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Friends and Fiction with Kristin Hannah


#1 New York Times Bestselling Author Kristin Hannah gives the Friends & Fiction authors a behind-the-scenes glimpse into her next novel and the process of researching and writing her amazing books.

Welcome to friends and fiction. Five best selling authors endless stories. Friends and fiction is a podcast with five best selling novelists whose common love of reading writing in independent bookstores bound them together. With chats, author interviews and fascinating insider talk about publishing and writing, these friends discussed the books they've written, the books they're reading now and the art of storytelling. If you love books and you're curious about the writing world, you're in the right place. Best Selling Novelists Mary K Andrews, Christen Harmel, Christy Woodson Harvey, Patty Callahan, Henry and Mary Alice Monroe are five longtime friends with more than eighty published books to their credit. At the start of the pandemic, they got together for a virtual happy hour to talk about their books, your favorite bookstores, writing, reading and publishing in this new, unchartered territory. They're still talking and they've added fascinating discussions with other best selling novelists. So joined them live on their friends and fiction facebook group page every Wednesday at seven P M Eastern, or listen in view later at your leisure. Everybody. Welcome this friends and fiction, and it wouldn't be Wednesday night and friends and fiction if we weren't having some technical difficult quality. So we do on our guest Christin Hannah, to Bemim, and hopefully that's going to happen. Just to catch you up, we're five best selling novelists and our common love of Reading, writing and independent book stores found us together. So, with chats and author interviews and fascinating insider talk about publishing and writing, we and whine. Don't forget the wine. That's that's what we call Social Lubra Kent, the books we're writing and reading and the art of storytelling. So if you love books and you're curious about the writing world, you are in the right place. The exactly. So we're going to go around and introduce ourselves to you, in case you're new here or in case you're old like me and you forget. So I am Mary Kay Andrews, my latest book is Hello Summer, and I'm Mary Alice Girl. Can you hear it here? Who? Who? I'm Mary Alice Monroe, and my recent books on ocean full of our welcome everybody. I am Patty Callahan and Patty Kelly and Henry and my latest contemporary is the favorite daughter and my latest story hall is becoming Mrs Lewis, the improbable love story ab CS Lewis Enjoy Dhidman. I'm Christy woods and Harvey and my lady, but it feels like fallen and I'm christing her mouth Athor of the upsoming the book of last you guys out there and friends and fiction. Man, this is like the real behind the scenes, like this is how it happened, just how we create the magic. Everybody. I know this is that I'm gonna girl, when really, authors were not sex, but what we're so excited you all are here and that you've come to join us, and we're so excited Christin Hanna is here and we're going to get our questions to her. So don't worry. Okay, she can hear us through my phone. So tonight probably noticed there's six of and diving into some season with our very favorite author and a good friend, the wonderful, amazing Christen Hannah. You all more prison already. You've more than twenty runaway that yourself international through the nightingale. Your plan with choir here. I need alcohol. Where... all so excited to have you. Nice to move you guys. RISTEE, Kristen, Christian and Chris, I don't think I've seen you in twenty five years. The first of I know we were both babies. Is Nice See. Just let me pause and say to night our featorite book fell Liberty Bay Book and washing stay, Christian's favorite stores, and we'll be telling a little bit more about the later com but for now just know that you can want me release from Liberty Bay books and they're already marked at ten percent off and the link will be posted on our friends and fiction page and somebody tonight is going to win a forty gift card from friends and fiction from Liberty Baby Books, and we'll talk to a little bit more about that. Okay, Kristen, now that you're with us, you know we started thing to walk together for cantemic, talktail. Now you sinnings with it's just been really difficult for everybody. You know, I mean Patty, and I've talked about this a bit, just being so far away from my kids, my grandkids. I was very lucky that for a lot of this I was finishing up my book that's coming out in two thousand and twenty one, the four wins. But since I've finished that book I've been at a little loose ends. So I kind of start looking for cocktail hour to start about thirty and just, you know, hope for the best. Maybe you could work on my next book for me. I could use some help. I mean, if not doing anything, to start asking the questions and I get to the first one because I'm the hostess. So, Christen, here's what I've been thinking about. The most recently seem to be big sweeping start. Is that delivered on your part? Do you just need a broader frame to in which to tell your stories? Well, you know, I've been doing it, obviously, for a long, long time, and I think more it's just been an evolution more than anything else. Of You know, I started out telling love stories primarily, and I did that for, I guess, about I don't know, fifteen years. About every seven years I seem to reinvent myself and I just came to a place where I wanted to tell a bigger story than I ever had before. And one thing about being in first coming from romance and then moving into women's fiction, it's really hard to be given a chance to break out because you're a woman writing women's stories for women, and they like to package you in a certain way and promote you in a certain way, and I just got to a point in my career, or an age, I guess, where I wanted to see if it was possible to to break that mold and do something else, and that's really where the nightingale came from. Breathing, and I follow up on that question. We're all have questions, but mine is it fits there. It does take courage to make that choice and I'm sure people warned you against it or told you the timing was wrong. And even when you made the choice to write the nightingale, one of the things that I thought was so interesting is with the great success of that book, you went in another direction with a great alone, which blew me away, by the way, and I just was curious about the...

...process of a people telling you don't do it. It's that time, that courage of that choice, but also what leads you to make the choice for the next story. That it what? What is that inspiring spark? So it was all very very deliberate and very very conscious, you know, sort of that evolution, and I had, from the very beginning of my romance career, been told that what I wanted to do wasn't going to work. I didn't write fast enough, I didn't write the kind of stories that were going to work in that format and I was fortunate in the early days to be with a really great editor at Ballentine who allowed me to sort of push the envelope a little bit on those things, you know. So I started in historical when I first went to a contemporary romance, I was, you know, warned against it. When I first went to women's fiction, I was warned against it. When I decided to write books on Speck, which I've done a lot throughout my career, I was always warned against it. So someone saying, Hey, don't do this, that just tells me I'm on the right track if I believe it. So once you're in, though, you have to be all in. So like, for example, when I started the nightingale and when, you know, full historical for the first time, I was coming off books that had been number one on the times very recently. So I just just Gott into number one and, you know, there was a lot of conversation about maybe this isn't the best time, push all that aside, but I truly believed that it was the only way for me to actually sell more books than I was selling, because I had sort of reached a place in women's fiction where I felt that I was as big as I could get and that the only way to change that paradigm was to write something else and to risk starting over. And I made a very conscious decision not to package it to my previous readers, not to sell it, to just do a clean break. I was lucky, I think, that a lot of them followed me anyway, but I was prepared to lose readers. I had to be, you know. So that was like the easiest of the decisions. And then in the year between sort of the Nightingale being submitted to my publisher and it coming out in the stores, actually it was almost eighteen months, I started to get this sense that the book was going to be successful. You know, people were reading it and they were telling my editor on my age and Oh, this is a good book, and that's when, I think, for the first time in my career, I got really scared. I thought, Oh, what if it actually works, then what? You know, I because I didn't have a follow up book. I hadn't like plotted out a career following that. So everyone said, you know, you need to write another World War Two book and solidify your audience. And my fear was that if I wrote another World War Two book, I would never write anything except the World War Two book. And so I decided to to write a book that I thought could not be compared to the nightingale. I was prepared, and I think even embraced the idea that the second book, by definition, would fail, that it absolutely had to the nightingales once in a lifetime kind of book. So I knew whatever I did, it was going to be less successful. So I just embrace...

...that and I decided to write S, you know, book about domestic violence with kind of a Thriller Angle, and I was shocked that as many people like that as they did very intense, you know, very intense books. So and but I don't know, it kind of served as like a palate cleanser because I realized that ultimately it wasn't about success anymore now than it had ever been. It was always about what I wanted to write and what I wanted to read. And you take this success when you get it and you take the failure when you get it and you just keep showing up. Yet that's a great answer. Thank you, Kristen. Very inspiring. Thank you, Mary, as I remember when you did it with Beach House. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, no one wanted to read about turtles. That's all. I we were wrong about where we are. That you know someone who has been in the business as long as you and we're both started up at the same roots. It's really beautiful to see your courage of your choices and and I admired very much. Christ idio. Have a question here. Yes, so, speaking of you, you're writing and making changes and bold, courageous choices. Is there anything that you can tell us about the four winds, because of course we're all dying to know a little more about it, and we know that all the friends and Fitch and listeners are too. Yes, interestingly enough, I sort of did it again. I decided to kind of reinvent again, and this is a big depression era book about one woman sort of struggle to keep her family together and to survive, and it's interesting. I was talking to Patti when I was on book tour about this. It never I mean I wrote it to be relevant because there's an issue of immigration and there's, you know, issues about environmental and climate changed and the things that are you know, we're in conversation three years ago when I started this, but this whole pandemic has sort of changed how I feel about the book and it just ends up being right now really, really relevant and it it actually gives me a lot of hope right now because it reminds me that sort of the strength and durability of humans and the human spirit it and the ability that we have to rise above these terrible times and not only survive ultimately, but FRY. And so, you know, my hope is obviously that that we can all come together a little bit more than we have and sort of look to the past and and learn from it. Yeah, very timely, very timely. The book sounds wonderful. So, Christen, I just have to start off by saying well, Ay, if I had a nickel for every time someone's like, Oh, I loved your book, the Nightingale, like the other Christen with an age, I would just see I never say I loved it too. It was a great one. Yeah, and I also have to say I write about World War Two and my first World War Two novel was in two thousand and twelve, but was said in world war to Paris and it wasn't really a thing people were doing yet. So I have to say thank you so much for opening up this genre that I love. I Din. I think you gave it a place in the conversation and in, you know, what people are loving, and so as someone who write in that genre, I just owe you a huge bit of gratitude to thank you for this. But I my question tonight is so for... one of the hardest things, particularly just coming from a journalism backgroun where I want to get everything right, is the idea of not just getting the big details right, but getting all the Little d tells right to and you do that, don't beautifully in the nightingale and again in the great alone, which I just thought was such an incredible book. You both the setting and the time period so perfectly, using details just expertly. Can you talk a little bit about how you do your research and how you use that to give you your such a sense of, you know, time and place and authenticity? Thank you so much. That's mean. I don't really feel that I opened anything up, but I think that what the Nightingale and all the light we cannot see and you know several of the books that just happened to sort of a rise that that moment just, I think, reminded people how much they love this era and how many stories there are. I mean, it's amazing to me how many remarkable stories there are, and so I guess thank you. And as far as the details, you know it's basically just I mean, you guys all know it. We've all been doing it for years. It's it's picking the detail that speaks to you and the I would say the biggest thing that I've learned from the nightingale and from the four winds that has been difficult and has been in this transition from what I used to write to what I'm writing now, is the difficulty in writing a historical novel that tries to get the details right and tries to get the issue use right and, you know, tries to have something to say historically but is still first and foremost a novel about characters, about women, about sisters, about friendship, because I find that when I've got a really big historical canvas and a lot of facts to deal with, you almost do stand in characters for a long time. It takes a long time and to remember that, that you're still a novelist writing about characters, not a historical novelist. So true, that makes sense. They have much. So, yeah, great, yeah, yeah, Daddy, did you already ask a question? I've lost track. I've been your no, no, so, Christian, it's so good to see you. We had such a good time talking about, you know, switching genres, what it means, using the details. And yet when we were together I wanted to ask this question, but the audience had so many questions. So many of your sweeping Sagas are about survival, right in the face of great tragedy or hardship. They're about women, they're about friendship or about sisterhood. And there's this quote in an Elizabeth strout novel. It's called my name is Lucy Barton. Have you read that? Yes, okay. Well, she writes about writers. She says you will only have one story and you'll write your one story many ways. Don't ever worry about story. You only have one. And I remember as talking and I jokingly said, Oh, I know, you know, I know you don't write from theme, and you said, Oh, yes, I did. So I wonder if that's true, that we have kind of one story and we just tell it in different pace. What do you can oh wow, you know that kind of it kind of leaves me speechless because I'm torn right down the middle with yes, because we all have things to say that we feel intrinsically are important and matter. And you know, no matter what you begin with, certain themes and ideas and characters reappear in your books over and over and over. And I personally am a very commercial, very mythic kind of person... movies and books and everything. So I like they're about survival because the states are so big and because that's something I think that we all share. But do I think I have one story? I mean, I hope not. I hope that we all can change and grow and you know, although I can tell you you know I want to write away a fantasy, some day it'll probably still feel like me. So who knows? You know, I just think it's such an interesting idea because I think we return as writers to the same themes kind of over and over, but I'm not positive we return to the same story over and over. But I just think it's it made me look at my own work and everybody else's work and say what do we touch on every time we write this story? I mean, I guess it depends on how you define story. Now, is story, pot is story? Theme? Is Story? Arc? Is Story Character? I mean, I'll tell you what, if I've been writing the same story for twenty five years, I should be better at it. And I agree. You know, I agree. You know you. I think we do have a maybe theme is probably the better word than story, that we something that we comes through our stories, no matter what's setting, what plot we have, and I think that's the voice of the author. You know, it's how can we not bring that out in our stories if it's something we believe in truly? So I think when we read your book, Christian, or certainly, I think, all of ours, you like to think that you can read a few pages and say, Oh, yeah, that's Christians Book. Yes, that's Patty's voice, it's the voice. Yeah, that's actually what I was thinking afterwards, because that's the question that I get you guys, probably we all get it most from beginning authors, beginning writers, is where's my voice? What's my voice? How do I develop my voice? And you think in the beginning that voice is about how you write and as you get older and you do this more and more, you understand that that voice is how you see the world and it's yes, it's the message that you're giving and and that is certainly recurring in most of us, because the voice is so fundamental to who we are. If we are, you're right. Thanks. Started behind. I think it's the hardest thing to find in the beginning. Yeah, thank you, and you emulate and you emulate and then you have to find your own. Okay, she's so great stuff, Christ thanks all. We want to remind you about supporting your local book sellers. It's a tough time for locally owned independent businesses everywhere and we always encourage people to shop small. But if you love books, all of us can do some good in the world by lending support to booksellers who are working really hard to stay in business. It's a good deed. Same time to get great new books to read. You get to keep the literary community thriving. 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...way, we marked a big mothstone tonight. We passed the four thousand followers marks. WHO's gonna who was going to pick the winner of the four thousand follower thing? It's just drawn randomly from one person who is in the group of four thousand followers. So you know, whenever we hit a milestone we want to reward everybody who's been with us all along. So it's somebody who's been with us. And we want to remind you to join our friends and fiction group on facebook. If you're not member already, please do that. You get all the lengths we remember from you mentioned tonight, and we're going to be giving more giveaways. So we have asked it's been our turn to ask questions and we want you all to do the same thing and we've chosen two questions that have been submitted on the website we want Christen to answer. So first off, Diane Coon mcgoldric is asking, I think, Kristen Hannah and by the way, we have an embargo on pay names after that. I know this is Christian. Couple are Mary's girl. I mean it's really funny, it really is. No more no, this is it for us and wants to know. And this one, I think, is for Christ and Hannah. Do you typically have just a single story in your head when you're writing, or are there often other stories in your head that are brewing and you put them on the back burner while you're working on the book at hand? Not only do I only have one while I'm working, I am hard pressed to find a second one one I need it. I am not one of those authors who like collect stories or thinks about you know, in fact, I'm right now. You know, I work for three years on the four winds and I'm done now and it's time to write another book and I literally have zero. So if anybody wants to send one and just let me out lucky. Oh, you may have opened a flug. You know, you don't know what you're asking it works for at least a weekend. I mean I just was interviewing Lisa and the woman that you know sent in the idea and said you should write a story about, you know, the lost friends. I'd see. You never know, you could find the diamond out there. Well, and she had just finished another book and the caning it in. Okay, Christian. Oh, another Christian. Christian. Okay, Christin Ridgeway, burgget the Christian. That's so funny. He wants to know which characters from your books are most like you. Christen Hannah, can you answer that briefly? And then the others are maybe some of us will take a crack at that too. Sure the character that is most like me consistently and the book that is most like my life is firefly lane, and I was kate, not poaly. I was they know the at home mom. I don't. I don't know if there's a character who's the most like me. I can tell you who the character I wish was the most like me, and that's joy, Davidman and Jesus Lewis, but I don't know if there's a character. How about Y'all? It's changes over the years. I think I would have said in the Beach House I was I loved, love, me, but she was more my mother, but I wanted to be like her. I wasn't sure. But I think, though, I'm more the daughter because I've been with her for fifteen, eighteen years and I've grown up with her, and so she's more like me and she's becoming the matriarch. So I get her, but is she really me? I come I think all my characters are a little bit like me, except the villains. No villains. I think it's interesting because I find that, just like... said, Mary Ellis, I think every character is a little bit us. I mean it's you have to get inside the head of your character right to be able to write them and write them with compassion and understanding. But I find I understand myself better with each new character I write. It's like it's almost like you're forced to do a little bit of a deep dive into an emotional side of yourself that you might not have otherwise considered. So I sort of look at my writing career is just a whole lot of free therapy. It's so true. I always say we're pretend psycholianalysts, so were psychoanalyze ourselves. I mean we have to in order to get those characters out of the page. I feel like at least Christie would be can you, whom I kind of agree with, Mary Alice, and then I feel like I put a little piece of myself into all of my characters. Finally, enough, like for feels like falling. I wrote it in two thousand and sixteen and now you know, it's out in two thousand and twenty, and so I had a four year old when I was writing it, but gray and the story has an eight year old son and she has like a blog that she like parlay into a business, kind of like I do. So of course everyone's like, Oh, you're gray, you're gray, and then I also get a lot of oh your caroline in the peach tree blove series, which is a little bit offensive because she is a little snarky, but he's like the character, she's like the one that's like that friend that you have the just says whatever they think and you're like a little jealous of that because you're like how wish I could just say whatever I thought like that care and I cannot do that. I am like such a people. Please are but I do get some of the comparison. But when I was writing peachtree glass, I strangely, sort of, like Mary Alice was saying, really related to Annesley, who is the mother of these three granddaughters, because she's kind of in this sandwich generation where she's taking care of all these different people. And both of will's parents passed away during the process of writing that series and so we were very much in the like caring for parents, caring for children, and so even though she was, you know, several decades older than I was, I felt like I was putting so much of my current story and to her story, which was sort of surprising. Yeah, I think all my characters have a little bit of my DNA. Conley Hawkins is the protagonist of my latest book, Hello Summer, and she's a newspaper reporter and I was, you know, long ago. That was my first career as a newspaper report. But you know, Conley's younger, she's she's more confrontational, she's more aggressive. I think she probably is the me that I wish I had been. I think I gave her. I gave her some superpowers that I didn't possess and then I gave her some personal problems that I didn't. Here we get back and forth to each other. Okay, now we're we going to take live questions? Yes, I'm waiting. Can I just ask Christian, are you excited about the movies coming out? Wow, this is big news. Yeah, we just just toss out that. You have two movies coming out in Netflix series, by the way. Yeah, it's pretty cool. When does the nightingale quote? Well, the Nightingale is December twenty one. Because of coronavirus, it got pushed back the year, and I think firefly lane is this fall on Netflix. That's cool. Can we look back book? Yes, to celebrate we should it. Can we have a big party and watch it all the kid come back and visit you guys again when I can get my audio working. Working out, gray, I have a good question that I really like. So Melissa sharpless wants to know how we come up with our character names, which I think is a kind of a good question. We have an answered before, have we? Hmm? Okay, you know, it's shockingly relevant, isn't it? I mean it's like if the name isn't right, the book just doesn't go forward.

A couple of times I have made mistakes and and named characters incorrectly and, you know, sort of come to a grinding hall and have to start over. So for me, I mean I often start with baby books. I assume other people do as well, and it's really sort of a combination of ethnicity and era and I guess just a name that that speaks to the character I think I'm trying to create. You know, I rehearse names for my characters and you know, I have more difficulties with the men. Yeah, yeah, to what the women are named. But sometimes, like I'll think to myself, okay, I need an asshole name. I'll think, oh, what about that guy that I dated, you know, back in eleven grade? But then he'll know it was him. And I've also I like obituaries. I pick names out of obituaries. So on my desk, in my desk story I just pulled it out. I kept all the programs for my kids graduations. I know because it has first last, you know, first medal and last names of, you know, fundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Penny'all, so always teach me so many things. This is so smart. I mean, I tell you, in Charleston you just go to the street names because they're all named after all Charles. So it's easy. Yep. I'll tell you something funny about so the book of last names, which my book that's coming in July, it's about document forgers and so their whole job basically is finding names for people. So good, by the way, it's so good. I'm on my chapter three and I like I started it like randomly in the middle of Afric and I was like, put it away, Christie, put it away, you have to go. You thank you, but you have to say that you're my friend, but thank you, but there it is. Right. I'll tell you something that the document forgers did that was interesting. There was a newspaper at the time called there's journalifist yell. That was the official record of all of official acts of the French government. So if you get married, if there was a naturalization, if somebody died, like, it was all recorded in there, and that's how a lot of forged names came to be, because they had to match up to official records, and so they would just pull them out of this and they would have like you know, they would know who they were married to or they would know when they were naturalized. And so for writing the book, a last name, some of the throwaway character names, just random characters who you see. Once I did the same thing and pulled them from the journalifist yell. I have a whole stack of them from one thousand nine hundred and forty. That was a really fun way to get names. I've never done that before. Yeah, really cool, it's fun. Okay, so we're gonna ask Kristin Hannah Christ and I know this is kind of off the cup, but do you have a writing tip you want to share? We all want to pick your brain. Give a secret. Well, with you guys, seems no. I'm sure you have the same toolbox and kid that I have and I'm sure that you've all learned the most important thing, which is the reason that we're all here, because we didn't give up and we committed to to get better with every single book that we did and we support our independent book stores and we read and we read and we read and and then, I think, like we said earlier, and then at some point you decide not to be afraid not to do what you're told, not to write what you're supposed to write, but to explore what it is that that you personally have to say. So I guess that's that's my big picture on you know, how to keep doing this. It's relative and it's not relatively easier. It's easier to write a book or two or three. I think...

...the the trick and the thing that that you have to work really hard at is to have a career at this, you know, to keep doing this year after year after year, as taste change, as covers change, is stories change, as the readership changes, as you change, and so you're constantly, I think, reinventing yourself just enough to sort of stay relevant. And and then, like I said, most importantly is never think you're good enough. I mean I never ever think that I am a good enough writer to pull off what I want to do. So I try something that stretches me just a little bit so that, I guess, keep being engaged. That's beautiful. Thank you. That's really beautiful tip. When you're gaged, or do you mean terrified? Well, you know, if you aren't terrified right, I'm not sure you're writing the best book that you could be writing, because it means you're not asking something of yourself that frightens you and you don't have to be, by the way, frightened every time. You don't have to stretch yourself. I tend to do the big stretch, the fall back. The big stretch, the fall back, because you need to sort of regroup and and understand what you've learned. But I do think it's important to be afraid a lot. Yeah, you all. I hope you know that you've just heard a master class. Nope, money for that. Okay, lesly beautiful. I just have to speak from my heart. That was so beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. It showed a lot of wisdom and experience. Ladies, do you all have any books? We only try to give a shout out to other authors and talk about what we're reading, especially debut authors. It's tough to be a debut author during a pandemic. You don't get the kind of attention, you don't get a book tour. Most a lot of debut authors don't get boors at all. So who's gone a debut novel? They want to talk about? Anybody? It's a good question. I think we were. You know what? I think? This week we so focused on getting up and running with a starting our website and finalizing our logo, and I think we all lost our minds with like the rest of the episode. And Mary, Mary Kate, May I just add the way you are keeping us all together tonight, despite the problems like writing, you are I'm just bowing down to you, because you have kept our crazy train on the tracks. The secret, the secret for writing, is all the same as the secret of friends and fiction. You just have to be a little terrified everyone. Day It all comes together. Gonna get it done, gonna get it done. It's like this in the book, when you get to the SAGGY middle and you know it's never going to work out. That's as I want to talk about the first debut novel, and it's by Christine that plancy. It's called the second home. I haven't gotten it yet, but I'm excited about reading it, and so that's when I think that it sounds great and I'm supposed to have it any minute now. Who Else, kristen? What are you reading? Christ and Hannah? Actually, I am. I'm right now. I'm finally reading rules of civility I loved, loved, loved gentleman in Moscow, and so I just started rules of civility and I'm like, it's just beautiful. And I did want to say Mary Kaide. There's a debut novel called Ghosts of Harvard. Have you guys heard of that? It's a little order, Huh. Now our named completely escabsman. Anyway. That's why I think people should look for that. They'll really like Francesca Sarah Tella. She's Lisa Scottlini's daughter her and she's a friend. She Really Oh, for Heaven's say, Calne's daughter, Francesca Saratola, goes to harbor. Okay, fine, so now I have to hurry Herry, hurry up. Thank you, Christen, for joining US tonight. Remember, you can pick up a great alone along with all of our new releases,... Liberty Day Liberty Bay books today at ten percent off. You do not need a coupon code and that will enter you to win the forty gift card, which we're going to get rid of. I apparently am going to announce the winner of that tonight. It's Kellie Bolan from Germantown, Ohio. Congratulations. You know, Ellie, and if you are. Hope you're watching tonight. You win a forty dollar gift card now from Liberty Bay books and you will contact them and they will mail your Gift Card to you. And so I cannot believe we're almost right on time. I'm I'm never on time for anything in my whole ladies, do we have any more wait? I think Mary Alice has something she would she would like to talk about. All right, but next week we have annoletive again. I Know Christine. You know her. She's been around as long as we have Debbie Maycommer, and she's she's been around forever and she's very excited to join us and she'll be coming US next Wednesday at seven o'clock and will have a wonderful time together talking. We have an amazing group of authors coming this summer and the best part is they're friends and I think Christen, it's so good to see you again, friend, and it's it's welcome and thank you for coming. Yes, thank you so thank you so so much for inviting me. I'm sorry that I have provided technical difficulties and maybe you can invite me back at the end of the summer and I will fun you better. N Christen. By bye, everybody. Don't forget to check in with us. Will be on the friends and fiction and we'll see you next Wednesday night, same time, same place, but by for coming, everybody. Everybody. Hi, you've been listening to the friends and fiction podcast. Be Sure to subscribe to the friends and fiction podcast wherever you listen and, if you're enjoying it, leave a review. You can find the friends and fiction authors at www and fictioncom, as well as on the facebook group page friends and fiction. Come back soon. 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