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Friends and Fiction with Rachel McMillan (Sunday Bonus Episode)

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Writer, social media guru, and literary agent, Rachel McMillan joins the Friends & Fiction authors to discuss her new book, The London Restoration. https://www.rachelmcmillan.net/

Welcome to Friends and fiction. Fivebest selling authors, Endless Stories, Friends and Fiction is a Facebook liveprogram with five best selling novelist whose common love of reading, writingan independent bookstores found them together with jets, author interviewsand fascinating insider talk about publishing and writing. Thes friendsdiscuss the books they've written, the books they're reading now and the artof storytelling. If you love books and you're curious about the writing world,you're in the right place. Best selling novelist Mary Kay Andrews, ChristineHarmel, Christie Woodson, Harvey Patty Callahan, Henry and Mary Alice Munroare five longtime friends with more than 80 published books. To theircredit at the Start of the Pandemic, they gottogether for a virtual happy hour to talk about their books, their favoritebookstores writing, reading and publishing in this new, unchartedterritory. They're still talking, and they've added fascinating discussionswith other bestselling novelists, so join them live on their friends andfiction Facebook Group page every Wednesday at 7 p.m. Eastern orlistening view later at your leisure on their podcast or on their website atwww dot friends and fiction dot com. Hello, everyone here we are with ourbrand new inaugural Behind the book bonus episodes E. I know we're soexcited we'll be doing these about once a month, and tonight we are kicking itoff with the fabulous amazing Rachel McMillan. But we are still friends andfiction. I am Patty Callahan, Henry and I'm your host this evening, and mylatest novel is becoming Mrs Lewis. I'm Mary Kay Andrews, and my latestbook is Hello, Summer, Um, Mary Alice Munro, and my latestnovel is on Ocean Boulevard. I'm Christine Harmel, and my latestnovel is the book of last name I'm Christi Woodson Harvey, and mylatest book is Feels Like Falling five best selling authors and liststories. We are so thrilled about our new bonus episodes, where we meet newauthors and focus on the art and craft of writing. As you can see, there aremore than five of us, and we want you to read meat. Rachel McMillan, A TongueTwister. Her latest book is London Restoration and just came out last week,and we're still supporting our Bookstore of the Week, which is Pageand Palate and Fair Hope, Alabama. And if you click the link in our friendsand fiction Facebook page. You'll find a link toe all of our books, includingRachel's Newest for 10% off. Rachel and...

I met on a street in New Orleans, whichsounds way sexier than it waas way. Oh, I know way. But it wasn't a fun NewOrleans party. It was. It was a dorky library convention, and it was a least69,000 and 354 degrees way bonded immediately, not only because we weresharing a published sure and loved books that we because we're both madlyin love with the same man. Endeavor. PBS show Endeavor. John Evans, MyBoyfriend No, no, no. I called Jets. He's my Gordon in my novel, so donpicture everywhere. We take one more in a bad mood. We text each other photosof Sean Evans, but it will always put you in a better mood. But the more Icame to know Rachel, the more I admire her. Not only is she one of the mostprolific writers I know, but she is one of the most avid readers I know, andshe is a literary agent. She is the author of the Herring, Furred and Wattsmysteries. The Van Buren and DeLuca mysteries, the three quarter timeSiri's and her newest London restoration. She is also the author ofa nonfiction book called Dream Plan Go. A Travel Guide to inspire IndependentAdventure. She is also vaguely obsessed, which is an understatement withHallmark movies, and she has written a very merry holiday movie guide. Oh, itjust came yesterday. I don't know, really. Oh, so Rachel lives in Toronto,Canada. Since we're focusing on the art and traffic writing, we'll be talkingabout that. But first, Rachel, I want you to tell us about your new book. Iheard about it when it was just the inkling of an idea. You and I were bothin London. I was there for becoming Mrs Lewis, and we met for breakfast and youwhispered this book idea and I was enchanted. So tell us everything now.It's a really thing in the world thing. Gorgeous. Cover the London restaurant,and it really is amazing for me because it's my departure from the mysterygenre and historical mysteries, and I guess I can add a bit of ah, publishingtip. Here is perspective writers. You may not get into the publishing door inthe genre that you set out to write off. You take an opportunity, you spend thetime. If you're me, you put everything your passion into historical mysteries,which I did for eight books waiting for the moment where I would have theopportunity to pitch historical romance.

Which is the genre I've written in myteddy book journals since I was a little kid or my teddy bear journals.Um, Patty. Besides, my mom was the first person to hear that I was in one and again, authors. You know this. Iwas not contract ID at the time. I hadn't. I was waiting to pitch aproposal, but I knew that spending 10 days of research on the ChristopherWren churches in London and at Bletchley Park, where the code breakersand spies were, would inform a proposal that I hoped that my publisher wouldn'tsay no to. So the London restoration is basically a two fold restoration. Oneis it set just after World War two, and Diana Somerville, an architecturalhistorian, is returning from four years at Bletchley Park, having signed theOfficial Secrets Act and reuniting with her husband, Brent, whom she's madly inlove with but whom she cannot tell where she's been. And he is returningfrom a stretcher bearer at the front and together they're trying to get toknow each other, while Diana is commissioned by an M I six agent to useher knowledge of the Christopher Wren churches to zone in on a Soviet agentcalled Eternity. So you get a deep dive into these days, beautiful churchesbombed in blitzed and the way that they established the grading system inLondon the way that Postwar London evolved in this resiliency of theseamazing people, but also the potential to see the beauty of these structuresthat we see as they were rebuilt nowadays. So it's very atmospheric,steeped in a lot of history, but it's a romance and a married romance. Itstarts. We're usually the movie credits would roll with the sepia tones and themusic swelling. We're catching up with people who need to fall in love againand again and again because they've become strangers to each other. Sothat's that's my newest book, E Amazing e Love, How you not only just told usabout the book. But how you finally got to write the book you wanted bypersevering through other books? I think all of us have been there. All ofus have done what I'd love, that we have so many questions for you, so themost I get to go first. So you and I have talked a lot about this about howreading isn't just for the pleasure of reading, which it is, but how it alsoconnects us with others. And you are so active on social media talking aboutwhat you've read and how reading, not on Lee is a creative battery power butalso connects us with others, which is part of why we started this show. But Iwant you to talk to us about that and how that works for you and how it'shelped you in your career, since we're talking about you know, the art andcraft of this career well, first of all, if you're going to pursue publishing,you need to have a genuine sense of...

...reading love because without it youwill not survive. There is no way in the world to make authentic connectionsin the writing reading, library and bookstore community without a genuinelove of reading. And that means reading widely. And it means reading often. Andit means building in reading into your writing and pursuit of publication. Ifyou think you're reading enough, you're not. If you can read more, read evenmore than that. But what's more, learn how to love books written by otherpeople so much that if you start to feel that an internal editor ishappening or you're feeling competitive, then you stop writing until you learnhow to read again with a deep love. Because reading is what informs ourworld and our world. Onley works when we love on each other's books withoutexpecting anything in return. Just a natural love of reading. Once you havethat, you're ready to be a part of this community that Onley works. When weelevate each other, we elevate other authors. We spend time endorsing debutwriters. If we're Christine Harmel, you text Rachel McMellon when she just losther mind over a book of lost names. You get to that point, but here's a bonuswhen you're pursuing publication, when you're at a writer's conference, whenyou want an agent or an editor. You need to know the market becausewhatever you're writing is two or three years behind what's being signed. Soyou need to be attentive enough to see where the trends are going, and that'seasy to find. If you read widely, you stop it. You're bookstores. You askyour librarians and you follow the trends, and that kind of goes back.Thio. Sometimes you get in the door, you establish yourself in whatever wayyou can. You use your traditional publishing books even if they're inhistorical mystery to start helping others. And then when you publish thebook of your heart, people will write your editor and say, This is the bookthat I know Rachel's been wanting to read. They went to my editor and askedto endorse it, and that Onley happens when you're a reader first. So everywriter, please the community Onley works if we love on each other's booksand craft. I kind of Children's what a great answer was really good. Uh, MaryKay, I know you wanna Rachel. You're an author and an agent. You know, um, theworld wants us to think that cove it is a death knell to the publishingbusiness. A reader named Katherine...

...still well says that readers from allover now have an opportunity to meet the authors and hear them speak abouttheir books. Is the book industry booming? She says. I imagine librariesand shops are having difficulty keeping up with the demand. Some of us aregoing to be in semi isolation for a long time, so there's it's kind of atwo part question. One part of the world thinks books or dead and theother part of the world says we can't get our hands on enough books, which,which, which is the reality, Do you think? Well, I would put it throughthis lens about a decade or so ago, the Kindle came out at the time ofrecession in Canada, in the U. S. All over the world. And I remember I wasworking in educational publishing at the time. My entire life has beenpublishing. I have graduate credits in publishing, so I come from that. But Iremember people saying the Kindle is that's it for books and yet more. Wesee people wanting print books, but I would also take a moment to rememberthis, that your perspective of something informs how you engage withit. So if you're a perspective author and you've decided that the bookindustry is dead, you carry that and you pass that on to other people. Or ifyou're a writer in the writer community, then you're not paying attention toseeing the successful things that are happening like this. For example,you've got together you wanted to support indie bookstores. If we havethe savvy, we can snatch this moment to be the moment where we redefine how weengage with people who may never have been able to make a book signing inperson or never been able to go to a writer's conference because they can'tafford the airfare. Let's embrace it and not focus on that. There's alwayschallenges in book publishing, and there's always rumbles. But alsoremember this. Remember how excited I was? I dio to get a haircut after notgetting one a in a bookstore, that first moment at a library that's gonnahappen for a lot of us. Ah, lot sooner then TV shows will be filming andmovies will be filming and theater breaks my heart cause I'm a hugetheater nerd will be happening on stage. We're a the moment Where are freshcontent can break any covert barrier. We can get a book tomorrow on our phone,so I would say not to focus on that. As for books thriving, I just think thatyou should go to Twitter someday. Ignore all the politics and the catGIFs and through Publishers Weekly or through publishers lunch. Or onTuesdays, when all the new releases come out and follow people who aresharing their excitement and internalize that you have enoughnegativity from, ah, global pandemic.

Ah, hurricane murder, Hornets aneconomy just murder. Everything s so put your blinders on to the power ofbooks to prevail. And the more we get through this, the more we're going tokeep being innovative. So a bit of a ramble. But I hope that touched on someof those points. E Christie Woodson. Harvey. Yeah, well, and it leads intomy I really have, like, 11 questions for you, but it's one question, Um,yeah, but I do think that you really touched on something that you know, ourability thio transition during this time, and our ability to kind of keepon our toes really is sort of defining. You know how we move forward and it'sjust it's gonna be a really interesting time. So as both an author and aliterary agent, what do you think is the new normal and publishing? Do youthink that people are gonna be reading differently? Do you think contracts aregoing to be different? What do we need to know that you're seeing from theauthor and the agent side? C 11 questions. Love it. I love it. So Iwould say that we were starting to see a shift even before the pandemic. It'sjust the pandemic exacerbated some of the things that were happening. I willsay positively that I was able to find contracts for clients over the pandemic.Many people were resigned. Many people made the New York Times best sellerlist. But I would also say that some places were already worried about thedecline of bricks and mortar stores or the gigantic leviathan that is Amazon.That's was something that was different because when Amazon startedprioritizing shipping of non books, people went to book depository peoplewent to books. A million people focused on their indie bookstores. So at therisk of turning the conversation positive, I want authors know that thenew normal is whatever we make it. You, Rod. Yeah. And what we have this weekshout out to Fiona Davis? Yeah. Fantastic New York Times, right? Yeah.Look, the Lions of Fifth Avenue. Look at the book of lost Names. Look at thelibrary and books centered books that will be the imprint of authorsthroughout this pandemic. I think that's a magical kismet. We are readers.We will make it happen. We will survive. We've got all the tools. 20 years ago,we couldn't be having this amazing zoom call where I'm in another country. Um,so I'm pretty That won't let us in the Oh, you know, to be honest yet, we'llget there, Kristie, you got to see if...

...you can even get in. You know we can'tget in your way. Um, but I have to tell you question, ask her, Catherine, that,you know, I was really excited this year because what author doesn't dreamof three releases in one year, and I waited my whole life for this momentand it turned out to be 2020 on one of them is called Dream Plan and go notdream plan and stay in your apartment and read on nothing. Just remind plan.What? Drink, Drink A That you should have written a drink. A drink A s youhave to dio is rewire your brain to think of how itcould be an opportunity, I decided with that book that yes, it published on May6 when you know, you couldn't even go to a coffee shop and sit down inToronto that books can have a marathon appeal and that as things open up, morepeople are gonna be itching to travel. So how can I think, Squire? That storywe tend to think. And I'm hoping this is reflected in the publishing worldwhere often and, you know, this is writers. They often dictate the successof a book within a few weeks, whereas usually it takes a trickle. It takesword of mouth. You know, I caught the end of the episode just before this onewhere someone was saying that they heard about this through a coffee shop.Consider how powerful that. So you can look at it in two ways, and I decidedto try and do whatever I could to engage with people online through booksand book. Love and London Restoration so far has been by far my mostsuccessful fiction book at an enterprise to date. So I'm just gonna,like, grab onto that. Sorry. You got Sonny mixed sunshine here on your Ifyou were looking for the dark and dirty world of No, no, no eggs. This isexactly what we're looking for because I do think so many people feel sodaunted. And sometimes I think those writers we look for an excuse to feeldaunted. I mean, like, can't pitch now. We're in a pandemic.No one's. But, you know, I mean, we look for those excuses to, like, nothave to put ourself out there, So no, this is exactly why we wanted you,Rachel. So that you could tell us what we needed to hear. And I think also forthe young authors who are trying to get published, this kind of belief that itcan happen, I'll just have to, you know, just can do is really inspiring. Yeah,and most importantly, look at how this summer has shown a much neededspotlight on own voices and black authors, all of the publishingcompanies who are taking off their...

...usual unsolicited manuscript andactually spending the time that we should have spent time on years ago,bry, and find ah, wonderful space for every last bit of inclusivity. Ifthat's the new normal, then hey, I'm or that new normal were in absolutely goodone. Okay, Christine Harmel, what you got? Well, my first question is, Rachel,can we be best friends? Because I need something like sunshine in my life. Imean, seriously, I love your optimism. And I love how supportive you are ofother of other writers. And if people at sort of all places in the journey.So, um, you know, official invitation extended for best friendship, You know,if if that interests you but s Oh, you know, I looked at your list of novelsand nonfiction and it's overwhelming. You had How many books out last year?Was it four? Oh, it's been a lot. Oh, my God! But but like last year alone orwithin the last year, i e. It's it's mind boggling. Um, so on your socialmedia. Also, you talk about books as if you read one a day how on the world,right? So much and read so much and represent clients. I mean, do you sleep?How do you do it? And do you outline? Do you free, right? Like, just kind oftake us through the nuts and bolts of what you dio Well, I think that I wasvery intentional in my pursuit of the publishing business. I always wanted tobe published. So what I did and I don't know if this is everybody's path isthat I spent four years just making connections as a blogger and what Icall I call myself a book gusher because I just gushing about books andreading Agent blog's and I got my agent. And my first book was signed in 2016.And at this time, I was still working full time for an educational publisherin Canada. Um, and from there, I got ah, look at the industry and I would readon the subway commute, and I would write at lunchtime, and I think that, you know, I'm goingto say it. Sometimes you sacrificed vacations sometimes like me. You'reworking on London Restoration Line edits through Christmas and New Year'sI all the time because I believe that you have to want it five times morethan anyone else and work five times is hard and you have to have the marathonand Stephen Leacock, sick Canadian writer. And he said, I'm a greatbeliever in luck. I find the harder I work, the more I have of it. S o. Ihave given up a lot for writing, but it's what I always wanted to dio. Iwill say that I am blessed in that I am...

...a fast reader. It depends if I'mreading a 1500 page tome on the work of Christopher Wren. It takes a little bitlonger and I said, I'm a bit. But when I lose myself in a story and that's whychunk time out for reading. Because when you're in this world, we talkabout blurb ing and endorsing. Just having a name like Patties or SueMeissner is on the front or Kristin, having a name just helps elevate you toreaders, so it's just so important to keep reading. I do outline, but I alsoleave myself room for rabbit holes. I also really rely on the fact that I'vehad some amazing editors. I don't know about you, but often my books comealive in the developmental edit stage. First draft is terrible, and when youlook at it, this teamwork and that you just have to get it out there and youhave a chance to refine it and to go over it. That's really helped. So a lotof it has been just a lot of hard work. There has beenkismet moments and connections which have been wonderful, but it's just alot of hard work and a lot of time. And I think all of you would say that therewill be moments where someone is lifted. You know, the In the 19 thirtiesHollywood movie, a star is born in someone's on Broadway in an understudyrole, and then suddenly they're the biggest star in the world there. Thereare moments where that happens that for a lot of us, it's just years and yearsof work, so that zone around about. But I hope that answers that a little bitabsolutely well, and I think the thing is Rachel, that a lot of people,including us, sometimes think that there's a secret we don't know, likethere's there's a secret. Everybody else No, no, across the line, Yeah,yeah, And I think the secret is that there is no secret other than hard work.I think you nailed it hard work. I remember when we were in college, thegene of the first freshman gathering said, Everyone look to your right, evenlook to your left 11 of you or two of you won't be here in four years was sodepressing, but it actually sort of that way. If you're in the race forwriting a book, to getting publishing, have to work hard, really want it, howmuch do you want it? And there are so few slots, so you not only have tothink just about yourself in your career, but it's like any job interview.It's like any corporate meeting. You have to be a team player because if itcomes down to a pub aboard, which is where they make the final decisionabout a book, it's between you and one other author, and you both have kind ofthe same sales the same scope. Are they going to go with the one who goes aboveand beyond and supports other people and keeps an eye on the industry? Orare they going to go with the one that Oh, maybe if we give them a prettycover, they'll skyrocket. Publishers at...

...the end of the day are not just thismagical unicorn. We pursue their people and they want good people on a team.And so I think that that goes so hand in hand, it's the hard work. But it'salso being approachable and wonderful and someone that people want to havearound. I love that. Okay, Mary. Alice, I know you have a question once fromthe Yeah, this is a reader question, and this is from Anne Young, and shewants to know, Can you offer advice to new authors regarding self publishingversus trying to find an agent or an established publisher? So I think that,you know, a lot of us are asked that question, but I think you have yourfoot in both camps s I'm really Yes, I'm really I've actually self publisheda couple of books, too, so I'm really interested in your answer on this one.Well, I would say first off all that. The stigma around self publishing thatpervaded the industry for a very long time is gone, and also that if you haveany kind of ego about Oh, but it's not traditionally published. Remember mostof your readers browsing Amazon with a good cover and description are notgoing to know the publisher name. That's something we know. We knowimprints they're not going to know. So remember that it's accessible. But alsoremember that you can want different things, and that's legitimate. If youjust really want to get your story in front of people on your own timeline,without the business aspect, without an editor saying, Please do this or thisis isn't the book that's going to get you in the door. Self publishing is agreat idea. I self published novellas, contemporary romances set in Viennabecause I know that I couldn't pitch those to a traditional publisher atthis point and have them take them. And it reminds me of the joy I used to havewriting stories in my notebook with no one else around, and I want to keepthat joy So I published them, and it's almost like if you wanna look over myshoulder, that's fine. But I would also provide a bit of caution here. Andthat's what if you want to self publish but also traditionally publish,remember that the moment you self publish, you have a sales track recordand the sales people at a publishing committee board, which is the finaldecision, are the ones who are going to say, Oh, they have a book out, Let'ssee the sales And that can be a little daunting to them, even if it is from anindependently published project. So I would keep that in mind also know thatit's all legitimate. But if you're going to do it, pay the up front costsfor a good editor, a good cover and know that you can get to a point.Where can I? Gosh, look at me. I'm so lame opening of my life. But mypublisher now includes my three quarter...

...time Siris in my books, which arefantastic because you can cross over readers. But what I would say is thatthey're two different things. If you just want to publish to get your storyout fast. That's a legitimate thing. If you want to pound the pavement with noguarantee of publishing, that takes a different type of love of story because,you know, as we've talked about so many of us, Mrs Lewis, for example, I meanJoy is a book of your heart, all the books or books of your heart in one way.But the Passion Project takes years of research, takes kismet, takeseverything aligning, so they're both legitimate. You pocket money once youself published, because after you pay for your cover and your editor pleasedo that, you automatically get those royalties. But I would say readtraditional author, blog's and writing spaces and do the same for selfpublishing. But know that there's not the stigma there once was that Oh, it'sus versus them. There's a lot of hybrid authors, absolutely a dancer. Yeah, Ilike the word hybrid authors E. I have never heard that before, but it'sperfectly like that a lot. I haven't tried it yet, but there have been booksI've gotten the rights back to, and I've thought about it going on and sendthem out into the world. Okay, just real quick. I were running, of course,other 10 yeah. One more asked me to ask that one next question. Mary Alice, ifyou will. All right from Anissa Joy Armstrong High Anissa. I'm sure thiswill be another great event. Which job do you find The harder job being anagent or a writer? They're both really challenging. I've only been doing theagent role for about two years now. Um, I would say that they both require alot of instinct in different ways. As a writer, as I said, I'm watching trendsand is an agent that works really well. But as an agent, you also have to beable to decide if you're the right person to sell the book, even if youlike the traction. Even if you like the person's platform and social medianumbers, you like the concept at the end of the day. Can you love it enoughthat you will fight for it? And that can be hard. That instinct can be hard,whether you're writing a book or choosing to represent one. The thing Iwould say that's hardest about being an agent is having to deliver bad newshaving to be the front line for conflict because you have to be theliaison and having to tell a writer that they've been passedon a rejected. And I guess because I am a writer, I know what it's like fromthat side. I do find that I'm learning more about the legal aspect. I work fora great guy named Bill Jensen who's been doing this for 40 years, so heteaches me a lot right now. I would say that they're both equally hard becauseI just the time balance just in life.

Sometimes everything comes at once. I'mhaving a few weeks where that hard boys are amazing, like delivering amazingnews to a client or to publishers want your book that's in the brain store off.They're both awesome. But I would say that writing, because it's my passion.That's the one that I I find more challenging sometimes because itrequires me to be more vulnerable, right you have. Yeah, I get that. I getthat now on to what everyone is waiting for, including me. Give us a RachelMcMillan writing tip. All right, well, you've seen the motif of how I speakabout the publishing industry, So I'm going to give you a writing tip that Ihope translates into your life. And that is a quote. Allow me to quotemyself. When does that ever happen from my gun and go book that the greatestskill you can learn in life is how to be happy for other people, And thesingle greatest thing you could do is a writer is realized that success for oneof us means success for all of us. When a book like The Nightingale becomes sopopular, it elevates the world so that other people book of lost names room onthe roof Family can find their reader When Lisa Wind Gate, who spent manyyears pounding the pavement if that was not an overnight success story beforewe were yours, that means that sold on a Monday finds readers it might nothave found before. Success for someone is success for all of us. And thenthere is no room to be like, Oh, I'm not a good enough writer or theirpublication is gonna surpass mine. Or why aren't my sales like there's themore doors we can open through people who paved the way Because none of usare a pioneer. It's all been done before. Northrop Frye used to say thatthere's only like, two original story is the Bible and King Lear I don'tagree with, but he's kind of onto something. How people king, How couldwe make it the best in our voice? And so the greatest skill is to learn howto be happy for other people. And if it's genuine, that means you can goanywhere and meet lots of amazing people and read lots of amazing booksso that my heart is is a writer. Oh, I love that. Wow, That's a differentdirection than we usually hear, You know what a tip that was great. No, I'mgonna write that. I'm gonna listen again. And I think I wanted you to bemy BFF to e forgot what she just said. I'm happy for you. We could both bebest friends with So you guys I was...

...first. Okay. With your prolific reading.I know you have a load of books suggestions, so I'm going to flip itand ask you to tell us. But only one Onley one I know. Please follow me onsocial media. You get like 13 a day. I actually spent time on this because Iwanted it to touch on everything that I think is wonderful about all of you andfriends and fiction. And I chose Natalie Jenner's The Jane AustenSociety. You know, debut during a time when the world was shutting down. I wassupposed to go with the launch because Natalie is a Canadian just like me, whowent to research in England just like me and spent time at shot in house,unraveling this post war society of people who love books. It made merevisit the source material of Jane Austen in a new way, but added bonusfor every bookstore watching. Natalie comes from a background as an indiebookseller. Follow her on Instagram and Twitter thinks book is huge. And forall of you ladies who likes, um, Richard Armitage, he recorded the audiobook. So you just get to listen to his beautiful voice within society. PostwarCanadian author who loves books and booksellers and supports indie booksstores because that's her heart. That's my heart, too. So read it. Wow, youlike kid on everything we represent that was a good one. That's about stars.And for all of you listeners out there, um, Rachel will definitely stop by thepage. She's guest, and she will try to answer some of the questions we didn'tget to. And she will tap in and join you on the Facebook page. And, Rachel,I'm so excited for London restoration and for you. And I'm so happy you cameto talk to us. Thank you. Thank you, Thank you. This is surreal. Iappreciate all of you and thank you for what you're doing for books and authors.All of you support authors in the way that I just dream to keep being able todo so. Thank you so much for having me. You're a wonderful book. The LondonRestoration. Really? Looking forward. Your awesome Lots of success. So thatis a wrap our very first behind the book bonus episode. You can mineRachel's new book at 10% off at a bookstore, the week page and pellet onour Facebook page. And that's it. Thank you, Rachel. Thank you. Thank you.Thank you.

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