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Episode 10 · 1 year ago

Friends and Fiction with Sister Hazel's Ken and Drew

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Ken and Drew from Sister Hazel join the Fab Five to celebrate the launch of Kristin Harmel's THE BOOK OF LOST NAMES--and perform ALL FOR YOU live for the Friends & Fiction viewers! https://www.sisterhazel.com

Welcome to friends and fiction. Fivebest selling authors endless stories. Friends and fiction is a podcast with five bestselling novelists whose common love of reading writing in independent bookstores bound them together.With chats, author interviews and fascinating insider talk about publishing and writing, thesefriends discussed the books they've written, the books they're reading now and the artof storytelling. If you love books and you're curious about the writing world,you're in the right place. Best Selling Novelists Mary K Andrews, Christen Harmel, Christie Woodson Harvey, Patty Callahan, Henry and Mary Alice Monroe are fivelongtime friends with more than eighty published books to their credit. At the startof the pandemic, they got together for a virtual happy hour to talk abouttheir books, your favorite book stores, writing, reading and publishing in thisnew, unchartered territory. They're still talking and they've added fascinating discussions with otherbest selling novelists. So joined them live on their friends and fiction facebook grouppage every Wednesday at seven P M Eastern, or listen in view later at yourleisure. Hi everyone and welcome to friends and fiction. Are Weekly facebooklive show featuring author chat in support if independent bookstores. Our Community of readershere on friends and fiction has grown to more than thirteen and a half thousandmembers and we could not be more thrilled to welcome you here tonight. Solet's get started. I'm Christin Harmel and my latest is the book of lostnames, which just came out yesterday. I'm Christy waits in Harvey and mylatest just feels like falling and I just wanted to say huge congratulations Christen.One of my favorite books of the year. If you have not ordered the bookof lost names, you're missing out. Do it right now. Okay,stop, go on. Thank you looking for our book. I'm kindally and Henry and my latest is becoming a Mrs Lewis, and I'm justgoing to say ditto after Kristen and Christie, because this is celebration week for Kristen'snew book and it is a powerful book and we're so excited. I'vebeen mowing realist than go and my recent novel is on Ocean Boulevard and todaywe're celebrating the book of lost names. So exciting. And I'm Mary KayAndrews. My latest book is called Hello Summer, and I just want toecho what what everybody else is that we're so excited for Kristen and the Bookof lost names this week and we can't wait for you to see our excitingguests tonight. Your checks are in the mail. I say I didn't know. They're all going to say that. Thank you. That was so nice. So everyone, welcome to friends and fiction. We're so glad you're here. So tonight, as you might have noticed, is a very special nightfor us. This is the very first time we've had a musical guest,and it just so happens to be Ken Block and Drew Copeland, two ofthe members of my very favorite band for twenty years now, sister Hazel,more than twenty years, my Gosh, who I have loved since the summerof one thousand nine hundred and ninety seven, which was right around the time theyhad their first major hit song, the chart topping all for you,which is basically the anthem of the late s. They quickly followed that upwith singles like happy, change your mind, champagne high and many more, andnow they've switched things up a little and have had, for backtoback billboardtop country album chart entries. They routine me sell out their tours. Theyare followed by an amazing group of fans who called themselves the Hazel nuts.So hello to all the hazel nuts out there tonight. have their own annualcruise called the rock boat, which I have been inebriated on several times.They have their own pediatric cancer charity called lyrics for life, and they continuemaking music that just keeps getting better and better. It is one of thereasons we've been really looking forward to having them on. They ultimately do thesame thing we do. They tell stories that move people, and we areso excited to talk to them tonight about storytelling and song. So please,everyone joined me in welcoming Ken Block and Jukt Copeland from the platinum selling bandsister Hazel, who tears. Thank you for coming. So it's Thomas.I'm going to stop talking in a second and let them talk. But beforewe get rolling everyone, I want to remind you that every week we featuredan independent bookseller and this week we're working with writer's block and Winter Park Florida. You can head over to our friends and fiction facebook group page to finda link to writers block. They are offering ten percent off all our newreleases with the code friends fiction, and that includes autograph copies of the Bookof last names as where as well as Mary Alice's recent rerelease of the BookClub. So, because we love sister Hazel and because we love all ofyou, twenty of you who buy any of our new books now through Saturdayusing that coupon code will win one of sister Hazel's recent EP's earth, wind, fire or water, which together make...

...up elements which we are going tobe talking about shortly. And of course, you can find out more about sisterHazel and order their music and merged at sister hazelcom. So I'm donebattling. Welcome you, guys, and can you tell us to since thiswhole shutdown started, this has been bit surreal for all of us. Adn'tyeah, US, you know, most people in life crave adventure. Hebeing on the road, you know, back and forth, back and forthfor decades. We've always kind of crave consistency, and so this has beenthe first time in our whole career. Yeah, we've kind of been ableto get up at the same time, you know, kind of map outyour days a little bit. So that's it's been really cool, but ofcourse there's so many unknowns and when it's touring, ever going to come back, and so trying to figure out the best way to maximize our time andcreate content, create new songs and keep everybody engage. That's that's our tasksof the day. What's we're going to be talking a little bit about someof the amazing things you guys have been doing during this time. I'm soexcited to dig into that. But you know, when we have guests onour show, we love to ask you questions and each of us likes toask one. So I was hoping tonight maybe Mary cake could lead us off, because she had a great one about songwriting. Okay, you know,I am so not musical, but the thing I always wonder about songs thatreally move me, as yours do, is what comes first, the melodyor the lyric? Are you do you do what we do? You're writingin the car and you're like, Oh my God, that's that's a thing, that's a story, that's a that's a melody, or do you havelyrics and you save them up for when the music, for when the rightmelody comes to you? So I'm always. I've always wondered about that. Isthere a first or does it change from time to time? You knowthat's that's a question that as songwriters we get asked out a lot because peopleare curious that, especially people that haven't, you know, experimented and tried it. But the truth is it comes all different ways. Exactly like whatyou were saying. There can be times when you have a subject matter thatyou want to discuss and so you sit down and start from that. Youhave either something that you want to say or a story that you want totell. You can do it that way. A lot of times in collaboration,depending on who you're writing with it, there could be a chord change thatsomebody comes in with and then you start from there. So it takesa lot of different forms. I think a lot of times, when wewere write on our own, we're normally inspired by something, trigger something andand that starts the process. When you're writing alone, and and I knowI can't speak for you because I've ever written with you when we're writing alone, but for me it'll what you said about being in a car. Thathappens to me a lot. I'll be driving down the road and I'll comeup with a melody idea and I'll think what, where do I know thatfrom? And if I realize it's not a song I know, then Igo home and I try to write it. And sometimes those songs come really fast. Like, I think there was a song that I wrote called StrangeCup of tea and I was actually driving around on the campus of the Universityof Florida and then the whole yeah, Goo gators now and the the wholechorus came to me just drive. I was at a stop sign almost andI almost sang the entire course. And so when I got home, Wow, I grabbed my guitar and started writing it and with it. Honestly,within thirty forty five minutes I had written probably ninety five percent of the song. So they all come in different ways. I know, I know the champagehad high was one that was well, different type of maybe think of.That was what I thought of when you were saying that is on thatsame record. I was out driving stuff to the dump out toward newberry andand on the way home I saw a crooked chimney standing in the middle ofa field and I thought that's a great line cricket chimney staying in the field, which became the first line of this song. Just remember and as Iwas looking at it I thought, wow, there was a whole house around thereand a whole family that had a life in there where they had kids, and that kid or not a walk and that you know what I mean. And then it had been forgotten, and so the whole story kind ofpopped in my head on the way home from the dump, but seeing thatchimney in the middle of a field. But the truth is that that wasalways just a chimney there. There was never a really a house. It'sjust a Jimmy mind of styrofirm chimney. I love it. Oh my God, there's are both such great songs. How cool to hear the story behindthem. Mary Alice, did you the question for Kenning Jo? I do. First of all, I love elements,...

...your new album. Thanks. Iown it. I was listening to it all day. I'm just reallylove it and it's a pretty impressive collection of songs. I was really impressedalso that you're you producing under the independent label croaking poets, which I thinkis a really cool name and needs to my question. Okay, in twothousand and sixteen when John Bob Dylan won the Nobel Prize in literature. Doyou remember that huge debate that was inspired by that? Is is learning ourlyrics poetry. So I figure you, with your name, croaken poets,you have to have an opinion on whether lyrics are indeed poetry or do theyshare elements of poetry? Well, they share elements of poetry. In myopinion. I think that I don't I am not as as well versed inthe tip of poetry to be able to say that that's all it is.But there are certainly elements of it. But it's a poetry that has tofit into a meter, it has to fit into a puzzle that we're tryingto build with all these different elements now put and intended. Generally speaking,songs are literary. Now, not all songs are literary. I mean Iwould say even between us there's some that are just they're just fun songs orjust things, but there are some fit are bits of their stories there,there their whole pieces. But yeah, you know, that was an interestingthing when when that question came up. I believe it is literary, butwhat I do, compared to what you guys do. It's a different art. This is I'll say on elements. Jet Are, our Bass player,challenged us to write a complete one minute song and I thought, can Iwrite a complete idea in one minute? So I kind of did it,because I want you to write one for each record or anybody, and thenwe're going to make them connect so that by the last one it becomes onepiece. Now really just a let's get unstuck do something a little bit differently. But it's not easy to get a whole idea in one thing. It'sstill left open ended enough where can get picked up and then the same thingand then the same thing. So with songs we have a certain amount oftime, certain amount that we got to get rid of superfluous stuff. Ican't believe you could do anything in a short period. I know it's thatis not my forte ha, ha ha. I'm not my for say. Ibut, but, but when I was, when I was younger,a young songwriter, I found a bunch of screenplays that my grandfather had writtenthat I had never met. I'd never met him, but what I've readthem and I thought I never knew anything that long and I thought wow,he's time page to page thirty seven and and what's going on here is time, and I thought what a mind you have to have, even, youknow, if it wasn't prize winning, it was beautiful and it was amazingand it wasn't something that I see myself being able to do. But soit's different the way you guys kind of write that. So we're we haveto write a little bit more succinctly to get those same feelings in a completeone of the things that struck me too, and I was listening to your musictoday, there's such a rhythm, then there's a rhythm a beat topoetry, and there's a rhythm and a beat to your music, you know. So I think definitely it's poetry. I really well. I will tellyou this from for me, if you asked me to write a poem versuswriting a song, a poem seems a lot more intimidating for me. Idon't know why, but to ask me, and it's funny because I could probablygo find some lyrics that I've written and maybe it looks like a poemif I just read it. But if someone said, hey, have youever thought writing a poem? I'd be like, I can't, that's scary, that's scary. I can't do that. Can Write Song? Yeah, andI did do write. If you listen to your lyrics, it's apoem. Some of those lyrics are absolutely I like the way you think.Hey too, and here what we do. There are there are people who areme music people and they're people who are lyric people and they both getmoved equally in different ways. But I have friends that go, you know, years after here and record. I didn't know you were saying that.You know, and I'm like, you know, they say you look welland I don't know. And I will say I was writing what I waswriting a song with a guy that will remain nameless, but you probably knowwho it is. But I was writing...

...a song with this guy one timeand he wrote this line and it made no sense to me, but Ithought it did to him and I said, man, that's a great line.What does it mean? And he goes, I don't know, itjust sounded cool. Yeah, and we know what means. So it's amazing. Yes later. Yeah, I had a really great story behind it.Yeah, just like I have a good answer. That's all that matters.Exactly. You guys mentioned elements and how how the you mentioned a little bitabout how they link together. Can you tell us a little bit about thecreation of that project, especially in regard to what you did with the foureps that led up to it? Well, I'll start. I'll start with thepiece and then he can kind of follow up. That way I don'ttalk too long. It was really the idea at first was look, guys, the landscape of music is changing and way people are ingesting music. Theyare they're buying singles, they're buying smaller amounts of music, and if wecan do that, we could do more. I can EPE, we could comeout with music more frequently, we can come out with it with itwon't be these big APPS, but from record to record, like record tourright, record record, we just can keep coming in, precord song attrack or two and keep things moving. And then it was jet right.What did he say? He was like, yeah, well, we were.We were looking for a way to do this and then have have kindof a common thread go through multiple albums and we had done a lot ofthings with numbers. We talked about a number scheme that might make sense orjust you know, different ways to make it happen. And as honestly,I think it was as we were sifting through some songs, we started tosee a couple of things that made sense in elements. Why wise there wasthere was a line in one of the songs that said come on in thewaters. Fine, and and so we were like okay. So we startedgoing through those things and that's when he came up with the elements idea andwe were sold right away. And then it was really cool. Also,and I know this isn't quite as interesting, but the the guy that did theartwork for the album's he came up with such cool graphic design for thealbums. Yeah, we were we really like the way all that turned outand as he started sketching them, we're like they're cool, this is theright way to go. So, yeah, that's great. Oneter, that's awesome, and so I think, Patty, you had a question. Well,I want to I'm just kind of laughing because when you said that thehe said, I don't know what that sentence means. You know, justsounds good. I'm trying to imagine any of the five of US telling oureditor that right, just keep it in this still the line? We haven'tit means, but I like the way it sounded. So I haven't listenedcountry music all of my life, since I had to listen on the radioand make mixtapes for my friends. You tried to record it and then theraiding and the DJ talks over the end of the song and I love yourmusic and I know there's been kind of a perceived shift with y'all from southernAcoustic to country music. And I live in Birmingham and you know, muscleshoals is, you know, part of the whole genre music around our areaand I read that your lead guitarist, Ryan Newell said, and I'm goingto read it so screwed up. I don't think we made a conscious shift. Everything we've done still has a sister Hazel sound. The main difference isthat we started writing with writers in Nashville and we record our albums there andyou can't help but be influenced. We're still being true to ourselves, butthe format we were lumped into for years has disappeared. If you listen tocountry music nowadays, it's what was on rock radio years ago. Absolutely,I know we all change with our art lins a liar. I know weall change with our and there you know it feels faith to be changed.But was it something you notice well it was happening, or was it morehindsight as you looked at how you had transformed by saying true, New Musicwas I'll tell you that if you go back, and you know Ken mentioned, just remember if you get back and listen to our early albums and youput them side by side, to two elements and even ladder in the darkand some of the albums before that heartland highway release, all those albums,there's the same thread kind of going through all of it. It sounds itthere. It's very similar. In fact, I would say our early albums mighthave even been more country than the stuff we're doing now. There mightbe a couple of instrumentation things that make people think it leans that way moreand and honestly, some of the songs that I've written I do tend togravitate that way, but a lot of the times it's not contrived it,it's it's what the song is calling for.

So we've never really gone in andsaid Hey, let's write this country song. We've just gone in andtried to write a good song, serve the song and then serve the song. If it calls for a steel guitar because that's the sound that is goingto create the emotion that you want, then that's what you put on it. And we've been really fortunate to be surrounded by a lot of great writersas well. We've collaborated with some of the best writers in Nashville and thenproducers and additional musicians we've had. You know, we kind of opened ourdoors a little bit, which we didn't do for a long time in thisband. But we open the doors to collaboration with outside riders and to have, you know, some guest musicians come in and and some guys come andsing on stuff. You know, we had Darius Rucker came in and sangon a song that he and I co wrote together and you know he cansing pretty good. So we were like, I don't think it's okay. Yeah, I'M A boy. You know, radio is so different. There's satelliteradio and streaming services now and all that stuff, but you know,rock has narrow that lane is narrowed. Menacelee alternative rocks, other Rock,pop, rock, Nara country kind of widened and pulled in a lot ofdifferent things. So we had always blurred that line between those different genres alittle bit. So, you know, we let other people call it whateverthey want. He's trying to make records that we're really proud of. Yeah, and I would say back to Ryan's comment that if you put on oneof the Old Eagles Eagles records or an old Tom Petty record it today,if that, if that music came out today, it'd go on country radio. That's where mine great and maybe you come out. Yeah, there's noother. There's no others would probably play it. It's been amazing to thethe way that your sound has stayed, in a way, consistent, butyou just evolved so much. I mean it's someone who's been following you guysfor literally since one thousand nine hundred and ninety seven. I mean it's butI'm actually outside your house right now. Is that we are? This isjust my fake zoom background. I'm really outside that. That's not odd tosay. No, but I mean you've your your core has stayed the samein such a beautiful way, but you've just evolved as storytellers and his songwriters, and I mean as a writer myself and I don't presume to think Iknow anything about writing songs, but I've just been so impressed by what hashappened to you lyrically with every every album. I mean you just get better andbetter. It's so impressive and the hazelnuts show up for everyone. It'samazing. So yeah, you guys are the best. Christie, I thinkthat. You know, few things have helped us. You know, there'sad and I have a thing with our voice right, the harmonies, yournuts. That's Ryan has a signature sound with his guitar. That rhythm sectioncreates an energy that's recognizable. So we all get gave. Now you gettingtogether behind our instruments, we make a noise. It's our thing to print. You know, here's that guy with the nasally voice from Gainesville. Youknow, it's recognizable and over the years, you know, I wrote the majorityof songs early, drew started writing a lot after that and over theyears everyone's begun grown into a great writer, in my opinion, and that ishelped us evolve so that it's coming from all different areas and when hebrings using a song, I bring in a song. We don't go here'sthe song. You play this, he played in a song and go thisis what it is. I want you to feel ownership on this. Sowhat do you got? You know, and that took time to develop thatkind of trust between us, because first you come in, in her forme anyway, come in, I'm like, here's the song and I want youto play like this, and I'm when he played this exact thing andI have it in my head a certain way. And then then we waslike that's not what I wanted to be in a band for. And yougive it up a little bit and you see rust. It's trust, yeah, and it doesn't come night, but it's beautiful when it happens and thenyou go oh man, I wouldn't have done that, but I'm really gladwe did. And so having everyone be writers and giving everyone the opportunity tohave input is a big piece. Hey, I have I know that it's yourshow and not ours, but I have a question for you guys.Can I ask a question? Yeah, yeah, that's a writer. haveany of you taken an extended period of time off from writing and then whenyou went back to sit down to write, were you scared? Was it asI have you ever experienced that to where you took such a time periodoff that when it was like me, I need to sit down and rideagain. Asking for a friend. I'm asking for a friend. I'm notsaying I'm frightened, I'm just saying I'm...

...a little scared. I haven't written. I mean, I'll be honest, and this is this is I knowof the people are watching this and it's not just the the small group ofpeople. I just haven't written in such a long time and I need tosit down and write and I'm like, dude, I don't even remember howto write a song, like I don't even know where to start, andso I just wondered if anybody, if you guys are better. I thinkit's a start of the pandemic. I was so freaked out and so stressedand so many emotions. I knew I have a book. I write abook a year, so I knew I had a book do in October,but I just I couldn't make myself do it. I and I was intimidatedby it. But I think all of us will tell you every time wesit down to write, I have to overcome tremendous fear and self loathing andam puff all the things. But yeah, after an extended period, I thinkthe longer you wait the harder it gets. I know it stopped strongparting and finishing, like yeah, when you take the paint brush off thefainting say it's much back. And for true, the middle, when you'reworking through there, you know you got your head down kind of doing it. But that that anxiety of yet started and then going. Because right nowwe've had like three conference calls with the band about turning in songs and I'mlike Yo, got a bunch, but I'm I'm scared. I've been scaredfor twenty five years my songs when they're written. Yeah, just I justturn off the camera. When they start talking about writing, I'm like no, I will think, I sn't want to know. Yes, no,it's just going to say we write every morning, and I mean so.I literally worked on my new book this morning. So this afternoon I'm likereading through my book was coming out next year for the final time and I'mreading it and I'm like I can never do this, like how did Ido this? I can never do this again. I had written four hoursearlier, but I was like, Oh, I'll never be able to do this. Okay, so I'm gonna never goes away. Yeah, yeah,yeah, it just means you're doing it right with your creams in. Thiswas good. Let's just keep this between us, okay. Yeah, yeah, Ye, tell our thousands of viewers that. Yeah, exactly, Christine, Christie, you would, but we're you would have push it also.Yes, so, when we got together and decided to do this friends andfiction show, one of our main reasons for getting together is that we wantedto help. You know, is during a pandemic and we thought, youknow, why can we do besides entertaining people and making them have a goodtime like tonight? You know, how can we help? And we knewour independent booksellers were struggling, and so we thought, if we can gettogether and we can help them, you know, we'll be doing something good, and you guys are really known for, you know, supporting other people whoare doing good and are really dedicated to doing good yourself. So Iwas going to see if you could tell me just a little bit about theheartbeat, which is your amazing new youtube show, and about your Pediatric CancerFoundation, lyrics for life. It seems like you're really helping highlight the goodthings and changing the world to the better with both projects. That's very kind. Thank you and and I will tell you that I feel really fortunate personallythat all of the guys in the band it has always been instinct. It'snever been forced. It's been something that we all feel very blessed and whatwe get to do for a living, and if there's a way that wecan help a worthy cause by either playing a song or showing up in anevent or whatever we can do to try to help that cause, we've alwaysfelt a call to do that and I'm proud of that. The the showthat we created, we got so tired of everything being so toxic and there'salways such a tension drawn to any celebrity when they do something wrong, whenan athlete, you know, goes on a bender or you know, there'salways a spotlight shown on everything that's negative as quick to happen, and soyou get inundated by it and that, you know, they talk about.They say that the bad news cells that's what people want to see. WhatI don't really think that is what people want to see, and neither noneof us do, and so we were like look there, you know,for instance, there might be, you know, three guys on an onan NFL football team that get in trouble right for doing one thing or another. They get in trouble and they shot a story on that, but theydon't talk about the thousand other players that are going in their community and whereverthey live and they're raising a bunch of money and they're creating foundations and they'redoing things for their community and bettering their the place that they're living, andwe think that's so important for everybody, for actors and actresses and musicians andathletes. There are so many people that are out doing great things. Wethought, man, would be cool, let's let's talk about that, likelet's go in and let's go in and chary light on that and let's let'sgo to the events and let's, you know, take a camera crew andshow them when it's all about, telling...

...them where the money is going togo, talk about how they got involved in that in the first place andby doing that, hopefully, if he and I can be even slightly entertaining, we can get people to tune in and and kind of at least geta glimpse of it. You never know when it's going to hit the rightchord with somebody and continue to help these different causes. That that that thatwe think are worthy. So, yeah, that's home. That's all. Thankyou. Thank you very much. Yeah, and then we have ourown yeah, her own foundation is called lyrics for life, and Christen knows, I lost my little brother to cancer. He was diagnosed at fourteen, Iwas sixteen and he passed away when he was eighteen. And Christian infact, help me right a little story for this, but remember that.Yes, I could be forgotten out that. That's crazy. Yes, that's togetherfor this and it's a hungry in Florida. Bill mckeen. William Keaneput it together. Tom Petty, who's in her other four people. Anyway, she helped me sound like a real rider and and get that out.But you don't come through something like that unscathed. That's that's one of thosethat's one of those wounds that to this day, obviously as a as abig impact on me, and so all of us in the band have beenimpacted by cancer and some way, shape or form. I had this ideaone day. What if we just got artist to write a lyric on anythinglike like, take a minute and ride up a verse of your hit Song. You know, thrown an airplane right on a BARF bag. Sin It'sus. Will frame it and make it nice. I grew up sturff andI wrote change your mind on a Longboard, and when McCain's a pilot he wroteI'll be on a airplane propeller. And so we were able to getstuff from everybody from James Taylor to Paul McCartney, to get the hood youguys in Togo, girls, John Mayer, all these people, and we dothese shows to raise money and we've been able to raise three million dollarsfor cancer charities, pediatric cancer charities and programs that support the collateral damage aroundthat, you know, as well as the campaigns began a couple of yearsago we were going to do this event for the hazelnuts. We had accessto this summer camp that we grew up going to his kids and first yearwe had an empty cabin and somebody said, let's invite some of the kids intheir families out here that are going through cancer treatments or whatever. Well, they came out and we went well, we know what this is going tobe from now on. So the entire event changed to US scholarshipping kids, siblings, parents from all over the southeast come for three days out atthis camp. We write songs, we do concerts, they climb ropes,course, canoeing, archery, look, I do it all, canoeing,animated course, and it's just a great version camp. I mean they justhave a great time and it's our it's our opportunity to let them unplug andhave a real weekend where they're just being kids. And as a sibling Iremember, you know, so much attention is going, as it should,to your sibling who's going through all that, but you're going through all kinds ofemotions. You kind of take a back seat sometimes, and so wewant them all to come out have a good time. So we're really proudof what we've been able to do with all that. No ill, Igot to say I came twenty three years ago for your music and I've stayedall these years later because because of your hearts. I mean you know andand not just the things you do, but your heart is so evident ineverything you write, and so I think, I think probably a lot of hazelnutswould join me and saying that. I think that's it keeps coming throughagain and again and I can't think of a better way to have spent theWednesday evening of my lunch week. This is so wonderful talking to you guys. I wish we could keep talking your ears off forever. Launch Week.Here's my copy. I'm six chapters in and as the sun of World WarTwo veteran who is a Jewish was Jewish man who liberated concentration camps, thisis cremely powerful and so you should be awfully proud, and I it's yes, you should be awfully proud of bringing this story to light. It's nice. That's nice. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Such a nice thingto say. Well, I'm such a big Fan of yours. That's sonice to hear. Thank you to admirations. I know I love it. Good, good thing I'm hanging out outside your windows talking you as you earlier. Let me just say any of you people out there who have not yet, we ordered elements. Yeah, yeah, it. It's the most wonderful album. You'll listen to it all day...

...and you'll have a little rock inyour step. It's wonderful out elements. It's the same. Thank you verymuch. Thank you. We have taken way too much of your time,but could we impose before you go and and everybody else out there, stickaround even after they leave, because we're going to be here talking about thebook of last names for a few minutes. We're going to Kattie's gonna give usa writing tip. There's more to go, but if you guys couldplay us a song, I think you would make my week. Let's doit. Are Happy. I figured out. took a long time. Oh nowthen, let's turn about Bab because I'm trying. There's been times I'mso comfy can't walk. It is I see. Always be with you.Word. Can't say it. I can't do I thought I set it allcalled the shut him dripping fall one. There's been time. So curt onmy room. She can't hurt and one always be with you. Worth cansay. I can't do enough to prove how people maybe rake ups, pourdown words sound. lets say what it is. If I always be withyou, words, can't see baby, I can't do. Not to scally. I figured out. Took oh now there's turn about baby, because I'mtrying. There's been some I'm just can't hurt. It is I see you, if I always be with you, words can say? I can't doenough to prove so fee what to think? Say What it is. I soI was so free. Thank you so much, kind and dry,for being with us when honor and a pleasure. Oh my God, itwas so great. Writer. I'll tell you this. That's long. Iwrote about an hour and a half. Wow, days, here you are, genius. Oh my gosh, that's amazing. So much. Thanks forhaving us. We really appreciate that's thank you. Thank your upcoming books.Thank you so much, and you guys do you great to see you.Thank you. By and hey, we're still sticking around the Christian Lee willshow me right back. Weren't they amazing? You guys. I was amazing.I'm that was just Oh, it's so, so fun. Oh myGosh, really that? That's like my anthem song. I played that allthe time and so now it's kind of driving again. It's I'm playing itagain the team. I could not believe it, but I was telling myparents were here and I was telling them that that Ken and drew were comingon and my mom and I both could...

...seeing the entire that entire song thatyou know. A lot of times I remember the refrain, which you mightnot remember, like the whole, like all the verses and stuff. It'slike don't time, you know that you wrote a really great song. WhenI mean, obviously I've heard it since one thousand nine hundred and ninety seven, but not, you know, I'm not getting ready in my bedroom playingat every morning like I used to be so. Well, when he whenhe said no, when they we're talking about switching genres, that they servethe song. I was like we talked about that all the time, servingto serving the story, thinking about John Ra but serving the story, andhe was talking about I just that hit like an error, like yes,it was amazing. It's just that the host is close to you out ofthe meeting. I was like thanks, thanks, let make sure that makesyour pub week complete. Just, Oh my gosh, it's that not somuch fun. I mean thank you for inviting them. So Fun. No, I have serious street crid yeah, exactly. Yes, yes, exactly. Well, would you all mind if I took a couple minutes to tellyou a little bit about the book of last names with them police. Wehave been waiting. Well, no, actually in it. Kind of thinkwe've been enjoying the music and no one was really thinking about the book oflasts. A right ruin your nice by telling you about my book. Thebook of last names came out yesterday. It is in book stores now andI really would encourage you to look at writers block our bookstore the week.That ten percent discount is nice. Plus the chance to win one of twentyof these sister Hazel CDs is is pretty cool too. And also, youknow, you can use that ten percent on any of our books, includingMary Alice's recent reussue of the Book Club. But so, the book of lastnames is the story of a female gorger in World War Two who stumblesinto the French resistance mostly by accident and winds up helping save the lives ofhundreds of children. So she and her mother are fleeing the Nazis when theywind up in a small French mountain town where a priest who's working for thelocal resistance network finds out about her false papers that she has forged for herself, and her mother approaches her and recruits her into a forgery network. Sosoon she meets Remy, who is an accomplished forger with a little bit ofan ego, who grudgingly takes her on as an assistant to help forge identitiesfor escaping Jewish children who obviously need their identities changed if they're going to getout to Switzerland or elsewhere. So she becomes passionate, though, not justabout preserving the identities of the ones who might be too young to remember,but but also about just keeping their memories alive, making sure they have away forward in the future. So she and remy decide to encode their namesin a seventeen thirty two religious text which they've been again referring to as thebook of lost names, hence the title. So toward the end of the war, the book goes missing. After the resistance cell is blown remy goesmissing too, and the book has been taken by the Nazis, and soshe thinks she's never going to see it again. So sixty years later,AVA is a librarian working in Florida and she happens to glimpse the book inan article in The New York Times about Nazi luded books and the search toreturn them to their rightful owners. So is the story unfolds in the past. We also see AVA and the present trying to summon the courage to goto Berlin, to travel to Berlin to uncover the last secret and maybe eventhe last message from Remy that is hidden in the book of lost names.And so I'm not going to take too much of the time. You cansee me in five million zooms this week and next week on you know,all over you. I'm inescapable. If you turn on your computer, Iwill probably be there. It'll probably be glitchy, I'll probably vanished, butI will be there one PM. You are and I are doing one togetherand I think Patty and I are doing one on Sunday. So I thinkso. If you guys, if you want to look at my author pageon Facebook, I'm going to be again inescapable. I'm just shouting it fromthe rooftops each time I have something. So go there when to find thoseout. But I wanted to just show you something really quickly before we moveon tonight, and that's the real life book of lost names. So theactual coding in the novel, at the center of the novel is fictional.But when I was working on this novel and I also had there's are nowofficial, which is something that forgers would have used. This is a realcopy from June twenty eight, one thousand nine hundred and forty four. Ialso had a Nazi issued travel document, which is kind of cool. Thisis something forgers would have forged. I don't know if you can really doyou cool. Need of these things in my hands to really like feel thestory, you know, to be able to tell the story. And thisbook of last names, it is a real seventeen thirty two religious text.It almost exactly. The spines match the covers. Amazing. It's like thecover designer was in my head and she had never seen this. But everytime I mentioned this book in the novel I was working from the real pagesand doing the codes on the real pages.

So this is the real book thatit's based on. So that is enough for me about that. ButI knew Christian. Yeah, I envisioned it so much bigger, like oneof those big I need to use words better. I guess in my mindI'm thinking of a big biblical thing in the church, religious text, butthis it was actually just a really common this was the weekly guide to themasses. So it was just something that you might have found in seventeen thirtytwo in a church Pew. So it was, you know, like nowyou might find a missing in a church view. It was that. Itwas that kind of thing. So yeah, really cool to kind of have itand hold with my hands. Basic, man, next time I'll work aroundmy specificity of size. Dude, I really liked about this bug.That, I think, is I mean it's kind of beside the point.It's such a beautiful, beautifully told story and this is certainly a major subplot, but one of the things that really struck me about this story is,as children, how little we really know about our parents sometimes. Yeah,that's a good point, I mean because you know, you have this protagonistthat had this whole incredible life that she never really shared with her child andI just thought that was such a fascinating element of the story. That,again, is like a really tiny subplot, but so we're something that you justsaid that made me think of it and it was so resonant. Ithink you the whole book was. It was incredible love to you to say, well, thank you. Okay. Well, so now you all knowabout the book. You know where to buy it, writer's law. We'regoing to put it. will put it on the friends and fiction facebook grouppage. Use The code friends fiction for your ten percent off. And actually, Christy, I'm jumping ahead a little bit, I know, and Patty'sgoing to give us a writing tip. But just so I don't have tobe repeating myself too many times, Christy, did you want to tell us,just remind us again about that code and and the other books people Ihave worse. Yes, so if you join our friends and fiction facebook grouppage, you'll which is www dot facebookcom. backslash groups, backslash friends and fiction, which you're probably on it, but just in case you're not,you'll find the link under announcements to writers Plot Book Store, who was offeringten percent off of our new releases with the cupon code friends fiction between tonightand Saturday. And since we adore sister Hazel and we adore all of you, are giving away twenty copies of their recent EPS earth, wind, waterand fire to twenty lucky winners chosen from among those of you who use thatcubine code. This week. Among those books you'll find by feels like folly. Mary Alice's on Ocean Boulevard, the recent rerelease of Mary Alice's the bookshop, the book club. Right, Yep, sorry, the book club, Patty'sbecoming Mrs Lewis, Mary Kay's hello summer, and Christian's new novel,the Book of Lost Names, which just came out yesterday. Thank you,Christy. That's perfect. I do hope you guys will check out writers block. You know, I have to apologize to those of you out out therewatchings. I know we usually take your questions and I think we kind ofpivoted tonight and thought it would be a little bit more fun to hear fromfrom sister Hazel and I loved hearing them play a song. But Patty hasa writing tip for us and then we'll be telling you a little bit aboutwhat else she can look forward to this summer. So, Patty, canyou give us your writing tip? I can. I'm gonna make this shortand sweet. I feel like just listening to sister Hazel was a writing toeverything it was. It was and and my favorite was, like I saidthat the serving the story instead of wearing what it is. What Johenre isit? What you know? What is the story? And serving it.But just just super quick tip tonight comes from one of my favorite books onwriting, which is called, coincidentally, on writing by seeing, and itis the tippy has and I abide by it, and it's to write withthe door closed and rewrite with the door open. And I love it becausethe editor on my shoulder is not very nice. My real life editor isamazing, but the editor on my shoulder is just you're that you're not doingit right, it's not right. You're that this is never going to beanything, just like sister Hazel was just talking about. All this generated fearand that tips helped me more than almost anything with that editor voice, inthat I can pretend I'm writing it only for myself. I can write withthe door shut and pretend no one will ever see it, and I've hadto do that more for some books than others. But and then I rewritewith the door open. What is my reader going to think? What areyou out there going to think? What am I writer friends going to think? So that's my tip and it's from Stephen King and I stole it,which I think, but it is to write with the door closed and rewritewith the door open. I think that is a great tip. Yeah,that's realized. Thinking of writing. So all of us have a a lotof books out and and if backlist and...

Mary Alice has one of her booksfrom. What year was it? Mary Ell's, do you know? Iwas trying to remember. It was my it was early. It was probablylate s. So it's called the book club and this week is a rereleaseof the book club published a few years ago. It's been re edited,updated. There's probably there's a note in there from you, right, andis has a brand new, really cool cover, however. Yeah, it'sreally cute cover. So I just wanted to let y'all know about that too. What me and you know, considering it from the late S, Ithink it would pair perfectly with that new sister Hazel item. You might it'ssister Hazel CD. You might win if you order a book. So immerseyourself in the late s with the book club and your New Sister Hazel Musica few night and if you want US throw the book a lost dames intoyour basket. While you're picking up there's Mr Hazel and Mary allous. Perfectperfect. So, Mary Kay, do you want to tell us a littlebit about what to expect next week? Yes, friend, all of us, I think, our friends with the Amazing Fiona Davis, whose latest theLions at Fifth Avenue, comes out in just two weeks. I know Kristenloved it because she's already read it and she blurred it, and I knowPatti's been loving it as well. And Fiona writes great historic fiction and usuallyshe's kind a really unusual approach to her books. I think all of themhave been centered around historic buildings in New York City. Is that? Isthat curriculm? Yeah, anyway. So Fiona will be here with us nextweek and we can't wait to have her. And this one is centered around theNew York Public Library. So and just Tians, who knows the nameof the Lions? Who? I do? It's you for prudence, and Ithink no, yes, yes, prudence, fortitude, ornitude, Idon't she'll be here to tell us next week. Look at no, Ihave done a couple of events in the past week with Fiona, since weboth have books that deal with libraries. And I'm just going to say this. Somebody has to ask her next week about the dead body. It's notin the book. There's she has a great dead body story, so we'llcall it all right, calling it yeah, how all right? Mary Ellis afterFiona next week. You kind of want to run US through the restof the summer, which is yes, it's sad, great summer girls.After Fiona will have Allen Hildebrand on August bit and I know a lot ofour viewers I've been asking for her, and then Karen Slaughter on August twelveand our beloved Christine and MC Morris comes on August nineteen and then the justus episode, followed by Eta Room on September two, and that is oursummer. We are also hard at work on our fall schedule and I'm likebursting at the seems to tell people, but we can't yet. But it'sgoing to be amazing. So we're so excited and there is going to bea fall schedule. So you guys are going to be able to you knowand not be able to be forced to listen to us for the next month. But we promise will make it good. So thank you so much. Whata wonderful way to spend our Wednesday evening. We were so honored towelcome Kenn and drew from sister Hazel, and we hope that you all outthere had as much fun with them as we did. I know I'm goingto be singing all for you all night. And also Strange Cup of tea,which drew mentioned, which is just a song. I love that.I once it gets in your head, it is there. It's a greatsong. It's not not a bad problem to have. So thank you,as always, everyone out there, for sharing your time with us, forsupporting our books and for supporting local booksellers, which is so important right now.Every book you buy from a local bookseller is a good deed for theliterary community. Plus, bonus, you get the book. So one morereminder that to say thanks to all of you. We've got those twenty CDsthere, twenty that we're going to just ship with your purchase from writers block, as long as you use that friends fiction code. It is up rightnow on our friends and fiction page. I'll put it up again along withall the links to sister Hazel, and that's about it. Anything else,ladies, anything for many of you. Hurrah for you. Don't forget tobuy the book of blocks. Name you and also the Book Club. Saysomething. Happy Book Birthday. I want to remind people that if you haveread a book, not just our book, but any book that you have loved, it's so meaningful to the authors, to their to their success. Ifyou'll leave a review, an online review. If you have something nastyto say, keep that to yourself. And if you and if you,for example, if you want a terrible rug pad that you hated, maybedon't give the rug pad review to your favorite author. That happened to methis week. So now on Amazon it's...

...like this does not stick to myrug at all, which we all hate when our books don't do that stick. Yeah, so amazing. Mama said, if you can't say something Nice,don't say anything. It's right, all right, ladies, thank youso much, and it to all of you out there. Thank you somuch. Thanks for spending some time with us. We are friends and fictionand that's a wrap. Good night, good night. Stay safe out there. You've been listening to the friends and fiction podcast. Be Sure to subscribeto the friends and fiction podcast wherever you listen and if you're enjoying it,leave a review. You can find the friends and fiction authors at www andfictioncom, as well as on the facebook group page friends and fiction. Comeback soon. Okay, there are still lots of books, writing tips,interviews, publishing news and bookstores to chat about. Goodbye,.

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