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Friends & Fiction with Kristan Higgins & Colleen Oakley

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The Fab Five welcome two guests—Colleen Oakley and Kristan Higgins. Colleen Oakley is the USA Today bestselling author of four novels which have twice been longlisted for the Southern Book Prize, have been translated into 21 languages, and optioned for film. Her latest is this summer’s hot sensationTHE INVISIBLE HUSBAND OF FRICK ISLAND. Kristan Higgins is the New York Times bestselling author of 19 novels, which have been translated into more than two dozen languages and sold millions of copies worldwide. Her latest novel PACK UP THE MOON was released on June 8th and was met with the rare trifecta of starred reviews from Publishers Weekly, Kirkus and Library Journal. https://colleenoakley.com/ https://www.kristanhiggins.com/ 

Welcome to Friends and Fiction. Fivebest selling authors and the stories. Novelists, mary Kay andrews, ChristineHarmel, Christie Woodson, harvey patty Callahan, Henry and mary Alice Munroare five longtime friends with more than 80 published books to their creditIn 2020 they created friends and fiction to provide author interviewsand fascinating insider. Talk about publishing and writing and to highlightindependent bookstores. These friends discuss the books, they've written thebooks they're reading now and the art of storytelling. If you love books andyou're curious about the writing world, you're in the right place. Well hieverybody, it's Wednesday night and we're back live again after a week away.I hope you missed us. We miss you tonight on Friends in Fiction. We'vegot two great guest authors whose new books I'm so eager to share with you.Oh by the way, I'm mary Kay andrews, I'm Kristin Harville, I'm ChristieWoodson, Harvey, I'm patty kelly and henri. I'm mary Alice Munro and this isFriends in fiction, Five new york times, bestselling authors, endless stories tosupport indie bookstores. Tonight we are so thrilled to welcome to bestselling authors Kristen Higgins and Colleen Oakley and I have to tell youall. I get a little bit weepy thinking of their beautiful new novels, both ofwhich have powerful evocations of grief and Joy Morning and the promise of hope.Christians pack up the moon. Yeah, yes, christians pack up the moon andColleen's The Invisible has been a freak island and these books are goingto stay with you long after you turn the first, the last page, the first page, the last page. You'lllove all the pages, all the pages you might remember, you might remember thatlast week mary Alice mary Kay and I along with our fearless Leader, meg andright hand podcast Chief Ron block were invited by our Christie to visit herhome in beautiful beaufort north Carolina for a series of fun events insupport of their historic homes tour. And guess what Kristen was there too?We made sure because we missed christian so much that she was with usand she probably couldn't have even made us laugh as hard as she didn'thave been there. I agree it was. Are you going to kick me off the show infavor of a cardboard? What have you been here tonight to tellme you provided endless entertainment and guess what? Class. Yeah. And guesswhat else Christie make sure that all the homes were fully stocked with ourfavorite mama Geraldine's cheese straws for those late night snack attacks ofwhich we had many. I was so sad I couldn't make it being there incardboard spirit was simply not the same. And I'm going to tell you assomeone who is not that well endowed. I'm getting a little offended by allthe references to flat kristen. I'm just telling you. But okay, so you guys,I have to tell you, I was so sad that I wasn't there and you know what I dowhen I'm sad, I stress eat. So do you know what I stressed ate a lot of lastweek mama. It's mama chilton you too for your stress eating needs. Shouldyou ever have such a need can get mama cheese, delicious cheese, straws andcookies for 20% off with the code. Fab five there. Even delicious when you'renot stress eating, they're just incredible. So it's a woman ownedbusiness. We all support and you know that every week here at Friends andFiction, we partnered with Parade magazine online. Not only do we streamlive to their facebook page, but we also write life lessons, life lessonsessays for their magazine this week, Christie's essay was a really beautifullove letter to the sweet days of summer. Well, this will make you guys laugh. Soa couple of weeks ago I was recording with all of our favorites, theSatellite Sisters and one of them asked me, have your books ever influencedanyone to move to the north Carolina coast and I thought about that for aminute and I was like, yes, me mr me to move to the north Carolina kids. So, um,I tell a little bit about how that came to be in my essay this week and justabout why I love summertime so much. I mean, I'm so fun for will to be homewith me all the time and just just feel that sense of freedom that, um, I guesswe just find in childhood and it just...

...sticks with us. It's amazing. Yeah,some of us. Uh no. Hey ladies, do you wanna give us all an insight into yourfavorite moment of summertime? I will tell you mine since you didn't ask. Ithink my favorite moment happens on this quiet summer evening when myhusband and I sit on our front steps sipping an adult beverage. We look outat the garden and we hope to see a hummingbird at the feeder. And then wehave a really exciting competition to see who can find the first fireflyflickering in the treetops or any at all. Right. I know. Well we do have, wedo have fireflies so that makes us officially old and sad and boring. No,it doesn't. For me it is just this year delight of longer days and just thiskind of general sense that people have slowed down a little bit and they'reenjoying being outside or family time and watermelon always watermelon andtomatoes fresh from the vine and strawberries and popsicles, all thosethings are what impeaches. Oh my gosh, the peaches, peaches. Yeah. Um you guys,I'm going to be like Debbie Downer here because this is what summer looks likefor me. My books usually come out in the summer, so I'm running around likea mad woman. Um My husband's biggest component of his job is running asummer program, so he's crazy and stressed all summer long. Um andespecially this last year when noah didn't go back to school, like it'sjust the year has bled into the summer. So only difference for us this year isit's just hot, it's just, it's a hot summer. You guys, you some are so muchbetter than me. I'm going to have to learn from you all next year come up.You can just, you can just, you can just read my article over and overagain. It honestly, I think a lot of us, you know, we get it because you know,we all had books out spring and even though it's just beginning to be summer,you know, I'm just glad to be home I to book tours back to back and it's just,it's just uh can sleep a little later. But do I really have to do somethingnext yet? It's a really busy time for us on the island because I'm a totallady and this is the time of the nest. So now that I'm home, the team gave mea few days off for a couple of weeks off, but I've got to go back on dutyand even though I do, my favorite time of summer really is sitting at thebeach at night waiting for the sand to move. You know, you hope I hatchlingcomes out but it's such a beautiful time of night, late at night, no one'son the beach. Usually it's just me and Barb sitting there waiting for ahatchling and the air is cooler. It's just the time to recharge yourbatteries. So I look forward to that. Yeah, question. Oh, it's time for me totell you about our guests. Hey, we need to yes, I am so excited tonight. Wehave got Kristen Higgins and calling Oakley with us. Kristen Higgins is the New York TimesUSA Today and Wall Street Journal best selling author of 19 novels which havebeen translated into more than two dozen languages and sold millions ofcopies. Kristen is also a co host along withher friend and fellow novelist, josh day of the crappy friends podcast,which discusses, I love that right, which discusses the complex dynamics offemale friendships. She lives in Connecticut with her heroic firefighterhusband and her official bio says that she is the mother of entertaining longlashed Children. I love yes, Colleen. Oakley is the USA Today bestsellingauthor of four other novels, including her newest, The Invisible Husband offreak Island, her novel, her novels have twice been shortlisted for theprestigious Southern Prize for Fiction. A proud journalism school graduate, I'mnot saying this part. Superior University of Georgia down a hard forher to do fiction journalism school graduate of the University of Georgiacoupling was an editor at Marie claire and Women's Health and fitnessmagazines. Her articles and essays have appeared in numerous publications. Shecurrently lives in Atlanta Georgia with her husband and her four kids, fourchickens and two guinea pigs, jealous of the chickens. I gotta be honest,they've always okay sean bring those...

...ladies on Welcome, commonly welcome.Thank you. Thank you guys. So happy to be here. We're happy to have you. Um,first of all I want you guys, if you guys, that's such a bad thing to say, Iwish you all you ladies would each to give us the elevator pitch describingyour newest novels. We're gonna start with Colleen. Sure, yeah. The invisiblehusband of Greek Island. It's about a young widow named island named Island.I'm now because it tonight I'm doing, it's about a young woman named piperwho lives on frick Island, a very small, remote island off the coast of Maryland.Um she lost her husband in a boating accident and in her grief, she livesunder the delusion that her husband is still alive with her walking him downto the docks, eating at the local restaurant with him and the entire town,in fact, has embraced this delusion and goes along with it, waving hello to herhusband Tom as she walks him down to the docks. And this is all fine andwell because they live on this very small island until reporter comes overfrom the mainland to cover a fluff piece on frick Island and instead findsthe very intriguing story of an entire town interacting with a man who doesnot exist and he decides he wants to get to the bottom of this and beginsunraveling the mysteries that the Islanders perhaps would have him notunravel. Great, okay, Kristen Higgins, you're up. It's really hard tonight,y'all because chris departmental instance kristen package number three.Yeah. Pack up the moon is a love story about a beautiful couple, josh andLauren park when they have been married for one year, Lauren learns that shehas a terminal diagnosis. And so in preparing for her all too soon death,she decides to write Joshua a letter for each month of his first year ofwidowhood. Giving him a job to do, to push him out into the world and connectwith other people, which is not something he does very well on his own.So, as the year progresses, the jobs get a little deeper and harder. And umand and she tries to kind of walk him through this period of sorrow and bringhim out on the other end. Mm hmm. And it's done. I have to say they're bothsuch a great, great books. And there's this very readily apparent theme thatruns through both calling and christians novels because they bothdeal with the untimely death of a young spouse. And the reader knows that fromthe very beginning of the stories. So, and unpack the Moon. We know thatLauren will die of a terminal illness and Colleen's invisible husband, freakisland Ben, a crab fisherman appears actually. It's tom I got that mom, I'msorry, I'm sorry, pardon me. It's on I'm sorry, I shouldn't have no betterthan that. Although we were just discussing before the show that wecouldn't remember the names of our own characters, characters, much less otherpeople's sorry Colleen. But I would just love to hear the challenge is thateach of you faced, especially on the heels of a pandemic, dealing withreaders that say they don't want to read anything sad. So, Kristen, can youaddress that a little bit? Yeah, sure. I was worried about that. I didn't planto write a book about a terminal illness involving the lungs that cameout right in your code. But yeah, but yeah, but I think that um that it's theright book to read right now because we've all been so locked down, you know,literally and figuratively in this pandemic, staying home, staying in ourbubble, wearing masks limiting the outside world, um interactions that wehave. And I think that this book is very emotional. Um you will definitelycry during it, but in a good way, in a sort of let it all up. We've beenthrough this year and a half that no one ever wants to repeat. And um and Ithink overall it's a very joyful and uplifting story, but it does address,you know, a very sad subject. Um and it's it's difficult to handle them thatway, but I have not had one person say I wish I hadn't read the story.Everyone is on the opposite side saying I'm so glad I read this. So the reasonI have to say fantastic, I have to say that Lauren the character was so upbeatand charming and she she didn't let it get her down which kept the pace andthe mood of the novel really positive. Yeah. And I think there's you know,there's enough funny scenes in there and I laughed out loud scenes. Yeah,carry you along right when you need...

...them the most, you know, there'ssomething absurd or funny that happens. Which is kind of my trademark. I hope.Yeah, absolutely. What about you calling? Yeah. I mean I first want tosay that I got to read Kristin's book during the pandemic. You know before,before it came out. I was very lucky in that and I did sob typically at the end,but I did laugh so hard. I mean I I was emailing her telling her some of thescenes that just had me rolling. Her characters are so, so charming. So it'sdefinitely like that fine line between, you know, happiness and sadness, whichis the kind of books that I love. Books I love to write to so freak island, youknow, while it deals with the grief of a dead husband, which sounds sad. It isfilled with quirky, funny characters. And I like to say that I find I try tofind the hope and the light and the joy in the most of the grief and theFullness, which I think kind of what we're all doing during Covid and Right,right, so true. I I also got to read an arc on advanced reading copy of frickIsland and it is so quirky. And so you just want to move to the island and andwe get the little restaurant and get to know all the fishermen. You have such agift calling at making a sense of place and community. And I loved that. And Iagree like the book is about a sad subject, but it's not a sad book. Ikeep kristen, I keep thinking about the scene where Lawrence, you know, she'sgot tubes in her nose and all these horrible things happen and she's givingher husband the loser, the forehead losers. I mean, that's what I lovethose moments in both of your books that you, um, I don't think yourreaders are drowning in sorrow. I think they're I think they're reaching forhope and you did that beautifully both of you. And it ultimately is abouthappiness ultimately. So, um, although there's sad things, but I want to talkabout your research, which is sadly, and or kelly one of my favoritesubjects. So you first Colleen your fictional and you just mentioned it,Kristen Higgins about the sense of place, your sense of place. Right? Soit's a fictional island off the coast of Maryland. And I looked at some ofthe photos you had of you and your mom visiting a real island, you know, whenyou were doing your research. So I know it's kind of based or inspired on areal place, but you have the theme of climate change and global warmingcausing the seas to rise and it threatens the existence of frick Island.Did you do a lot of research on this? I mean, I know you went to the island,but I want to hear about your research with all of that. I did. Yeah. So FreakIsland is based on and inspired by the real life Smith Island, which is a realisland off the coast of Maryland, 12 miles off the coast. It takes 45minutes in a boat to get there. Um and I first visited the island about 20years ago with my grandparents. And it's one of those places, you know, thepeople that live there are american, but they live completely differentexistence than your eye. It's so, so isolated and in fact, one of the booksthat I read for research is called An Island out of Time. It's a memoir abouta man who lived on smith island in the eighties with his family. And it's Imean that's what smith island feels like is a place that is completely outof time. Like you're stepping back in time when you go there and that's whatI wanted frick Island um to feel like in the book. So yeah, I got to visitsmith island a couple of times um in research while I was writing the book,read a few books about smith island and then definitely delved into the climatechange, which is a real threat to the real smith island, they think and maybethe, Yeah, 200 years it won't be there. Which, which is really common with. Ithink a lot of our coastal because what, Yes, how did you first hear about smithisland? Like did you know about it from visiting? Like how did it even bubbleup to your consciousness? Yeah. So my grandparents lived in this very smalltown in Maryland when I was growing up and when I went to visit them, theysaid we're taking you to smith island and I said, what is that? That's cool.That's really cool. Yeah. I was wondering how I knew you did theresearch. I loved looking for anyone who's watching, Go check out Collinssocial media. She has pictures of visiting smith island. So, Kristen, canyou talk about your research into idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis, which isa mouthful? Um So Lauren has it and she knows she has it and she knows it'sterminal and she's a young bride. Surely you had to dive down theresearch hole for this, right, Joshua, calls it 12 syllables of doom. Um yeah.And it um you know, I I knew going into...

...this book that I wanted to write astory of a widower in his very immediate grief and kind of the paththat he has to walk to find hope and happiness and and and promise again. So,you know, we writers are horrible people, We like to inflict pain on ourcharacter. So I need to find a terminal disease that is not cancer just becausethere's plenty of books about people with cancer. So I found um I. P. F. Andthen um doing my research, I found a website that had a young woman bloggingand it was it's called underwear. So a young woman who has the same thing thatLauren has um who deals with the same things. Um the management of your daywas kind of the most interesting boom. And I ended up dedicating the book tothis woman, Charlene marshall, because she shared so much about her day to daylife and also how lovely she was incredibly generous. And now we want tovisit each other and um but um she also, you know, on the one hand, she'stalking about, you know, have to judge if you really need to go up the stairsbecause that's going to exhaust you and your oxygen saturation drop on theother. She had this idea of like, look, my time is not going to be as long as Iwant, so what do I really want to do now? What kind of market I want to makeon the world? And what are the things that are going to really fill myshorter, my shortened life with a lot of happiness and adventure and stuff?So the first time I wrote to her and said, like, would you be willing totalk to me? I have to warn you, you know, my character dies. And she's like,oh, I would love to talk about this, but I'm in Hawaii right now and I'mabout to go snorkeling, wow, don't you love it, wow. He was seizing everymoment and without romanticizing the illness. She said you you're not goingto have as long as you want so you really do have to make the most of whatyou have. And that was always there lesson love. Such a lesson there. Rightfor all of us. What a beautiful mark. She's left through your book too though,I mean what a beautiful way to honor her. Absolutely, yeah. That'sincredible. What was this quote from the Shawshank redemption that they kepttalking about, Kristen get busy, busy living or get busy dying, you know thatwas that her mantra? Yeah, yeah, yeah and they think they do each other don'tyou Shawshank me? You know that red played by Morgan Freeman says and um Ihave seen that movie probably 35 times and I've seen a couple, he says that Iburst into tears. Oh it's such a small sentence in such a profound statement.So yeah, and it fits the book perfectly to um you were talking about you knowLauren and then Joshua. I have a question about Joshua who I thought wasa really inspired character. He was a first of all, he's brilliant, he's abiomedical engineer, not just he's a genius of sorts, but um I'm pretty sureyou said he was high, super high functioning aspergers. Yeah. Which Ithought was particularly inspired because it gave him that awkwardinability to to communicate. He holds a lot inside and you knew that it wouldhave been very hard for him to have found someone like Lauren in his life.So to lose Lauren, it was almost like that was it for him. And I thought Ithought that was so brilliant. And also just the way he handled grief in socialsituations, he was awkward and by the way, the audio book to the fellow whoread it and I wish I could think his name, He was very halting, very youknow, his he seemed like he was, it was difficult for him to even speak. So I'mreally curious because the grief magnified his asperger's asidefunctioning aspergers. Um could you talk about how Joshua's character arcwould how you developed that arc following his death? Because that's notan easy story to tell. Right, Right. Um you know, in my mind uh Joshua is verycontent exactly as he is before he meets Lauren, he is working, he's youknow saving lives and improving health care through his work as a medicaldevice engineer, he has his very small circle of people. And then Lauren comesinto his life and it's like in the Wizard of Oz when Dorothy opens thedoor and it's full of color, you know, and she brings him to life in this waythat he never expected to live. He never had any vision of being in loveor, or having an extended family and you know, being such a part of a couple.And um, and then she has this diagnosis,...

...so, you know, he starts to shut downagain. Um he rises to the occasion, is a wonderful husband throughout herillness. And um, and then when she dies, you know, he goes back to that kind ofgray lockdown life that he had. And so Lawrence letters, bring him to lifeagain and, you know, lead him to that place where he can see a happy,colorful, vibrant future for himself. So I think for him, he had to realizehow much he meant to people His own goodness, which Lauren saw immediatelyand believed in 1000 and to get to to accept that you know people weren'tjust there because he was Lawrence widow people were there because he washimself and they loved him and he had puddles puddles. Yeah I mean pebblespuddles not a good name for a dog, Pebbles better, but I thought that thedog actually wasn't a good device to get him to realize he had aresponsibility because it was Lawrence dog and that caring which forced himout of his shell a little bit. Yes, I loved it. I loved that he hadasperger's, it was very inspired. Thank you Mag you have a great choice. SoColleen I thought it was interesting that you decided to make Anders whocomes to the island um a reporter at a struggling local newspaper and also abudding podcaster. Um and he kind of comes in, he uh immediately betrays thetrust of the entire population of freak island. Exactly. First day. Yeah,exactly. So Colleen, I know you have a background in journalism as do I, asdoes mary. Kay as do a few of us. Was that any kind of a commentary oncontemporary media or was it just kind of a tricky um conflict for Anders tonavigate? Like a reason that he would feel compelled to have to do this. Yeah.I mean I think a little bit of both. I I certainly related to Anders and Iwent to journalism school and there's this go dogs, you went into wrongjournalism school but I don't think you broke out in a warrior, a differentschools going on here on this. I inadvertently took a side tonight. Yeah,christian graduated from U. N. C. As we all know, their football program reallydoesn't have a dog in this hunt. So we're just gonna go right back tojournalism school is also, I'll give you that you can do that. Hello. Sothere are other journalists here on the can relate to that certain feeling ofthere's like an idealistic naivety when you graduate journalism school thatyou're going to go out and you're gonna cover war and politics and save theworld, but you're also gonna win a million pulitzers while you do it andyou're just wildly famous of course for your incredible writing. So, you know,I really related to an Anderson that feeling and he was kind of a joy towrite. Um but also, you know, there's that line that every reporter has tofigure out how to walk, which is covering a story. Like, you know, youhave to weigh the benefit that your story is going to bring to, like thegreater society, right? And and the harm that it could help people thatyou're covering. Um and I don't know that he necessarily gets it right. Um,certainly lessons to learn, but I think when you're that young, it's also alittle bit more forgivable. Like if he was a 40 year old, kind of a little bitmore, you know, seasoned reporter, I don't know that it would be asforgivable as it is for this, you know, fresh face, you know, idealisticreporter. Yeah, that absolutely makes sense. And, you know, I wrote for yearsfor magazines and I remember being faced with questions like that, youknow, and like you said, early in a career, because before you've kind offigured out your own moral compass or whether you put the job first. Yeah, Ithought that was really interesting the way you did that Colleen. I you know, Ihad so many questions after I finished reading both these books, I saw so manycommon threads and so many divergent threads, but I think one of my favoritethings um about both of your books calling and Kristen was that, you know,do you all agree that you write women's fiction? Okay, just wanna make surethat I don't want to step on your toes if you don't if you mean, what do Iknow? But anyway, I love that you both...

...had male protagonists who were notalpha males. And I told Colleen that Colleen and I did another eventtogether and I loved Anders and I loved um I love Joshua, they're you know,they're awkward and they you know, they're not your they are not your umHarley can cover model types and I think that makes them so relatable toyour readers. Um Christine, would you talk a little bit about that becauseJoshua is, you know, I thought it was interesting that everybody that Laurenkeeps insisting he's hot and then her best friend also tells him he's hot buthe doesn't think he's hot, he has no idea. And I think that's so appealingin a man, you know when he's not spending longer than you are in thebathroom. So you know um yeah he looks don't matter to him, I mean he thinkshis wife is beautiful of course, but it's just such a tertiary considerationof how does he look? He dresses very badly. Oh my God, the scene is that umis it J. Crew? Yeah addressing Republic? Right. Oh God, what is in the bananaRepublic? Yeah so he uh yeah he uh he doesn't think about like how clothesmake you look and Lauren really, you know, kind of shapes, whip them intoshape and and and then later so does Bradley? Who is the banana Republicsalesman who becomes his, his close friend. But yeah, I think becauseJoshua is, he's an only child of a single mom, He has a very small world,He doesn't really well too, other people right away social situations arehard for him. So I had to throw the poor guy of bone and make him smokinghot. But you know what I loved about that is that actually that rings truefor asperger's syndrome to that self reflections, this is excuse. So hecould be a gorgeous guy and have no clue. Yeah. Which is what made it soappealing. Right. Right. And then that awkwardness of not knowing how heappeals to people, you know, he's hit on in the bar with radley even know ithad no idea, you know, and there's such an innocence about that that I thoughtwas very true to his character and I think this name was true with Anders,you know, he's such an innocent, he's so he's so young and so ambitious, butalso like such a dork in the best sense of the word. Yeah. Talk to us aboutAnders Colleen because I told you how much I loved him and I loved, again, Iloved his character arc. Yeah, I mean, Anders is definitely not hot by any,but he's firming lee adorable, like, you know, like not unattractive, butyou know, you kinda definitely have to get to know him and his quickwitticisms to appreciate how good looking you can be. Uh and I think, youknow, like those are the kind of guys that I'm attracted. Do I think thatthat's more real life than meeting like the strapping brawny, you know whereGod man, like that's fun to read about two. But um you know, I just think thatthat that to me is more interesting, like getting to know somebody and thenthey become very attractive. So it's I think what's great about both thesecharacters is as part of their p character art. They finally figure itout how to tune into the women that whose lives they've come into becauseAnders is so clueless. I love when the sports writer in the newsroom is liketrying to coach him on how to pick up chicks, which as we talked about beforeis very true to life if you've ever met a sportswriter hilarious. Yeah. You gotall of you watching. I hope that you will um get these books, they're they're justdelightful. They're funny and they'll break your heart and they'll patch themup again. And and like I said before, uh these books will not, these bookswill not leave you for a while, but let's talk about our weight. Do we havetime for reader questions? And I think we have to do our bookseller, don't we?Who's our bookseller this week? Yeah, we do. Trying to look at what, you knowwhat, let's take some reader questions,...

...don't you think? Absolutely. That'sawesome. Yeah, let's do it. Um Somebody take a reader question. Gwen Adams saysColleen, I love following along with you and your family with four kids. Howdo you have time to write? Fred must be a great partner. Red is a great partner.He really is. I have to brag on him because you know obviously now that mykids are school age, I write for the six hours if they're going at school.Um, but there are many weekends and nights and early mornings and even fulllike three and four day retreats where I have to leave and bang out some words.And he holds down the fort, I mean he's got it, he's got it down. We joke thathe's Captain von trapp and he's got his whistle live. Uh, he's a great dad anda great partner and I certainly could not do it without him. Well, I have tosay there's a whole lot of comments. I'm looking for questions but commentsfrom people who loved the book. So you should just, you should know that justlots of them. So Maria liu wanted said, I read Kristen Higgins who is differentthan Christine Harmel or Kristen Wilson harvey, she read your book life andother inconveniences and it was fantastic and she loved it. She wantsto know if the dog on the cover is yours. I wish the dog on the cover wasmy I have a sloppy Drewry mud who sleeps 23 a half hours a day. Um cleverfor like mother inconvenience is a picture of a dog swimming underwater.And it's this wonderful photo. It's you know, there's so much emotion that youthink like what is this dog going underwater. But there's a scene in thebook where my, one of my narrative 85 year old woman and she goes for a swimout in Long Island Sound and she gets a little discombobulated and she startsto drown and she forgets where she is and then her dog comes out to kind ofsave her dog has jumped in the water to follow her and that's how she orientsherself. So it's a very meaningful scene in the book. Um, Genevieve'smoment of weakness and the dog rescuing her. Um, but alas, that, that beautifulgolden retriever is not mine, not yours. I really justice is asking a questionwhich I'm curious about and she's asking for both of you, what are youworking on next? I'm not at liberty to say only because I tend to babble andsound like no, start in the middle and work my way back through subplots. Um,I'll say it's about two sisters and it's set on Cape Cod, which is um, tothe southern ladies, the north banks of, of New England. It's the most beautifulbeach area in the world and um, and a tiny little towns makeup. Should wehave like a Smackdown about that? About like the Georgia florida auburn becauseI think we should visit each other and yeah, I think that's only responsiblekristen I like that question. A lot of credit to. I'm headed to Cape Cod anduh, Nantucket at the end of july. Oh gosh, drop me a note. I went once toplease one of the best. You got totally interrupted you. Okay. Two sisters,Cape Cod. That's it. That's all she loved. Okay, how about you Colleen?What are you working? I just finished the first draft for my next book andit's a few um, mostly true story of Tanner and Louise. Love your titles.Great, Great title. Thanks. Um, the very short elevator pitches that Louiseis an 84 year old suspected international jewelry thief. Tanner isa 21 year old college dropout who takes care is Louise caretaker, even thoughthat is absolutely not what she wants to be doing with her life. Um, they endup on the lam from the police and trying to figure out who Louiseactually is that we've got so many other questions coming in. So maybeboth you ladies will smoke, come on the friends and fiction facebook page afterthis and answer some of these questions. People have burning questions they want.And uh yeah, we've got to talk about our bookstore partner this week, whichis R. J. Julia booksellers. My local indie. Yes, they are located on theshoreline in the shoreline town of Madison Connecticut. Um, I love this.They've been our bookstore before. There's such a great store, but RoxanneCody named this store for her paternal grandmother and I just adore this. It'sa bookstore where words matter, where...

...writer meets reader, where the ambienceand book selection create a welcoming atmosphere and where Roxanne and herteam are fiercely committed to putting the right book in the right hand. Ijust think that's magical. Talk about a mission statement But you can get 10%off at R. J. Julia with the code friends 10 on Colleen's new releases aswell as our new releases. Now. Ladies every week, one of ourfavorite parts of the show is receiving a writing tip and we really want tohear one from you. If you'll give us one. So Colleen you want to get usstarted. Yeah. So mine is too. So um one of the, and I know I obviouslycan't remember. One of the famous writing tips is butt in chair. Rightmine so I can put my butt in the chair. But then I will go down all these holeson the internet, the internet and not actually. Right. So my tip is butt inchair. open document. Yeah. You actually document even if you commitfor 15 or 20 minutes a day. The point is getting back into your story so thateven if you don't have six hours to commit to your writing, it's stillfresh in your brain and your brain will be thinking about it working on it. Sothe next day when you come back to it you'll have even more to write. So buttin chair open document. You clean. I love it. And I thought you were gonnasay button chair internet off. Yeah. It is good. It's just as good. How aboutyou kristen um I actually often give the same tip that Colleen gave us. Justlook at your document every day even if you can't work on it. But for the pointof diversity, I'll say that when you get stuck on a plot point and you'renot sure That something needs to happen, but you don't have any idea what, justmake a list of 10 things. And it could be completely random like, you know,and she runs over a human or a bomb goes in the bakery, you know, orsomething like that. And even if they're absurd, don't get your mindthinking to that next point. I love that I was stuck today and certain maryKay andrews said, you know what patty? Why don't you just get them into acrazy disagreement? Just have them get into a crazy disagreement and that'sthe same thing you're saying. Like just find something. I love that. I lovethat. Thank you. Yeah, that's a great that's a great writing. Especially forall the writers out there. Let's talk about book recommendations.You know what we find that um are members of friends in fiction. They areinsatiable bibliophiles. So yeah, you guys have a do ladies have a bookrecommendation? I do. Um It's pam Jenoff uh less blaring. There we go. UmIt's a beautiful story of friendship in the Warsaw ghetto during World War Two.So it's an incredibly intense story. You know, you'll read it in one sittingand it's just so beautifully told. It's such an unusual friendship situationand like most of her books, pam's and things have this little risk that willbreak you and heal you so that you're stronger. Yeah. Okay. Have you got oneColleen that you want to introduce? So I um as you ladies know, I'm on a bigroad trip and I ignored my entire family in the car today, reading sevendays in june. It's a love story about this couple who, when they wereteenagers, had a very intense and rocky Seven days together and fast forward 15years later they run into each other. And it is really, really good wayChristian. You've got one right. Yeah. And I think it's one that's a few of ushave read and really liked Susan Elizabeth phillips. Um when starscollide, it just came out yesterday. It's part of her Chicago star series,but you don't have to have read the series. It's completely a stand alone.Um, but so if you have read the series, you know, you love her. If you haven't,this is a fantastic place to start. Um it's about a quarterback in an operasinger. Uh and it is just delightful and fantastic and fun and it's justSusan Elizabeth phillips and she's fantastic. And what we need isfantastic. And I wanted to remind everyone that lisa Windy who's been onthe show as has pam Jenoff as has Susan...

Elizabeth phillips. Her book. The Bookof Lost Friends is out right now this week in paperback. So if you've waitednow, if your time mary Alice, you're muted, mary Alice, you're to marry me. I seeit. Thank you. I was, my dog was barking. I didn't want to bothereverybody. Um, you know, I was, I'm on long car trips to and I was actuallycoming home from Beaufort and I had the most remarkable audio book and it wascalled The Indigo Girl. And it's not a new book, but it was new for me byNatasha Boyd. And what I loved about it being from south Carolina. It's bodylizzo Lucas pinckney, a real woman who lived in 17 39 and she was a 16 yearold girl and her father who was in the military basically left the running ofhis plantations in south Carolina to her. And it's because for a love forindigo that it became it really saved south Carolina. So it's a reallywonderful book about the history of the time. And you know how I always say thenarrator makes all the difference in the world. And this is the first time Iheard her Saskia marla veld and she's done a lot. But was first time I heardher voice and she was charming. So I recommended I just have to chime in andsay it's really funny that you recommended that book. I love this booktoo. I actually met Natasha in charleston, um, the weekend that she umshe told me about this idea for this book and she actually was like at thisconference where I was to pitch this idea to an agent that she really wantedto sign with. It's really funny that you but she is a really wonderful humanbeing. Yes. Doesn't she had the most beautiful voice. Yes, yes, she does.She's english and I think we've all met her and she is, she's starting adelightful and so I am reading uh brand oh yeah, I heard fabulous new memoircalled Fox and I and it is and it's called Fox and I an uncommon friendshipby Catherine raven and she is a self described solitary woman. She's abiologist and she built a tiny cottage in a remote part of Montana andunexpectedly finds herself befriended by a wild fox. And we talk a little bitabout that on the podcast that I've done with the new with the newlyreinvigorated Spiegel and Grau. So if you love podcasts, give us a listen onfriday, you can hear the founders of Spiegel and Grau talk about how thiscame to be the first book on their list. Yeah, I really only read that book. Itsounds wonderful. Yeah, can't wait. Okay, so All right everybody, it'salmost time to wait until you see what I have done with this work salad. We'regonna pack the moon and the invisible husband of frick Island, but not quiteyet because we would love it if you would stick around. Not only for ourstory. Point sip and stay stay because we have one final question for Colleenand Kristen. But first we wanted to remind all of you out there to checkour podcast, the friends and fiction writer's Block podcast with librarianRon block. It is the same podcast, new name, new episodes, we've stiffed it up,we've gone pro um with new episodes every friday. A new episode dropswherever podcasts are found. Last week's episode is up now a seriescalled Origin Stories where Patty and Ron interviewed Chris Whitaker about,we begin at the end and amy jo Burns about Shiner Shiner too. Big, big booksthis past year and of course I already told you this week I'm interviewingmary me, I'm interviewing um julie growl and Cindy Spiegel about launchingtheir new independent publishing house, Spiegel and Grau and their first title,Fox and I, so I hope that you also know about our Book Club. Some of you mayhave heard of the Book Club, but you may not know, it's actually on aseparate page. It's a separate facebook group, it's called the Friends andFiction Official Book Club. It's headed up by Brenda Gartner and lisa Harrisonand they have such an exciting schedule coming up this month. They arediscussing Mary Alice's Summer of Lost and found that's going to be on july19th and in august it will be the Forest Vanishing Stars with me. Andthen um they have informal chats and lots of lots of different ways toconnect throughout the, throughout the year. It's pretty great, they're thebest and I hope everyone knows that we have merch you asked for it and wedelivered. So right now we have amazing t shirts, wine cups and water tumblersthat are available from Oxford Exchange and on our website um and we have, Idon't want to over sell our new product that we're getting ready to release,but it's, you can never sell it. It's...

...pretty epic. I think that the guys,Yeah, so stay tuned and because we love to tease and then not really tell youwhat it is, but don't forget about mama Gr partner and entertaining and I justlike saying this. So I'm gonna do it, snack on y'all. Oh, that was so good.You next week join us right back here on our facebook page at seven p.m. Forpossibly these big long all book launches and certainly in the historyof Friends and fiction as we celebrate the publication of christians, TheForest of Vanishing Stars. I for one have been working with my vocal coachfor months in anticipation of my musical performance is broadway evenready for all this talent in one place, I don't know where is toast another christian justhanging up. No, no, no, you guys obviously I'veofficially lost my mind right? Like I'm up to my eyeballs and work and stressand I said, I know already to broadway style musical for Friends and fiction.Um, but once I get started I couldn't stop it. It's gonna be so much fun. UmIt'll feature our friends, Christina, Sieve Rich who is a musical sensationwith a broadway past and steven Kellogg who is an incredible Grammy nominatedsinger songwriter. Look him up right now if you have not heard his music yetand perhaps most importantly it will feature our very own Sean heading. Erare behind the scenes producer you guys all know and Love Sean, who we talkabout all the time in the role of Zeus and Sean has a brand new single outnext week. So we will tell you all about that too. You will not want tomiss it. It's a big week. Yeah, I know, I know. I just thought up the name forwhat Sean should call his, his record label cabana Boy Records who like it. Ilove it. I don't know how he's going to, What do you think? I know what he'slike. I got a for our upcoming schedule events. Please visit our website orcheck the sidebar on our facebook page. We're especially excited about ourvirtual friends in fiction debut. Yeah. We're going to even let flat KristenHarmel join us at the Met with Ananta. I'm very sensitive. Okay? No, no, butjoining us, she'll be joining us with our debut on the Nantucket BookFestival like 20th at seven p.m. Eastern. Our discussion is free andopen to the public, but you will need to follow the link on on the thingthere that there flashed us and our good Yeah, I know are good palate,Nantucket part book partners. Tim Ehrenberg will turn the tables on usputting us in the hot seat as the guest and I just wanted a little preview.Somebody promised that we would write a short story together. Why three says as to who would volunteer usto write one, continue a short story together. I don't know, maybe themusical writer. I mean I could choreograph a song and dance number ifyou guys would forever Well story story whenever you want, whatever you want,Kristen. Okay. And y'all, don't forget that if you miss an episode, you canfind it on our Youtube channel. Okay, now, finally, for the final question,one of the questions we love and we asked so many of our guests is whatabout your childhood and your upbringing with your parents shaped youinto the writers you are today. So also what was your favorite childhood bookwe kind of added onto it this week, Kristin, Let's start with you. Okay, myfavorite childhood book was Mandy by julie Edwards. Also known as truly andis also known as Mary Poppins, wow. I don't know that beautiful story about alittle girl who's an orphan and finds this little house in the woods that shestarts to fix up. Um And what shaped me to become a writer I think is that myparents and my extended family, aunts and uncles everybody talks so much thatthere was no room for a child to talk. So I just eavesdropped, I became alistener and I think that's probably the greatest skill is to be able tolisten to other people's stories. That's the first time I've heard that.That's actually very interesting. And you're right that listening power youknow I always tell people you're never safe when I'm in the room because I'lluse how about you colleague? Yeah. Oh did we lose Colleen? Oh no. She isbeautiful. It's black. Colleen it. Well...

...we'll have to do is get Colin to writeit out and we'll put it on our facebook page so that everyone can read heranswer. Okay so all of you out there while Colleen is frozen in time. Iencourage you to pick up the invisible husband of frick Island and pack up themoon from our preferably from R. J. Juliathe bookseller of the week. And the link is on our facebook page underannouncements and thanks so much for being with us. Next up is our storypoint siblings day where you never know what could happen. But hang on becausewe've got one more important thing we want to tell you about christian. Thanks for joining me. Such a fan of all of you. It's been agreat thank you. More fan of yours. You. Yes thank you. I do. Is this my moment? You want me to behere for all of you out there? You know, I love being here every week. But I, Ijust, I'm going to take a sabbatical a few months off and I'm not leaving.Just, I'll be back in the end of summer and I just want to get some researchdone. I have to get out and um, where I'll probably be where there is nointernet. So I, I know. So I'll see you all in a couple of months. So if you'rewondering where I am, I'll be popping in when I can, but I'm just taking whatwe call a little leave of absence to do some work. So I'll see you all soon.Wait. But you're still gonna be here next week for my lunch. Right ME, me,me, me, me, me. Yes, I will. So that that will kind of be like, like you're,you're on corresponds sites. Your son song literally is fun song right now,Colleen apparently came back. Where is she? All right. Yes. Let's esseker. Dowe have a minute? Yes. Okay. Did you hear the question about what was itabout? You? All right, You technical difficulties and yes, I'm so glad thatI've got to get back because my two favorite books are freckle juice andfrom the mix of files of mrs O frank, I love Yes, yes. I love the chance toshout out my mom who was my biggest, um, you know, writing and readinginspiration because she went back to college when I was little, she got hermasters in adult literacy. So reading always very important. And I love totell the little funny story that every single night growing up, we always hadreading time. Like I thought that everybody had brushed their teeth andhad reading time. Everybody in the whole world and in my very firstsleeper, you know, I packed my book and we won't do that. So I pull out my book when we'rein bed and my friends like what are you doing? And I said it's reading time. No,realized that not everybody has read. Oh, everybody should go. That is the,that's the cutest story. Well like you even more now we put the slumber partyand have reading everyone. Yes, we love having you. You're calling my small technical snag. I know you'rea great time. Lucky ladies. Thank you so much.Thank you kelly. Right. That was so good. Perfect timing.Exactly. Alright, Okay folks, hang out for story points with my story point.Yes. And stay with stories. I have to get my blue mug though. I have to getmy Friends in fiction. What you after the credits in a minute. Yeah. Okay. Everyone welcome to the Friendsand fiction. Sit and stay with story Point, which I practice saying afterthat. It was beautiful and stay story point after show. We are so happy to bepartnering with story point wines and I have to say there's just so yummy andall summer long. It will be the summer of story point here on friends andpictures. I'm going to pack it with me. When I go off researching with mama,jeez, you go, it's like the perfect on the road picnic basket with the winethat says things like indulgence stories told that not perfect for us orwhat their motto sounds like a book title. And and we all know about. Well,at least I know about wines and book titles. The winemakers, Wife, right?hashtag wife if the mon parsa, their female winemaker says what's winewithout a story? And honestly, what...

...does anything without a story? So joinus on our summer story point and watch out our uncorking the weekend videos. Ithink there's a very special one coming on friday. Yes, yes. All of you. And there's astory point interesting. Yeah, they were, yeah. Yeah, cheers, mary Alice.So tell us more about what you're going to be doing on your, on your sabbatical.What are you doing on your way? Well, right now, I mean right now I just wantto pay all my bills and or clean off my desk and before I even think about it,I'm doing a couple of things. I'm going to an area in the a space in which isin south Carolina between Beaufort, Beaufort and charleston, 360,000 acresand where I'll be is in the middle of nowhere. I'm going to stay in a littlecottage on a plantation that's just in the middle of nowhere and it's gonnalive there for a couple of weeks. So that's part a I have to live on doingthis for a week or two because we have to do the next in the Islanders seriesto finish that. And then I'm going off to Maine to do some research on whales.So I'm traveling a lot this summer and I'm not sure what I'm gonna be doing.Exactly, mains more exploratory. When I go in the winter, I'll be in in Mexicowith whales in december. And I have some things lined up to do work withthe whales because that's when they have and it's gonna be really cool. Butit's just, I'll just be going places and researching and just kind of goingunder right. And then it'll be just hopefully I'll keep my health up, getrid of this cold before I take up. Uh huh. You know, I'm going to write aboutrunning away too, right? Um for my parade essay next like that. And I'vedone that since the very beginning of my writing career. So I don't want tosay too much about that because I don't want to burn up all my good material.Have you know, I know we have to, pardon? Have you all We've all run awaytoo. Right? Maybe not Kristen because she has this pesky little kid I havebefore. I mean, you know, I have to I moved to paris when I was before Iwrote my first novel. That's where I wrote my first book. That's definitelyrunning away to write, I think. Right? Yeah. But I never ever have ever like,not even for like a night or anything. So, but sometimes I'm like sometimes Ithink I'm gonna have to, but so far so far so good. I just have to know wherethe animals are. But I mean the space and is more habitat. So it's not really,but I just need to know what's living in those woods. But the whales. I, Imean actually how fun is that to be with whales. But I'm not sure what thestory is yet, but that's, I just have to be there and it may take me twoyears before I figured that one out. Yeah, Yeah, definitely. You know, goingaway to writers, cabins, writers. Oh, you do that a lot. Yeah. So go up themountain, that one of her, right? Yeah. Thanks for bringing that up. That'swhat her ankle. Yeah. Yeah. She was a miracle. There is nothing short of amiracle. If it had been me my phone wouldn't have worked. Y'all know howgood I am with phones and I would have been dead on some cliff. Never feltsure phone worked. And that's you know like Yeah. Yeah I haven't hiked alonesince then so I'm glad. Good plan. So what is everybody doing for the fourthof july weekend? My gosh, it's gonna be so fun. Why? Yeah. Story point. And I'mgonna go watch the fireworks. I have to say living on Allah palms is a greatplace for fourth of july because you don't want to ever have to get in a carbecause there's so many traffic. But we have a little parade, one of those golfcart parades you know that you dress it up in the 19 fifties like and then wego to the beach because you can walk and um if you start with the dusk onyour right is Sullivan's Island and then the whole beach just turns aroundin their chairs and then there's a lot of watches. It's probably like the mostfun week of the year here. I feel like everyone takes the week off and they'rejust like I feel like every minute of our next week is like booked solidwhich is really fun and there are people from all over the place and umit's fine we're gonna see lots of friends that are here for the summer orwho only come down for this week or we haven't seen any year. It's really fun.So we're excited to have a lot of traffic traffic a problem for all thesmall roads or is it not too bad, it's not too bad. Although I've never, it'sso busy this year. It's really, it's really, really busy. So I don't know.Um, this year might be really bad. I...

...don't know. We'll see. I'm just waitingon christian. Are you gonna get to do anything fun? Uh, well I have a fullweekend planned of freaking out checking my numbers working. I'm notdoing it. I keep telling, you don't know, waking up in the middle of thenight wondering if I'm doing enough. Yeah, that kristen is gonna be having areally good time with me though. So I'm so excited for flat kristen becauselike slightly more shapely Kristen is probably not what we're going to bewith you. We're going to be emotionally right there with you singing along theway. You're at Palmetto Bluff. I am so I'm in Bluffton and like you just said,kristen Kristy. It's one of the best weekends. Like the, there's somethingevery hour. I'm like, stop, stop. But my husband's favorite is they have thislittle thing on the town green called Yappy hour for the dog with the dogs.Like all these little hates me, laugh. They've just been out all these poolsand it is gonna love it. I know, but there's, you know, there's the littleparade and we make my nieces do it every year now they're teenagers andwe're like, we're not doing it. And we're like, yeah, also the family'scoming in. So you have family, you're gonna be here. No choice. You havenoticed. Well, the most exciting thing happening next week is the release ofthe forest Vanishing stars for sure. And you're gonna, are you doing, areyou going to be on the road next week or not until the next week? I'm doingjust florida events next week. So I'm doing vero beach, um Writer's block inOrlando, um copper fish in punta gorda, um Macintosh books in santa Bell andOxford exchange in Tampa. That's next week. Yeah, so I'm excited. And thenyou're headed this way. I am headed that way. I'm the only one that wantsto see you. I think, I know, I feel so sad about it, but you and I are doing a,a literary festival together and we are in real life that we have to do avirtual together on the 19th Ron Ron. Yes, yeah. And this is on your website,right, all of that. Yeah, thank you for asking. Yeah, thank you. But I thinkwhat, what, what, what are your big plans? I am not going down to timingbecause thankfully the houses are rented, which means they are generatingincome for the hole that we've dug ourselves into. So we're having we'rehaving fourth of july in the Dail Avondale Estates. Um We're going tohave, you know the traditional parade has been scaled way back and I thinkit's going to be a matter of golf carts, drunks on bikes and pick up trucks andum drunk song bikes that Uh huh My son and his girlfriend and her two boyswill be here. Um We'll do a covered dish supper. I've scaled back myexpectations of myself. I'm gonna border fried chicken from public. So Ithink yeah, that's good fried chicken. I have good fried chicken, I do bratsand burgers pretty much, that's that's my thing. According to the cop tomatoesand then we'll go down to the lake and we'll watch the fireworks and that'sabout it, you know? But that's all we need, isn't it? Isn't that the best?Yeah, kind of decorate the front of the house with flags and stars and all thethings and don't forget to keep your dogs and doors for the fireworks.Everybody out. We are, we have three english setters and um, ivy uh, is gunshy. And so, uh, we've got a thunder jacket for her, but I think we're gonna,I think we're going to get her some chill pills. The CBD ones work reallywell. I'll have some of those One for you when you heard me say the word dog.You think it's time to go start frying chicken for the 4th of July, we'regoing public and I don't get your voice training and while you're public, don'tforget to pick up your story. I if you haven't preordered your forestvanishing stars like time you're going to want to be familiar with it by thetime we staged the musical, right? You're going to want to be like, atleast a few chapters in on Wednesday so that you're like, I know what'shappening here. One of the reasons I have these dark circles under my eyesis I just have the damn every spare minute. I've been reading thiswonderful book and I just can't. You...

...thought you were going to say you werepracticing for the musical? I was like 30 right now. I'll do my bell, do mybest. So catchy. Like it's truly, it's so catchy. Like when everyone, I meanit's like when you stuck. It's so good though. And I'm like, you know, likehumming it and we'll put a little, well, what are you seeing mom? And I'm solike the hot, the earwig, the wig. But you listen to it. It was like, uh it's not, you were earwigs, that's awhole different thing. Sean no, I have to tell you, I'm just trying to worm,worm. It's in your room. But I have to say I was talking about it with Marcusbecause we had heard the word expression and my grandson was, who'ssix years old is horrified. He thought, is that a real thing? You can burn inyour head. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, we'll tell me that if you chewgum, it gets out of your head. Uh He said he read that in one of those likeNational Geographic books of all the like random facts, I arrest you. I willtell you a bit of trivia that you don't want to know. So there was when I was akid, twilight zone would come on everybody here except for materials andI are too young to remember twice. I was terrified of twilight zone, butthere was an episode called The Earwig and it was like, yeah, don't Okay. Doyou want to nasty official difference between earworm and earwig? Because Ineeded to do just to just to clear it up. The ear worm is the tune that isstuck in one's head, especially as repetitive while earwig is any variousinsects in the order of Dermot terra that have a body and they do havelittle large membrane ist wings folded under Nice short. You know, because I was alreadysleeping so well with worrying about just super helpful. Thank you. Waythey're different the way our full service friendly way. You guys alsohave to come back next week though to hear to hear more about Shawn's newsingle, which I think is extremely important. We have to talk about thatnext week to release on cabana boy interests exactly the way our newsponsor way our next merch items. Hey, you know what, let's end with our firstcustomer. There you go. To toast, toast to mary Alice going on. You know theway. And we have put out doing your swan song next week as part of themusical. So well, I'll be with you. I'll be watching if I can. If I getreception, I'll be watching. All right, I love you. Goodnight everyonechristian. We can't wait for next week. Thank you for tuning in, Join us everyweek on Facebook or YouTube where our live show airs every Wednesday night atseven p.m. eastern time and please subscribe to our podcast and follow uson instagram. We're so glad you're here.

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