That was agreat surprise. Itwas that was a really fun surprise. I love that. I love that.We're going to be doing that more boiler for everyone who's still on here.You never know who's gonna be hopping on. E loved the Declan and Hazel WorstChrist us, though we didn't know that kids coming s so good. All the pictureshe takes the call, the holiday cards. She has those kids. They're They're sobeautiful. Beautiful. Yeah, well, be too. And speaking of surprises, I hadhad the word ebb tide We're down a tidy and I left the doors to the deck open.And you could see me doing this. Nats were like chewing my Oh, no So badright now They're so bad. I don't ever remember having like there like fliesand gnats. I feel like every time we try to eat outside their like, flieseverywhere and waited a big temperature dropped this morning. And so it's kindof Chris, but literally. I've been outside. I've been holding the bat cave.They're not flies, Sean, There's Yeah. What did you put up? I just got the endof that. M k e Yeah, E. You need to fact check Sean before you put thesebanners off. Although Sean Spanners make the show. I e. O sand gnats, Megsaid. Which is exactly right? That's hilarious. E always cracks me up withkids. Could you imagine writing with...

...your kids? I mean, the whole time shewas talking about that, I'm thinking, What if I was writing a book withMeghan or Thomas or like it's a totally different relationship? Being a momlike I've never the most collaboration I've done with my kids is designing aroom, right? Like, Can you imagine? Is writing a screenplay or a book? No.Well, when Will has always really liked to build stuff. And there are a lot of,like architects and builders and stuff in his family. And so when he waslittle, he was like, Mom, When I grow up, we can have a show together on HDTV, and I'll build the houses and decorate them E. Somebody's alreadydone it so well, E. I mean, it was such a It was such a unique con. Eso wastyped in our in our chat. Kathy and Katie only one of you would come outalive. Oh, she if you think I'm bossy. Oh, Aussie. Well, I'm afraid if Istarted writing I with my with my girls and each one is so different, I wouldhave a completely one would tell me you're an idiot. This is the way it'sgonna be on the other would be Mom, You're so good. Whatever you are. SoI'll let you guess who's e Don't have any problem with that. You know, wetalked about my granddaughter, Molly. His 11 on Griffin's a little bitinterested, but we We have an idea for a book we'd like to write together, butwe all we have is a plot and way Don't even have a plot. We have the the namethe title way have this little tiny shrimp boat that we want to write about.Well, Dorothy, a Ben Frank and her daughter Rose Teddy spaghetti together,right Proportion? Yeah. What about you, Kristen? Are you and Noah gonna What?Right. Noah. Noah is just attempting the art of telling jokes now which hedoesn't really get. So he'll say like Like what? The milk's favorite cup acup. But many, All of it. So it makes no sense, but e walk a walk s e feellike to be a lot of like, What would they be like? Jokes that go nowhere.But they'd all end with WACA. WACA and every other four year old in thecountry would think they were hilarious development stuff. You know, when youryear old laugh is you just put the word art in it. Yeah, a lot in ourcollaboration ship. Me. Oh, maybe you could teach him a knock knock joke.Kristen, we've tried, but everything river act like What's the favorite like?Yeah, Walk. Walk. Yeah, because you won't remember it, But you're totallyright. You That's why you're totally right. That's a good thing you weretalking earlier about, like words that he mixes up. And there were a fewthings that I just did not ever want to tell. Well, because they're so sweet,and yeah, well, now he knows on mom. Brain takes over and you lose it all. Ethink you won't lose any of it. And then yeah. Can I just text yourgrandchildren? I'm just gonna texted to you guys and you could remind me in 20years. Okay. What was that thing that I used to say? Yeah, yeah, I'm going toremember anything. You can visit me in the nursing home and being applesauce.Christmas e remember? And I'll say, Who...

...are you? You know what you'll remember.Wacka, wacka, e. It's funny what you remember it really is. I mean, it's sostrange. E. I love that e we owe every morning. Great show, Mary. Tomorrow islittle Wells birthday. So we owe you've been listening to the friends andfiction podcast. Be sure to subscribe to the friends and fiction podcastwherever you listen. And if you're enjoying it, leave a review. You canfind the friends and fiction authors at www dot friends and fiction dot com. Aswell as on the Facebook group page. Friends and fiction come back soon.Okay? There are still lots of books, writing tips, interviews, publishingviews and bookstores to chat about Goodbye.

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