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Episode 4 · 1 year ago

Friends and Fiction with Lisa Wingate

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Lisa Wingate joins the Friends & Fiction crew to talk about the process of researching and writing her latest bestseller THE BOOK OF LOST FRIENDS--and the surprising way the story came to her. https://lisawingate.com

Weltome to friends and fiction by bestselling authors, endless stories. Friends infiction is a podtast withfive best selling novels, whose common love of reading writing and independentbookstores bound them, together with chess author interviews and fascinatinginsider talk about publishing and writing these friends discusse thebooks, they've written the books they're reading now and the art ofstorytelling. If you love books and you're curious about the writing, worldyou're in the right place, bestselling novels Mary K, AndelsCristen, Harmel Christ, Woodson Harvey Patty Callahan Henry and Mary AlicMonroe, our five long time, friends with more than eighty published booksto their credit at the start of the pandemic, they gottogether for a virtual happy hour to talk about their books, tyour favorite,bookstores, writing, reeding and publishing in this new uncharteredterritory. They're still talking and they' added, fascinating discussionswith other best selling novels so joined them lie on their friends andfiction. Facefo Blue Page every Wednesday at seven PM, eastern orlisten, and you later at your leisure welcome. This is friends in fiction.Five vesselling novelists endless stories. We are five writers andfriends whose common love of reading writing and independent bookstoresbinds us together, along with some secrets. We won't tell Ana Ono. This is our weekly friends. Ind ficionshow tonight is actually our tenth show. I I can't believe it what started asjust a zoon cocktail party for friends who missed each other has beentransformed into this. So I am hat of ally and Henry, and I am hostingtonight my latest historical novel is called becoming misess Lewis and mylatest contemporary is called the favorite daughter and, as you can see,we are missing one of our POSSI tonight. Christy wodson Harvey isn't heretonight, but she will be back next week and we already miss her like crazy, butladies go round and introduce yourselves and tell us your lady spokeand then we'll get going. I'm Mary K, Andrews and my en book is Hello Summer,which came out Mayfifth, I'm cristinarbell. My latest is the book oflost names not to be confused with the book of last friends, which is comingin July at about a month. Hi, I'm Maryallismonroe and my recent novel ison Otian Boulevard, and this is friends ind fiction tonight. As you can see, wehave a new face among us and we are so thrilled to be hosting our dearfriendly Sowingate, W camer for a little bit and saying,don't tell us anything more, so you can tell Ooa Gotna so lisaand I publishedour debut novels, not only with the same publishing house ot with the sameeditor, Ellen Edwards back at New American library in the early twothousand years, and we have been talking publishing, writing stories,family kids, grandkids, moving for a really long while and when I saytalking, I also mean whining and cafetching and Si an brain storming.We've been roommates, we shared hotels when shared houses beteen through a lot,so hey woulda, throw you wor right, O Vo Carso. Let me tell you about ourfriendly, so Lisa writes most of her novels at home in Texas, althoughtonight she is in Colorado where she is part of what she calls and I love this-The windgate clan of story towers. I think that sounds like the title of abook. The WINGAD clan of story tellers S, the Number One New York cimes bestselling author. Before we were yours which stayed on the best cellar listfor fifty four weeks, fifty four weeks and sold over twomillion copies and her new book, the Book of lost friends came out just lastmonth, which is not, as we said, to be confused with Ucloven Iksin, her mouthbut utlots leames. It comes out on July. Twenty First Lisaa has offered morethan thirty novels and coatered and nonfiction book based on before we wereyours called before and after with Judy Christi, I could list all of her awards,which are so many that we wouldn't have time to ask questions and we wouldn'thave time to chat with her and we want to hear her and we went to hear herwriting tip. So just believe me. She has loads of awards and let me tell youthat if you have a question for Lisa Post it during this chat on our friendsand fiction, pase baseball page, if you see under this video, you can post aquestion and will be pulling a few live...

...questions in a little bit, but beforewe get really started. I also want to remind all of us that the reason we gotstarted on this entevor and that's our love for indy book stores. As you allknow, each of us that friends and fiction are passionately supportive ofindependent booksellers. Each week we highlight one INDE and tonight it is inmy hometown. It is thank you books in Birmingham Alabama. They opened rightbefore cove, it hits and they have been so supportive in our community and theyare graciously giving you ten percent off tonight on our books. So the linkto the bookstore is posted on our friends in fiction page, so Lisa WelkayCom, O. Why did you were coming? That's sogood! Thank you. I miss all of you but m. This is the next best thing right,Witou, tehugs! A first stop. I want to ask you what you we've all talked forten episodes now about what we've been doing during the pandamic. What haveyou been doing during this crazy pandemic time? Oh Wow um, you know alot of it for me has been because we hit right on the cuss of the shut down,dispook, rearlease April, seventh and so m. You know, Midmarchi was supposedto be flying around for preevents and to sign copies that would be sent outto the bookstores and you know, and then they started kind of saying youknow maybe maybe don't travel and you know, and then it was t the shutdownhapin in so we've mostly been scrambling just trying to figure outhow to younavigate Um all the virtual technology. You know how do you cancelan entire book? Toher canceled airline tickets? canceld. You know everythingthat was supposed to happen. Um and and also you know h. How did how tonavigate that? My husband is teaches physics and chemistry, so he's beenteaching online, so we sort of have to do mores hat the house has to teach. I need to sume with a group or whatever,and so it's it's just been, but the greatthing about it m. There were so many people who came to the virtual events.Ne Said you know, I your bookdooer wasn't coming anywhere near me. I neverwould hive never gotten to Youknowgo see so I mean for every curse, there'sa blessing. I think- and you know so certainly this has not been how weplanned on twenty twenty starting out at all. But you know for all thosecanceled planes I did get to meet virtually long distance, a lot ofpeople I wouldn't have gotten too otherwise- opoxitive, that's very coye.It's nice to hear the positives and- and we've noticed too, because weprobably wouldn't get to see each other once a week. If we hadn't learned howto hang out like this in a new and different way, that doesn't mean we dot want the old bag 'cause we do, but there is not a silver laten. But,ladies, I want to ask you: What have you been up to all week and I actuallykind o want to hit on because we've been get writing together. I want tohit on you know: We've been months now you know kind of locked down. None ofUS SOM book tour, all O us losing booktour. What kept you on the pagethis week? Is it easier now than it was when we first started. You know firststarted hanging out together, tell me about your weakend and how you've beendoing that. I want to hear well you and Mary Cav and Whip Snapin the whip that you two. Thank you I mean I don't knowthe two of you started it, and that means at seven o'clock in the morningyoall have been getting on and starting to write n. When I found that I saidHell, can I join too, and so I enjoy Nothn we're all on it Ar Meit's made adifference. Thank young guys. Really, it really has. I was getting sostressed out 'cause, I mean my book dodlines in November, but I wasn'treally. I was just inching every week, a little. You know less far than Ineeded to be getting and it was stressing me out every day like it wasmaking me less of a good mom to my son. Unless of a good wife to my husband andyou know, 'cause, it was always on my mind. I have been like the best versionof myself all three week days this week, 'cause I've joined you every Mornin andI've gotten those words out to thank you not just for helping me get thewords of the page, but for making me a better human. That's all I e an meanter come up with the idea, Il Lot Mary Kay, Tellis, Pat and I hadebeen doing. We call it writing sprints and basically, you just text somebodyusually in the morning and say: Hey: Let's do a sprint and so it's sort oflike free writing. You just let go move...

...your hands across the keyboard and youknow I always have a goal. It's at least five hundred words, but, as we'vebeen doing, patic we've been doing it. What seventeen days now in a roomgteendays, yeah, eighteen or eighteen days, and so it's six am where Patiis it. Imean it's seven, but it helps me M. I finally have my head in this book,which is due to my editor in October, and I hadn't been able to get my headin the book. So it's been great for me and when we first did it the firstcouple of times we actually did it in the afternoon. We were texing aboutsomething else, and you said: Let's do a sprint a said, ready go and then itjust kind of inged towards morning and then one day I had to get up early andsomehow that STOPP I' want to change that O othen. I love as early Doyes, I'm amorning rider Bo latly. I've been like stipping the coffee. I think this wholecoden things just really blew my schedule off. I yeah the attention, butthis just got us back on it. ysorry be how about you Lisa. Do you wrate betterin the morning or better in the afternoon or or what m better in theafternoon? But it's fun. Listening to you guys talk, because when it was thebook of Lost Friends, kind of was written in the chaos, it wasn't goingto be my next book and then we changed plans, and so anyway, it was I neededto get written and it was written in the chaos of of everything thathappened with before we were yours and lots of travel and all that, but JudyChristi and I started doing writing Springsen. I was never a person whothought that was something that you know that that it would be useful to meat all and she suggested it one day and and we started it and the whole book ofVoss friends was really written on. I was riting Forcli everyday we'd havewe'd meet in the morning at a certain time. When we talk about where we wereand 'll be, like. Okay go right, I'll check back in with you at noon, andthen we eat lunch, and then you know so yeah I get it completely. Think of it give us the UM dreadedElevator Pitch Onos, beover, yeah and Theyaran theirbook of Loll e Terens Um. We O F color back at is Ino onscreen, but anyway youcan read it backwards. So Yeah I love this cover. I think itth. The story is about a very um kind of an honesty journey through throughfrom South Louisiana to Texas, an historical part in eighteen, seventyfive. So this reminded me of those old. You know you go into some old housethat the decorations have been the same minute since about the turn of thecentury, and there are those o Utopia, western scene paintings. That's what this reminded me of. So Ithought it was kind of perfect d. So the book of Lost Friends, I don'texactly have an elevator pitch for it's Astory, inspired by the real life lostfriends ads, which I had never heard of I'll. Tell you later how I came to hearabout them? U, I love those little pieces of history that I didn't knowabout t and they just blow my mind right, open the boss, friend's ads werewritten in the years after the civil war, a through the early nineteenhundreds and what they were were the desperate letters to the editor offamilies. Who've been separated during slavery, hoping that through theseadvertisements, they might find news of their family members, many of whom theyhadn't seen in decades, and so that's the the little historical nugget behindthis story, and we've talked about your decision toright before we were yours and then the decision to write the book of LostFriends- and you told me how both and so I'm going to let you talk about whatyou just said that you, you told me how both of those ideas came to you, and Iknow that all of us get the question. Where did you come up with that? Whatmade you want to write about that, and I think the story for both of those isreally interesting. So tell us how both before weors and the book of lostfriends came to you, because I think it's fascinating so completely by accident. I don't knowabout all of you, but if I went looking for the nuggets, I think I would neverfind him. I always come across them when I think I'm looking for somethingelse. Ypbu before we were yours, I was actually just up late on deadline withanother book and I had left the T v playing but turned the sound off 'cause. I knowI was going to pull it allnighter and you know it's just ' some company inthe room and but in the middle of the night, this episode of Discovery,Chantel, steadly women came on and I looked up and I saw this Um Mansion House with all these babyvacinets in it, and I thought what an what is this you know and of course Iturned it on and watched, and I it was the story of Georgia Tan and thesecorrupt orphanages in Memphis, from...

...about the twenties Throgh, the fiftiesand her adoptions for profit business andhow she made millions of dollars. Doing it and how a lot of some of the kidswere orphans, but a lot of them, she just stole from Foor families. So youknow it was fascinated. I thought: how does someone get away with his? Howdoes it go on for decades? Why didn't somebody stop it? So you know when you're curious, youknow when you're curious, then you dig it and you learn more and you thinkwhat was it like to live this? The book of Lost Friends, the the historicallost friends ads, which I had also never heard of I've, never trippedacross them will doing other Internet research or anything like that, but areader rode to me. I was in a committed relationship with another manastirt Mide Book and, and I had finished the rough draftof it before I went on tour with before we were your, so it was like a shoe inI just needed to edit it and turn it in you know in time, but a reader rode tome. I was procrastinating one afternoon on the porchchecking, email and m thiswoman in New Orleans, Diane Plochet, who was volunteering for the historicNew Orleans collection, museum, wrote to me, and she said I just finishedbefore we were yours and it reminds me of some work, I'm doing for the museum,and I just thought you might like to know about it and to the bottom of theemail she told me she was entering these old ads in a database forgenealogists and historians, et Cetera, and these ads have been gathered fromall over the place: UN various archives at universities, the back files oflibraries just wherever something might survive, that's thatled and she hadatached a few ads and they were these amazing stories of these families whohad been separated Um all those years ago, and their stories have been buried in thesefile cabinets and most of these people were probably um their graves. Many ofe, their graves are probably unmarked. It's enough generations back that manyof the families those stories die out over time. These people's names aregone from the earth and then they bubble back up in these old newsprint blotchy. You know lateeighteen, seighteen seventis on Um ads that are just it's like thesepeople rise from the grave and tell their stories in their own voices, andI was fascinated I went to the database and just fell down the well ofReadingyo all these stories of all these families, whose you know like Isaid many of these families Um their stories are gone from the Earth,and yet here they are on the Internet, something thoy never could e imaginedin those days. Well I mean I remember you telling methat, and it being you know I was like, but you have ' finished manuscript andIM, not oingwhat. Are you doing and aters than to be de to Ge out of sideto make that encourageous to set that aside at is its brave Christ? What DYOU WANT TO ASK INOW! You have a great question. Yes, this is kind of slightlygoing off in a different track. No, I know all these other. Ladies Know, yout. This is really your first time our first time meeting face to face, but Iwill tell you I already knew you were like the nicest human on the planet,because when, when the book lost friends came out, we were all sort oftrying to get our footing under USS and trying to figure out how we were goingto promote our books that had just come out or were just about to come out. Um,you not only launched a successful book, but you found a way to use yourplatform for good by starting the read together, feed together challenge toraise thousands of dollars for local food banks. Can you talk a little bitabout that way, decided to do that kind of what you're able to do with it andin general, what you think our opportunity is as authors to do, somegood in the world sure t is so feeding and fobanks hasbeen a passion of mine for quite a few years, Um for a few different reasons,one of them just being that when my kids were swall, we moved to smalltowns, and you know I grew up in the suburb. So everybody's about, like you,they're about at your income level, they live about like you, do theirparents do jobs that are Kindo like your parents' jobs, but a small town isa microcosm of society and all living there very close- and you know, beganto be aware if a teach Sunday school on Wednesday nights, when my kids werelittle and we quickly it Qi. I quickly startedseeing kids stuffsnacks in their pockets. Six and seven year olds grab ayounger brother, a sister by the hand and bring them because there was goingto be food there and, and you know, people who would be nice to them andand let them make crafts and whatever and Um. So you know kind of that'swhere I became aware of the fact that there were kids in our community andthe more I got involved with the schools. You know you hear schoolbustdrivers who are keeping snacks on the bus, because kids are hungry andteachers who are keeping little bebbies...

...in the file cabinet or whatever youknow, fignutons or whatever's cheap, so they'll have something for kids who areshowing up hungry and so Um. Then one co et hit. U I it. It became very clear, very earlyon that a lot of people were going hungry and on a little jacket with myhusband, we past Um this just out in the wilds of Oklahoma.We pass this a church out in the country, and cars were just lined uplike a line at disneyworld snaking, snaking snaking sneaking- and I likedat my husband D, said: Tatmust be the biggest funeral ever and the policerapul out on the highway so that nobody would Brenk into each other. As youknow, and I mean there are hundreds of cars- it's about ninety five degrees,so you these people are sitting out in the heat and- and you know I said whatin the world do you think they're doing? 'cause Tis is Durin cobed and Um, so I couldn't stand. I looked it up.There had been an advertisement that chocolate of food was coming to be distributed and Irgot all thosepeople from everywhere out in the rural southern Oklahoma middle of nowheremore therefore, and so all of that kind of birthd Um. The idea to do this readtogether, feed together to just celebrate books, but also M, do alittle good with it and and it was it was lots of fun, and you know we shareda lot of stories that every day the readers would come and share their ownstories on the facebook page and somebody would win a thousand dollarsfor their food bang and the little gifts are too get head. If wel Hav somefun with and it was, it was tons of fun. That's really great woul just buy oneof the dotable things to deal with your platform. I mean that's incredible: UYou were in a position to do that and you decided to use it for good. I justthink that that speaks viams about you. It made releasing the book a lot morefun, I mean Wayou know I did a LO understands it. It transcends ybut yeahit just made it it just made it something we were all doing together.You know we were all sharing, be a topic each day and all the readers weresharing their stories about a family, Airloom or whatever. The topic was- andyou know that was the worst time of the cove thing- were justreally felt. Like anything terrible could happen, youknow and just being able to get together and share stories and and dosomething good made. It all feel a little better. I think Yo Kn. Itreminds me that the character wis, the teacher in the book of Lost FriendsShe's got hungry students but shewine. She doesn't have that much herself, but she digs deep and and feeds thesehungry. Kids reminds me that so many teachers find themselves in thatposition, and so many teachers take parts of their. You know in most states,not great salaries in the first place and spend them on school supplies onfood on things that kids need- and you know they shouldn't have to what theydo- they're Heuros, they really are, theyare yeah, Marylas wet. You Wan ask I I'm going to read a quote. You know,but this is Fronlia is from the book of Lost Friends. In your note, when you'retalking about dialect- and you say- and I really loved it in a fractured worldwhere sensitivities related to race, economic class and geographicaldialects run the Gammot, the retailing of history has quite honestly become achallenge, and I thought that was such an interesting point, especially rightnow, because we're seeing you know a lot of discussion of history and thesensitivities and I'm curious because you're writing historicals, but I thinkit might even be more true for a contemporary. Do you have anytrepidation when Youwhen you look at Okain writing a book using a dialect ora different economic class or a cultural class, or even regarding color,I mean how is this for all of us acts? I think it's a really interestingquestion as an author today, the bit of fear or trepidation or caution. We have,as we begin writing about a group, not our own Y. I think that's not just in writing.Um. I I think everybody just in talking just in having the conversations Ithink people feel like they don't know what to say. You know they don't wantto say the wrong thing, they're, not sure. What's, okay, to say and what'snot, it is a little easier with historicals.I will say because any story, I don't do a lot of reading history books. Idon't really want to learn history filter through the modern luns of ahistorian or a university professor or...

...someone who studies that subject Um Ireally tend to. I want to go back to the original voice of is so andhistoricals Yo. I want to hear the voices of lived experience. I want toread things that were written in the time period by the people who lived it.I want to get an ide of of just the cadence of their language and the wordsthey used and the things they thought about and referred to, and so you knowin Hanny's case that was tons of th the PA slave narratives, where the W Pwriters went out and interviewed the last people who had experienced slaveryand during the Great Depression you know the last survivors of slavery wereinterviewed, and so there were hundreds of those Um, the lost friends. ASSthemselves, which of course, are the real stories of these people and atNarratives Wrigten Ana time so historical. I think it's a littleeasier because you can go back to the authentic voices and you can kind ofkeep at that until you feel like Um. You have kind of a grasp of what thelives of people were like then contemporary is harder. Um, you know D, I mean, I think it's just aneedleworld trying to thread how how do we write stories that are diverse, butyou know in a world that that doesn't know what to do with that. Sometimes-and I think ultimately, all you can do is is right. The best story you can andto speak out of love, and you really can't control how people receive it,but you know my feeling is. I think, because I grew up you o before the fallof the Soviet Union, so I grew up knowing that right on the other side ofthe world. There was this place where people were being told what they couldimagine where they could take their imaginations, what they could read whatthey could write, and so you know that makes me phrisonis like wll. Let thewriters write, let the readers read: Let's not try to control wath someoneelse not going W as long as we're, not in the realm of of hatespeech or thingsthat do damage. I just feel, like you know that I don't feel like we shouldcontrol where other people can take their imaginations. That was a greatanswer. Thank you, mmiss, Mary Kay, you know you touched on this a little bitearlier, Lisa when you said that you had been in a committed, Relationshi, a script, and I wondered about thatbefore you talked about that. How does that? How does that work with Um with your process? Do you Um? I I know everybody's world is different.I mean I come up with the story idea and I go back and forth with my editorand my agent and then I start the process and I write well. How far longdo you get before you decide? This book isn't Goodtin it. You know, I still love the other bookand I will go back and you know do it, but when this piece of historycame along, I just could see the parallels. You know it's abal separatedfamilies. It's about parents wondering if they'll ever see their childrenagain children wondering if they'll ever see their parents again, and youknow I think it's so easy to look back at history and, like you, walk throughan old graveyard and you see these families who lost child after childafter child after child Young- and you just think did anybody survive thatpeople must have been made of different stuff back then. But you know the human things theydon't change. The human things are. What ties us all together, an that loveof family, that need to know your history that need to know your people.You know that that's the tightthat's, the bond we have that makes us all thesame. I think- and so I just fell in love with this piece of history. Ithink because of the common threads you o between the two stories. Have youever done that before have you ever really literally shifted gears and said,wait? No, I this. This story has grabbed me and- and I got to see whereit takes me, Um sort of I had started doing when I throt before were yours. Ihad started doing the research, an ID of trying to put together in my head adifferent story that youavalways have this idea drawer. You guys probably dotoo full of things you might write about, and so I there was another one Iwas working on and I just you know sometimes think it just anidea. Just isn't jelling for you. You can't quite get it toform into story.The characters aren't coming to life for you, and so I I pited it andthought I think I'm going to write this. This M story about the orphanages andyou know Memphis, and this woman in Memphis, who stole it, stole all thechildren and adopted them out and so before yours was going to be somethingelse, and then it wasn't. That's amazing. Did you have that underdeadline or did Y? Were you on Speck so that you can say he I'm not going to dothis I'n Goin to stretch and do something else? That was my first bookin so that's book, numer thirty and...

...before wereyours is, and at that timeI'd been writing publishing about eighteen years. I think something likethat. ECAUSE I had little bitty kids. When I had babies, babies. I would putbabies in the crib and run and write for an hour, dor notline. You know, and and now I have big hairy, leggedmanchildren with with children their own Soso it. I had not written a book offcontract since my very first one back when I had babies and I had changed agents and my agents.You know we discussed ideas and she was like great write. The manustript andyou know it was scary, but it was the mostwonderful thing to write it m, not knowing where it was going kind of withno other Voi. I always tell people your first book. That's how you write it. You write it.You don't know where it's going to go. You don't know who's going to publishit. You don't know if it will be published, you don't know who theeditor will be. It's just you you're, not thinking Wellyou know it an reallydoesn't like cats and I'm sure, or whatever you know, and so it was sort of thatkind of freedom, because I didn't know where it was going to go. I didn't knowwho was going to publish it. I didn't know who was going to edit it, but itwas just me and the book, and that was was nice and Lokorn. A Beautiful Baby,yeah everyone now at is time for a patty commercial break sther mind allof you areabout our bookstore of the week Soebod y get their glass of wine.Why I take a second. This is time for all locally owned businesses and aspeople who love books, all of us can do some good in the world by lending a bitof support to the booksellers who are really working hard to sta in businessand some of them just aren't so each book you buy it in Indy is a good deedand at the same time you get some great books to read. Plus you get to keep theliterary community ieus thriving it isn when when when so, if you're interestedin picking up any of our releases, Mary Alis is on Ocean Bouvard Christi Howillbe back next week feels like falling my becoming msss Lewis, Christien'supcoming book, the Book of Lost Names, Mary Cay, Halo, summer or Lisas. Thebook of Lost Friends Take Advantage of the great ten percent discount atthankee books in Bermigam, and the link is on the profile. So now that theFOROF US had had a chance to ask Leao some questions- and I know we couldkeep doing this for good words, I mean I can feel questions bubbling UPO Caiin e in hold y. I know it's like W, but but we promise our amazing memberswe'll PUK questions from them. So the first one that I polled from people whowrote questions last week is from a woman named Stephanie Brown, and shesaid I love Ou authors as in form as well as entertained before we were.Yours also had a side story of coaling cancer. I think it's wonderful thatauthors do that in a story. Are there any causes or conditions near endear toyour heart that you'd like to share with readers- and I know you mentionednohe feed and read, but is there anything else that you've purposelystuck in a book because it's a Cause Mer to your heart? Oh golly? I couldprobably almost name one from every book: Oho, okay, yeah, they're theyre,you know. Sometimes they come out of the researchas you're trying to get a hold of your storie. You come across somethingsometimes they come out of life. You know a lot of hem for me are kids inyouth and mentoring and kids, who don't have all the advantages and what we cando for them and know kids, who are foster care and what they need from us,and a lot of that just comes from working with different organizations inthe community and organizations that feed organizations that mentor andworking with a lot of kids. You know you can't aspire to what you've neverseen and if a kid never ever has the chance to see that there hat there is adifferent way to do things that there is some other way to live. They can'tthey don't even have a chance to aspire to something different, and so you know,kids are probably my biggest fashion, just because being a mom was myfavorite job and being a mom in small towns brought a lot of temporary kidsinto our homes, and we were involved in a lot with a lot of of young kids,little kids and then bigger kids, because that all grows as your kidsgrow. Amazing Maryous. I think you pulled onefor I nou it. I it's sort of a surprise. It's come someone by the name of K,Moserwhich, I believe you know she's known you, since two thousand a and oneand she says she's been so excited to watch the last two books are so muchmore than entertaining stories. They...

...have redealed injustices of the past.So her question is: Is this new trend in your writing? This investigatedreporting of the past here to stay yeah, I think so um I I really do love working aroundpieces of history, d, sort of always done it, but when the mix of timeframes became kind of more of a thing, I think it really lit a fire for me,because I love that idea of learning something from history. You knowhistory teaches as so many things, and you know not just the lessons, but itteaches us that people, because we're in a tough time right now, one of thelessons to be learned from history. People before US went through toughtimes and they came past it. I neiver will forget after Nquick Tory afternine eleven. I went to pick my kids up from school that afternoon and I passedby the little bally studio and there were little. The parents were in a knottalking to Falli the end of the world. You all remember: m, and parents werein a not on the sidewalk talking and there were thus three little girlstwirling in their two ties down the sidewalk and my first thought was: theyshouldn't be doing that noght today, you know when all this terrible stuffwas happened. These girls shouldn't be dancing on the sidewalk, and then Iremembered my grandmother telling me about Pearl Harbor Day and when theyheard it come over the radio and she heard her children out in the yard andshe thought they shouldn't be. You know yell an running and playing when thisterrible thing has happened, and she told me I got as far as the door and Ijust stodthere and looked at my kids and thought. That's the only thingright about today. Yean know that story was just that I ba little piece of mygirmother's sister, who was just what I needed in that moment because at Ni youknow my grandmother went through something like this and you know continued on with life formany years afterward- and you know this is a bad day, but it's not the end ofeverything. That's Gran, it is inspiring. I havethose chills you get on the back of your neyea o I tas Ro Yeah Cath, youwere gmrk. You were going to pull a couple of TEET mife eted for US yeah. Idon't know who answered ask this question, but she wants to know whathas the quarantine strengthened in you. That's a great question. What the quarantine has strengthened inme. I think. Well, one thing is when you can't have it you miss it. No, youknow just the need to get together with friends to make time for tha coffee tomake time for that trip to the beach together. You know all those things wecan't do. You realize the value of those I think and M, and then I thinkfor me just making time to Um there's a long there's a long Dutch word for itthat I C T has a million balles. I couldn't pronounce IT IN O. Think of itright now, but it means Um walking in the wind or walking with the wind orout blowing, and it's a destresser O K ow just toget out when it's windy and walk and let the Wind Comeb your hair and be outin nature and an that's one of the things that it has strengthened for meis the realization that you need to step away and do the things,but just heal your spirit of the business of the screen. Time of thecrazy amount of communication we have these days, so I think that's wh tthats the thing that has strengthened in me s had the importance of thosethings. It's awetome is there another one Mary Kay Um? This is a businessquestion. Somebody asked what causes a change of agents or editors, Oh wow, well, change of editors is isusually is mea. The change of Publishing House you know are going toa different publishing house, so that means a different editor WHO's. At thatnew publishing house change of agents Um, you know it happens. I none of minefell in love and moved to England. You know t never know you never know. What's going to cause achange of agents, sometimes it's 'cause you're going in a little differentbusiness direction. You know so it varies, and sometimes it's just youknow people liking it to like a marriage. I mean you just need someonethat you really are able to work well with at that Pointin your career inthat point in your life and with the stories that you're writing at thattime, and so you know, I think, Um just trying to get to that somphatico placewhere you both are working toward the same thing, do sometimes you're justnot there, and so you change agents. Sometimes you don't. You know early inyour career lots of times. You don't...

...have that choice, You'e, not GE dre.You know you're lucky, you feel like you're lucky to have found an agent. Itwill take you on and when that agent places your book with the Editor Lotsof times when you're early in your career, you just say: Oh okay. Well,that's! Yes, I'm so thankful, but then later on, as you goi as your careerprogresses. Hopefully, you do have some choice on those kinds of things I thinkand T en. Sometimes I agree with you and sometimes you you say yes and youmake a mistake. It's sort f. You know it is sort of like a divorce, butsometimes it's or Youe at a different place. Like you said, and it's IT'S O.I always say if you haven't take your time, if you can to choose an agentbecause choosing TNO agent, that's not right, for you could set you back true yeah, true. That is true, okay, sothis is always my favorite part, an every Friende and fiction episode. Wetry to give you a writing tip and I love hearing from all our five FabPosse, but from the guests it's just been incredible. So tonight we thoughtyou might want to hear words of wisdom from our friend Lisa, so Lisa somebodyasks you. What is your favorite writing tip? What do you tell them? Okay, sofor me Um, I stumbled through my first couple books and th. The second onegoodholl road was kind of the closest to a scrap and rewrite that I ever had'cause. Everybody knows second books but Wen. Her second book is hard towrite anyway, as I was doing the rewrite onthat. I stumbled into a screen writing class by accident and the only at aconference and by the time I realized I was in the wrong conference room. Thedoor was on the other end of the room and it would have been embarrassing toget up and LEAV. I said there and I listened to this screen riding class onthree act structure, which is tee a lots of versions of threact structure,and you know it in your head, because you know how everything from fairytales to novels to movies are formulated, but for me, until someone laid it out forme Um, when this guy laid out three act structure and how it looks I mean itjust turned the light on in my head 'cause, I'm I'm not a plotter and aplanner, but it gives me the bones of the story, so I can hang the flesh onit. As I get, and so that thre nowing treex structure and taking, if you wantto know more about how I do it, it's onl, my websites, do youcan go there and look at the writing tips but sit down with that watch, some mobesand analyze out how they've done the THREEAC structure. For me, that was themost helpful of everything I've ever learned about writing. That, for me,was the most helpful thing, great tip noand when she did herwriting fit this so sonhatico she tolkd about how she took books and took themapart, like that and Yas o. that's really symthatico. Also yll whant t thepeople who really excel am doing that is Disney anyway, is NA animation,while they've got it down, they've got to clean the motivations of thecharacters, Ro Studie, Disney, Cartu or O my incandidations Yeh. They not inAdo, absolutely O. I taught I taught it h. You know little class in it foryears afterward and I always told people get the Disney movies out e Litt,find it exactly ICLEAN. So yes, and you cry every it's single time- we have afew announcements tonight, so Mary Ky want to start us off. Yes, you know we started out doing friendsin viction ten weeks ago. We did not know what we were doing. O we o yeahhte be doing, is gliding our friends and having agood time, we went to face bolive and it startedgrowing so fast. We we are rushing. You know running as fast as we can keep upwith it, so you might have noticed we breeze right past eight thousandmembers this week we are so thrilled about so to celebrate. That moment,we'd like to give away two forty dollar gift card to two lucky friends andfiction members, and because we are all very much right now in support of themovement in publishing to support black authors and Black WBOOKSTORES. We wantto offer both of those gift cards from a wonderful black owned store inVirginia called books. An CRANNIS will coast a link to them on our page too,and two winners we have. I think we have drawn two winters at random to GTBE, given those gift cards to books and Crannis in Virginia who's got thenames of the winners, W Oto we'll put...

...him on the page. I'm Christian you'vehad a couple of announcements too. Take it away yeah, so we've AL talking abouthow important it is to support this movement happening right now. I thinkwe're all being reminded ot the importance of confronting our ownprejudices, even the ones we don't realize behold and to be constantlyopening our eyes beyond our own experience. So to that end, we wouldreally love to start some discussions on their friends and fiction page aboutbooks by Black Authors and to Strarte things off. We will be buying a book bya black author for three lucky winters, all from the Lipbar, a black ownedbookstore in the rock so to enter just look for our post under announcementsand tell us which book by a black author, you would be excited to win. SoI we'll draw three random winners on Friday afternoon, and the only thing weask of you, if you win, is to come back to the page after you've, read the bookand tell us what you liked about it or what it made you think about. So it's just kind of w. We just want toencourage discussion y. u you all have some wonderful contributions. Everyoneis saying such great things and starting wonderful conversations on thepage and we'd love to see this be something that's talked about a littlebit too. So speaking of books and discussions, my other announcement isthat two of our members- Brenza, Gardner and Michell Marcus- havelaunched an official friends and Fixion Book Club, which will be reading booksby all the friends and fiction authors each month, so their first pick ishello summer by our lovely Meryka Andrews, who will be joining at theBook Club on July Twentieth. I believe, to discuss the book so check underannouncements on the friends ind fiction group page to find the link tothe Book Club page Jew. All you have to do t is a click to join and it's aLotofe, I'm so excited about the book club,because everybody on our page was talking about. How do we talk about itand then some of our own members started the Barion antous Um Bookcloubpage, so you can just go join and then Marycab will show up on your zoom, andyou know it it'll be a little different than what we're doing here, becauseshe'll be on there specifically to talk about Hello Summer and answer all yourquestions about it. So it's also a place to just go and interact withother othe readers and ask your questions of the authors. We're goingto be dropping in pretty frequently to comments on our own books. Also Yeah,so Mary Alice has te wine things down. Well, you remind us of all the upcomingguests that we have coming up this summer, including onnour times it'sjust the five of us yeah we I'mjust going to go. I think I'll just gothrough July. 'cause, it's alot, but the whole dist is on our page and M.It's like I wan can'tbe, Mary Kay alhe's justsaid it's been ten weeks and the first couple of weeks. You know we talkedabout our books, but then now it's been so much fun to have Lisa and to haveall the guests come because we get to talk about year books. So we have apretty exciting um through July broster on June twenty. Fourth, we willhave just what we call justice. It's a chance for O, know us to hang out andtalk about. What's going on a little bit, what personal, Ofoson, personaland then on July first were back to having the desk and I'm really excitedwe're having Delia Owens, who wrote where the crawdacting, which will bevery cool, we love her and then on July. Eight! Just us again, I guess, havinglot of talking just us, then on July fifteenth is Jasmine, Gillery and I'mexcited about that and then on July. Twenty second party time, Carty time.First of all, because we're going to talk about the book, oflaws names- andthis minsoxit is my most favorite song in the whole world from sister Hazeland there come up look who just showed up Hello Soyou SA. I couldn't help myself just Tyou see you saw Mary Alice N onmy phone and it was like in a different place. I'm sorry Ireidin m. what's thename of the song that sister Hazel ther biggest hate is all for you ll see whatit is. I see you winer, I follo they don't pay me Al. My Dad was going to beon the show. Hi She knows about Av Os. To so hi feel. Is that so to celebratethe release of her book, the Book of blessines were having special musicalguest, which is cool, and then on July, twenty ninth Patty's, the host forFiona Davis, another historical Ayr excited about so that takes Usood Julyand we hope you'll join us for each and everyone yeh. So that's it fordenigt.Although Christi Real, quick, tell us how you're do are. Youoi' great are Yo,I'm so go to see everybody o Ho that I caught Oulisa. I just had another eventand I just soarted to pop on and say: Hey 'cause, I'm so excited that you arehere and I can't wait to go watch the episode. I know what was amazing butwwe have like a couple minutes. If you want to ask her a quick question orsomething you might have done, if you'd been here all Mont Oa, okay, Knor, thenI'm like. Am I going to ask something...

...that you guys already asked, but I knowwhat I can ask you 'cause, you guys have not asked us okayso. I wasactually just doing an event with the Dare County Arts, Council and downtownbuks Te Nanny. I was one of my favorite stories at Lisa. I know that m they're,one of your favorite stores too. So can you tell ut o? I know, of courseeveryone knows about your latest books, but can you tell us about some of yourUm, your older books that were set on weren't they set on the Outer Banks,yeah o yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah? How that happened Um someyears ago I wanted to do I I W wanted to do a story, and I knew it would bein this old Um House that had been ravaged for my a hurricane and I wasgoing to do it in Galveston, because we've had our share in Texas and I knewthat intimately. So I was working on the book and my m one of my long time.Retired guy reader, friends, ed Stevens, had said t the the first of the two badhurricanes on the Outer Banks. Thad happened, and he was telling me aboutit that you need to set a book there, so everyone will come to the outer bank,caus everything's just devastated, and all that and I kind of said well. Youknow I might some day and then Ed wrote back to me in about a week andSaidlli've asked my daughter Shiannan. If you want to set a book on the out ofbanks, you could come stay in her beachhouse o then. Well, you know, sothat is oxended. A Free Beach Houseis how those Bo sounding I be cut on Donof, my reds, but I I in love withthe Outer Banks, the history, the People Um and that inspired two morebooks in the prayer box, the storykeeper and the seakeeper'sdaughters. The second two in that group of books really was just because I fellin love with the history of the outer ranks and the people I think Tho takeaway from Meulisa, isthat when your readers tell you, they have a good story for you. You shouldlivetrue you're so right, and not only that, but if you'R, even if you're allthe way into something else, because that's the hardest part saying okay,I've spent and we've all done it with one oer or another. I've spent allthese months. All this research and I'm Gong to cut it over here Lisa. We have loved having you so muche self fast, so greats, and I know we could talk forhours and everyone don't forget. You can pick up Liza's latest the book ofLost Friends along with our releases at thankee books. Thank you all forjoining as a please winus on the friends and fiction facebook group andmeat us back here next week when Christy will be hosting the five of usand we'll be talking writing tips, and we all have lots of news well betalking about that and on the following week, we'll be here with Delia, Owensand goodnight everyone Belso, I wan to Hun Im wan a hug. Youknowow long is a tog long distance by everybody. I E miss you miss you too, love from here. Okay, so that was Super Fun. Soa Lave is great. I Ne SA. I can'twait to go wise. Oh she was talking and it really struck me and I loved it whenshe was talking about. She doesn't like to read history from other sources ofother Historia. She likes to go to the reginal materials and see the actualwords es, and I think that's why her work ring so true. It was interesting that she mentionedspecifically the way people talk 'cause. It is different from different timeperiods. It was interesting that ward choice and and cadents were importantthings to hur. That really does come across in her books. Then just the dry,I loved the three act. stretcherwe've all talked about that right inourainteps like how do you, because you're Christand, your super superoutliner, Parry Paand? I are super, not IM. An outlinean Arialys is an outlinerand Christi is an outliner and I'm not a ciner you're pure no idea, yourpancer Oase, Atha, Mary Kay and Christi. I are going to goon a retreat and then ror, you better have maryalisn. I onyour retreat, B'cause, we'll just all keep you in line with our outlie I'll,be able to sa what comes next o we're like this. Do this know at Aland?Really I mean I Christian. I think it was Christian, an Mary Alis and I wewere in California- and I was talking about under the outhern Sta, which, asmy next book there was this little piece of story that I just could notfigure out and cristen said something to me, and I was like great and I didn't end up using likethe exact thing, but I liked, but it was just that I was like Gash. Itreally does help to have people, though I remember it does we were doing alittle. What did we do like a weekend...

...retreat patty at your house in OmetoBluff Maryallis? was there her and Casandra King, our very dear mutualfriend, was in and out, but I was writing the high tide club, which wasthe most complicated multi and it was watas crazy on sp for anywhere hard onthat flove is the first time I had done dull time lines. You all have all doneit before, but I had never done. You know about box story and a contemporarystory, and I hade this crazy, convoluted plot, and I said I need thisto happen and, and they looked at me and said just make it the brother and Iwent what how I couldn't see that I I still don'tknow, but it's like someone else. You know who's in tune with you. Um can say:can they can see the forest degrees when you just can't you to makegranstorm so great yeah and you cu ye the whole forest, because you outlinethe forest tree by Trad, but but you know the best ideas still come. I loveit when you're editor and Youre Duking it out. I call it and we're just havingideas and just sharing, and it's Oh, my God that is a good idea or she'll saysomething like okayi'Li'll trut it. It's TAT stead of open. Every word isnot a pearl and I thought that's the best part and it must be fun forhistoricals, especially, you know we're talking about how you get that ideawhen you hear it, but when you're doing your research ye h and it just hits-you like- Oh my God, got to put this in that's what Lisia was saying. So itmust be particularly true for his Dou ye. What a great night it was. Itreally was. You were going to. Let you lead US lead us through next week andWi'll, see you every pignic cap wait. I can't wait. Whill, I'm glad I got tocatch all really quickly and I can't wait. Toseeyo oe. I can't wait to seeyou all at six. Forty five in the morning purse Nier it's it's late and I get tohave dinner with my husband because it's Floryan Amersery onme Meso. Icould SA goodbye girls. I got a husband to tonish. Go I. If we ete to bed everyoneaafo tomorrow morning on TexRi'm waiting for Maritatoes, they go exactly go away right. Everybody Imor, you've, been listening to the friendsand fiction, poncast, be sure to subscribe to the friends and fictioncodcast wherever you listen and if you're enjoying it leave a review. Youcan find the friends and fiction authors as www dat, friends and sictionthat come as well as on the facebook group, page friends and tiction comeback soon. Okay, there are still lots of books, writing tips, interviews,publishing news and bookstores to chat about goodbye.

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