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Sunday Bonus Episode: Christmas Books with Susan Mallery

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Susan Mallery, #1 NYT bestselling author of more than 150 novels and 16 Chritmas novels, joins the Fab Five to talk about her prolific career, the art of writing a great Christmas book, and faovrite Christmas books. https://susanmallery.com

Welcome to friends and fiction. Fivebest selling authors Endless Stories, Friends and Fiction is a podcast withfive bestselling novelist whose common love of reading, writing an independentbookstores found them together with jets, author interviews and fascinatinginsider talk about publishing and writing. Thes friends discuss the booksthey've written, the books they're reading now and the art of storytelling.If you love books and you're curious about the writing world, you're in theright place. Bestselling novelist Mary Kay Andrews, Christine Harmel, ChristieWoodson, Harvey Patty Callahan, Henry and Mary Alice Munro are five longtimefriends with more than 80 published books. To their credit. Yeah, at theStart of the Pandemic, they got together for a virtual happy hour totalk about their books, their favorite bookstores writing, reading andpublishing in this new uncharted territory. They're still talking, andthey've added fascinating discussions with other bestselling novelists, sojoin them live on their friends and fiction Facebook Group page everyWednesday at 7 p.m. Eastern, or listen and view later at your leisure. Welcome, everyone. Theses evening isour Sunday bonus that behind the book episode, these are some of my favoriteswhere tonight We're talking about holidays stories were friends andfiction by bestselling novelists with endless stories. I'm Patty Kellyanne,Henry and I'm hosting Tonight and since are behind the book subject. Thisevening is Christmas novels. My Onley and beloved Christmas novel is calledThe Perfect Love Some Hi, I'm Mary Alice Munro. I loveChristmas books. I devoured them and I've read Patties and Mary Kay's, ofcourse. And my one and only Christmas novel is a low country Christmas, andthis is the one and only of my books that won the Southern Prize for fiction,which I have to say on. Lee reassures us that sometimes the book of yourheart is the one that you're meant to write very home, right? Hi, I'm MaryKay Andrews, and my best loved of my Christmas books, according to myreaders, is my Christmas novella that I wrote 15 years ago. It's called BlueChristmas. Hi, I'm Kristen Harvell, and I clearlydropped the ball by not writing a Christmas novel. You will. It's allcoming out in July, a Forest of Condition star. I'm Christi Woodson.Harvey and I have not written a Christmas book either, but I reallywant Thio. So maybe next year I'll put that on my list of things to Dio. Butmy forthcoming novel is called Under the Southern Sky, and one of the mostimportant parts of the book happens at Christmas. So it's kind of like a zooand for all of you out there, thank you so much for joining us this evening. Welove that you show up on Sunday nights to join us for these behind the bookepisodes, and this evening we are so thrilled to have Susan Mallery with usas we talk about her prolific writing. And then we're going to get a bit Maryand a bit bright as we talk about holiday novels and stories. SusanMallery is the number one. Yes, Number one New York Times best selling authorof novels about the relationships that define women's lives, family friendshipand romance. Library Journal says that Mallory is the master of blendingemotionally believable characters into realistic situations, and readers seemto agree there are 40 million with an M...

...40 million copies of her books thathave sold worldwide. Her warm, humorous stories make the world a happier placeto live and we agree. She has written over 150 bucks and over 16 Christmasnovels, and I love this. While she was studying accounting in college, Susanspotted an ad for an adult education course titled How to Write a Romancenovel. In the sixth week of the eight week course, she realized that writingromance was what she was meant to do with her life. And she is a bornstoryteller, far too practical to drop out of college. She got her degree, butnever, ever once worked in accounting because she was published straight outof college with two books in January of 1992 16 prolific years and 74 Books.Later, she hit The New York Times best seller list for the first time. 74books in She hit The New York Times list with 10 years. She's amazing. Shenow lives in Seattle with her husband to Rag cats, which she's gonna have toexplain to me and an adorable poodle. She's passionate about animal welfareand has served on the board of Seattle Humane and an organization that is dearto her heart. Pets often show up in her books obviously. And because you knowthat we started all of this, um, for bookstores and to help Andy's. I wantto tell you real quick about our independent bookstore for the week. Itis called Little Boho Bookshop, and it is in Where Is It is in Bayonne, NewJersey are Bookseller of the Week. After working in the publishingindustry for more than 50 18 years, founder Sandra Dear decided to realizeher life long vision of opening an independent bookstore in her beautifuland quiet city of Bayonne, New Jersey Nestled downtown with a cafe, littleboho is a cozy get away with a focus on kids, young adult bestsellers. And now,through December 13th, in store or online, Little Boho is offering 10% offbooks for Susan Mallery as well as ours. There is a link on the friends andFiction Facebook page, and no discount is required. So now I would like tobring on our guest. Susan Mallery, Please come on. So we can help Way areso happy you're here. What a year. This has been crazier. Thank you so much forhaving me. This is fun because we can't do this in person. What a crazy here.And I can't believe it's December E keep saying What is time? It's March.It's December. It's like I don't know, But we finally have something reallygreat to look forward to, and that is holiday novels, and you have written 16of them. I had not realized that until you said that. I think that would knowthat about myself. I'm Patty. I wrote 16 Christmas novels. Well, they're fun.Those those of you who have not there is something very, very fun about themthat I don't know. There's just I like the structure because you've got thistime period. I like the tradition. I like the cookie, so I enjoy them. So,yeah, tell us about this year's novel. It's called happily this Christmas, andit's actually part of a Siri's called Happily Inc and opening sentence Whenthe character tells herself not too annoying herself. E I was like, That'sus. So tell us all about all about the book is really fun. Um, I haven'twriting this series seven happily a happily because the wedding destinationtown founded on a lie. Um, and, uh, it was sort of dying and they the one ofthe found, the guy who owned the bank...

...and a bunch of people owed him moneyputting up with this story about how the town had a stage coach had stopped,it had broken down. And the six women who were going to the goldfields to getmarried have to wait for the part because there was no feta and theyended up falling in love and the town was born as a place to fall in love.Get married, none of which was true. Eso that is the basis of happening. Butit's a pure wedding destination town, and every book I've written, the otherfive have all been pretty much around wedding. So this one was fun becausewhen it's the only one of friends who isn't directly involved in wedding. ButI have. I have savored my interest daydreams on looking up Apple weddingsand Snowman weddings and Scottish Wedding. That was fun, Um, and so whenis a single mom? And she has avoided relationships for a long time for areason that I will not tell you, but it's in the book and she's got a wildcrush on her next door neighbor. And I love the idea of adults successfulwomen feeling like they're back in highschool with all the insecurities and all the insanity and the hormones thatgo with being 16 and in love with a guy who doesn't even know you're alive. Soif I could do that to a successful entrepreneur, totally has her lifetogether. It's a good day for me. That's when story it's It was fun. Itwas a lot of fun to write. Um, there was some interesting things I learnedabout junior ROTC, which I didn't even know existed. But that's in the story.And, uh, as I said, cookies and a good looking guy. So what more do we need?Don't need anything else. Yeah, exactly. You have a question? Yeah. Susan, youare so prolific. You even have websites set up for your individual. Siri's howyou do it all. How do you stay on top of so many plots and Siri's and novels,And never mind the whole marketing side of things. I'm in awe, and I want youto tell me how you do it. Well, thank you. Well, ah, lot of the marketing Ihave a website person who does My, That's technical, that's hard. And it'san art form and I am not artistic. So, um, I have somebody does that. I have avirtual suspension. L who takes care of keeping me on track. She does a lot ofthe She does a lot of the design work on day. So she is the one who will workout like there's maps. She does all the maps. She does all the cute littlegraphics. You see. That is all her. I can do this, and that's what I try tostick to try to stick to what I'm gonna I've written. I've sold. Now it's about160 something books. I think we're pushing 1 70 I have in my entire careercome up with to cover concepts. Well, I've come up with a lot, but I've comeup with two that have been used in my entire career. So I know where my skillset is, and I try to support that, um assed faras being prolific, I think alot of us have a pace that which were comfortable, and when I started, I wasreally young. I was going to school, I had going to school brain, which shewas very quickly, and I think it's gone forever in my in my case, Um and so itwas really easy for me to learn, and I was super excited. I was living in LosAngeles, so I had access to hundreds of classes on writing on screenwriting. U.C L. A has a writing extension. I took classes there. I took setting classesfrom poetry writers. I took this great class called the Psychology ofCharacterization, from a doctrine professor psychologist who wanted to bea writer but couldn't. So he taught writers. So I had all this access and Ididn't know you were supposed to write slow. And so I had a period of time mymother had make. It made me take typing, she said. I think this computer thingis gonna be big. You need to learn how...

...to type. So I was very resentful, but Idid, and now I'm so grateful. And the first time I said I signed up for thatclass and I started a book because you do homework. I mean, I was in college.You do homework So I had a block of time, probably like an hour, hour and ahalf. So I wrote 10 pages because no anything. I just fight on and I thought,Well, tennis, a nice number. So that was my days. And then I just kept going.And then I one of the classes. I went Teoh a workshop, a Z We're going forbreak at lunch as literally We're walking out the door and he said, Oh,however much you're writing, increase it by 10% And I thought, Oh wow, Inever thought of that. So they were doing I know Well, I didn't knowanything. It's really easy to write fast when you know nothing. Becausewhat do you care if there's a plot? Or there's characterization are danglingmodifiers. None of that matters. It's just, you know, it's in essence, isvomiting. So Lugo So then I had joined argue way. I went to a workshop and,well, I didn't goto workshop. I went to a Linda Howard workshop, whoever saidand she wrote two pages a day, and it was so. I mean, my heart was just asmall brown stain on the rub, so I went home and I thought, Okay, well, LindaHoward, it's real writer and I want to be a real writer. I'm only gonna rightto page today, E wrote two pages, and it was like, Well, there's 15 minuteseso then I didn't know what to do. It was quite the emotional dilemma, and Ijust sat myself down and said, Let's be honest, you are never going to be LindaHoward. Just accept it and move on with your life So that is sort of how Ibecame prolific. The other thing is, I have a fairly significant in beauty,and so I don't know how people spend a year to writing a book. I would killthem all and move on. I need to get done while I can still focus becausethere's a joke in my house. It's like, you know, im. Sometimes things aren'tcooked as fully as they should be, and it's because I get bored and wanderaway. So I need to finish before that happens. And the other half of that is,I know what my next four books they're going to be, and it's like, Well, Iwant to write that and my public Her has insisted For reasons not clear tome each book must be completed before I start the next one. So s so it is thereit is like a It's not a push pull. It's like a pull and pushing together. Ineed to finish while I can and I need to get done so I can write the nextbook. So I've never not been prolific. I don't understand people who couldtake all that time and you just want to go over it again and again. I admire it,but it scares me. It's like in a perfect world I would type and neverread it again until, like, two years after it was published. And then ideo Ilistened to my books on audio because I learned a lot. But no, I just I want Iwant the next book is gonna be so great. I want to get to that Fascinating. It'swere all made so differently. And we love hearing everybody's processbecause if you line up 100 of us, everybody is going to be everybody.Christie, you had a great question. Um, yes. So we have heard from a littlebirdie that you have a new Siris of Christmas romance is coming out nextyear in a place called Wishing Tree Wishing tree. Oh, I'm I'm reallyexcited. Yes, I created just happening Could sort of coming to an end. Um, sothis is the last one for those who love wishing tree I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Wholived happily income to wishing tree It is a little town and it's on Lee gonnabe Christmas book And tonight has...

...already done the math on, uh, I'vewritten the first book and it it's great. I'm really excited about thisSiri's and I already know what the second book is gonna be, which isactually the next book I get to write eso eso That's the one I'm thinking.You know how all right that one. So yeah, it's really fun. It's a mountaintime. They have all these holiday traditions and that's fun about writinga syriza's especially Christmas series coming up with traditions coming upwith Oh, there's gonna be this and there's going to be all these thingswere going to dio in the town and to make them different. So in wishing treethere is a town Advent talent. And so December 1st everybody comes and thefirst day is always a family activity. But there's gonna be a day where itpoints, like fixing porches or or shoveling snow. Or and there's thewhole thing that happens on the first day that it snows. And one of thetraditions in town is you cannot decorate with snowman until there'sbeen the first stop. So none of them know ornaments. Nothing. Window.Nothing on your lawn until it snows. And the rules are very specific. Itmust know for 15 minutes, and it must leave a visible traits on the groundbefore it counts us for snow and chorus come. And they're very angry if theychoose the long weekend for its nose. First Tuesday. So so, yeah, who hasmade these things? That's amazing. I love I love it. Mary Kay, you have aquestion? Yes, Susan, you know I haven't written a Christmas feel, Bella.And in the 10 years, So tell me, what are the elements that make a goodChristmas novel? And what do you hope? Your readers? What's the check away foryour readers when you when you publish a Christmas novella. Um, to me,Christmas books are all about how they make you feel. I think all books abouthow they make you feel, but more so at Christmas. And I think I want to speakto tradition and family and connection. Onda Geun. All books do that, but thisis like on steroids. It's just you want the sugar rush of all the fields, andthat's really important to me because, uh, this year, more so than ever, Ithink we need to feel good. But yeah, there's nothing like getting I've, youknow, stretch and violate the rules and break out. But, you know, this is whatI'm reading right now. We're just catching the light, but Christmas bookTemporary Christmas arrangement. I've got my stack there. I start the weekendof Thanksgiving reading Christmas books, and that's pretty much all I'm going toread for the month of December, because I want that. It's like in the movieseso There's a reason hallmarks looks like 24 hours a day because that's whatGod intended. Eso That's yeah, it's about the emotion, and for me, I dowomen's fiction as well as romance. But the Christmases are romance because Ijust I would imagine I have not. I've always fall in love with a differenttime of year, but falling in love Christmas must be pretty cool. Yeah,right about that. It's a lot of fun and eso I enjoy that. The other thing I dobecause I have written a fair number of them and there is a rhythm to them. Ido a scavenger hunt in my books, and I do this with my readers. So what Iasked them to do on Facebook is I will post and say, Would you please suggestrandom objects? And I'm random objects? And then I get hundreds and I gothrough to help me go through, and I end up with usually about 25 that, um,I am going to. I commit to the list,...

...and I tried that. They're not allornament onda. Some of them are very emotionally significant readers. I'vedone a little stuffed giraffe toy that was the favorite toy of a child whopassed away on. But I've done the pickle ornament that's been passed downfor generations in a day, so I try to do a mix of very heart wrenching thingand something. And so they're 25 in here and on my website is Page thatwill tell you what they are, and then you can find them. And there is, like,a whole check. I keep track of what they are. And then every day before Iwrite, I read the list and think, Okay, I can do, you know, the red wallet andthe matching earmuffs. But in this one of them, once I remember from this isthere's a rotary dial phone, and that's kind of the object on what was funnywas going here. I had a new editor and I forgot to tell her. And one of themargin notes was There is some weird stuff going on here. Why is it here?Because it never comes up again. I think it was. I don't know if it was nosugar thing or but it was equally bizarre, and I'm like, Oh, there's ascavenger hunt. So I like that it's fun for me. I like the challenge Reallygreat. Readers like seeing their stuff in it, and a ZAY said you could justprint out the page and see if you can find them all because it has beentriple check. They are all in there. What a great idea. You give yourreaders a game, plus a book that's really that some of them are chief.Some of them are just It's genius. I didn't Yes, I agree. That's wonderful.I I have to look at a whole new eyes. Now I know that's very hard. That's alot of work to do as the author sometimes. Well, I picked them. It'snot like, you know, um, it's like the car when the friends come and visit andI'm blanking on her name, which is silly, because I just heard from thereader Joy Lynn. I met her at a signing, and what I do and assigning is, um,that you always have a posted and what their names see Spell correct. I'mprobably I'm not, you know, um, and I'll pull the posters that areinteresting to me because coming up with names challenging on did afterthis many books. And so I have this tray with this stack of posted from,and I'll just go through with every book and pulled post its and see if Iused and she just picked up the book, and she's like, I can't believe youreally used my name So that was fun. But the car that the French show upwith it was on the list. It's a convertible, an old convertible. That'samazing. Marianne, if you had a question Anyway, what you gonna ask? Idio Can I Can I sneak another one in? Because, like, because you were talkingabout the Hallmark movies. And, um, you've had a number of Hallmark moviesand how, first of all, you get to see it on the screen. So what's that like?And what do you think makes a book amenable for Hallmark film? What do youthink that particular looking for? I've had one. Um, they're doing a lot of inhouse contact content now with their books, so they seem to be not findingmany. Oh, what does that mean? There they have They Yes, they have a dealwith. I think it's walmart where they produce original fiction. And then Ibelieve those books are made into are more likely E That was gonna happen. Ididn't know it did. It did because I know I'm pretty sure it was great. Itwas fun, Thio. Because these things people think Oh, you have an option.Yeah, I will tell you, my options have been a dollar on by agent takes herpercentage from E. It's not the full dollar. And I've had that for I'm surewe all do. You have it for years and...

...nothing ever happens. And it was $25.1time. That was exciting. Way almost went out to dinner and so on. Then youremembered you had to pay your agent, so yeah, exactly. So anyway, but yes.And then it got made. And it was It was just It was very exciting. Um, there,once they buy it, you're done. I mean, nobody. I don't want to say they don'tcare what I think, but they don't. And, uh, So they Yeah, and then it's a movie.And I got to hear some stuff. I heard they were very happy with it, so theywent back and added more snow. I assume that the c g I think and I'm veryexcited that they added So, um, it was charming. It was fun. And then to seeit because there's I'm very fine with letting go. I just wanted it to be good.I didn't even care. That was especially true story. Just just and it'swonderful. It was charming and lovely. And the guy who plays my hero, um, isjust so good looking. It's unnatural and he's very sweet. He he did a lot ofpromotion, and we're Facebook friends And Trevor Donovan. If you're having abad day, treat yourself and go look at the pictures could not be sweeter andhe rescues dogs. So it's like O. E. Didn't his mother, but still epermission to ask another question just to slide it in? That you mentionedrescue dogs? And I just want to say how much we all appreciate that you do somuch for animal Rescue and Humane Society. We're very thrilled about that.And do you ever have a passion to do you ever want to put that passion intoyour books? I usually do have animals. This is one of the few books wherethere isn't, um, in Animal. And in next year's book, The The Christmas WeddingGuest, Um, it's two sisters and one of the sisters has a rescue Great gamenamed fell and she is not brave. Um, people are scared of her because she is£150 but she is terrified, but she meets a boy and it who becomes her boy.And so she is brave for her boy. She won't be great for herself, but she wasa boy. But she has a great wardrobe because it's cold and great dayenvironment to be, you know, sub freezing temperatures E. I love thereader dog and she sent me pictures. And then, of course, you know, youwrite a book and then time passes and nobody knows anything that's happening.And we heard that Bell had passed away. Eso then I was able to write her andsay she doesn't have a walk on. She is like a star in a way through. She's astar. So that was that was very wonderful. So, yeah, there's usuallythis'll one does not. But usually I have animals in there. They're a hugepart of it. So, yeah, that just shows such a big heart, and it also makes mewanna line up all your Christmas novels for the rest of the month. But beforewe jump into Ah, viewer question. We have one viewer question. I want totell everyone about this incredible giveaway for our viewers. From thegenerous and beautiful Susan Mallery. She is graciously offering an adorablehappily this Christmas tote bag stopped with the holiday. Surprises are friendsand fiction. Viewers will walk away with this great prize. So look underannouncements on the friends and Fiction page and you can enter to winby filling out this entry form. And Susan, thank you so much. I want to winit. I want Thio might forget to put it...

...under and not really, uh, you have aviewer question to ask. I do. So Tanya Jackson wants to know. Do you havebackground music playing? Or do you need silence when you write? I needsilence to the point where I have a white noise machine. E. Yeah, but yes,I am. I wanted to be relatively quiet, and I have white noise because you know,life in everybody's home I have pets, and so them you allowing the workingthis squeaky toy. That's not a problem. But human stuff is like, although Iwill turn to them and say Mommy is working to pay for cable. So we allquiet e Yeah, I like. I don't get the soundtrack thing. I know people makesoundtracks and then they write to those songs. I listen to music when I'mfluffing an idea when I have, like, a little bit and I will play a song overand over an hour to I get to produce headphones Um, eso because I willlisten to the same song like 40 times and just It's not the song. It's theemotion of the song e completely e. I'll often listen to music withoutwords. I can't like you. I can't write to music with words, but I can justChristie, I think another. If you were questions Christian, no Christian yet Get Christie. Would you mind? I'm justhaving a lot of audience. Well, so Sue Johnson Bishop says. Susan,congratulations on writing 150 novels and 15 Christmas books. That is amazing.I concur. How do you get motivated for your next book? And how do youcelebrate when you finish a book wishing you and your family a MerryChristmas? Merry Christmas back. Um, I celebrate by cleaning my desk becauseas I get through the Thea amount of space I can actually like. Write acheck on is reduced to a playing card. It just and I've got a really big It'san L shaped desk, and it's like eight by six. So it's not a small surface. Oh,and to make those of you who like this but your day typing, I had it designed.The part where my keyboard is is the old fashioned typewriter height. Soit's lower, so I have No, I just It's perfect. And then I have a real deathover here. That's just type. It seems so adult when I look at it s oh, Iclean my death and I usually, um, start a book the next day. I don't takea lot of time off what I would do. So I'm always excited about the next book.I It takes me a lot to ramp up to, right to get to the point of writing.So by the time I'm ready to go, right, Um, it's very I'm ready. I'm ready.Ready? Ready for that story because I haven't started yet. I haven't messedit up, so it's perfect. And what one book that turns out to be perfect.Wouldn't that be amazing? So that's how it was. The fantasy never is. But Istrive for that every time and in my head. It's like, still very natural.It's the never ending hope, right? Yes, it keeps us going. This is the bookthat's gonna turn out the way I imagined it in my in my brain, Very K.Will you ask her? Yes. You know, the five of us are all dying to here.You're writing tip because your schedule and your successes so envious.So we just want to steal a tiny bit of...

...your brain if you'll if you'll share it.Susan. Well, unfortunately, my writing tip does not apply to, in your view, um,but for new writers or people who want to write, here's It's more of a secretthan a tip. Everyone who is successful has one thing in comment. They're notgiving up. They do the work. The people who are on the best seller list are notthe most talented. I'm not saying they're not talented, but there areunpublished writers who are so incredibly gifted you with a week, butthey will never write a book. They will never They start. They won't finish.They won't do the work, whether it's to get a publisher or to self publish,they want to have written. They don't want to write a secret to. Success inwriting is the secret to success in life. In anything you want, you need toshow up and you need to do the work. It's not pretty. It's not magical. Well,it is for us because we all love this dio, but it's not. It's not somemysterious thing I remember years ago and I was not very published. I'mwriting a handful of years, like, maybe published four years and I went to aluncheon and this person I did not know came up to me and rubbed her armagainst mine, but in a creepy way. And she said, I'm still magic because I'mgoing to go home and be published now. And I thought a you, uh, be it doesn'twork like that. It worked because there is an occasional lightning strike.There are those authors who it's lightning strike. If you've beenreading two years, it's not you, because it would have happened already.Um, So for 99% of us, it's You got to do the work. You've got to show up anddo the work with you if you want the dream, you know? Okay. The Seahawks didvery badly yesterday, very badly. But look at Russell Wilson. This is the guywho shows up and does the work. And there's a reason he has all these, um,fabulous statistics is because he does the work if you want to do the work. So that's my That's my right. Very goodadvice. It's do the work because, no, there is no other secret than that, isthere? No, there isn't There Isn't there work because, you know, I coulddevelop a habu? Yeah. Good luck with that. Writing is our hobby, right? Andr e No. When people ask us, what do you dio were like? E read? Um I e readbooks and I write books. Well, do you want You want me to do a book a year?Calm down. I mean, Susan's writing 11 books a year E o. But Christie, we'veseen you on your palate on. That's right. I do my palate time. So they'reUgo Susan What you're saying is the secret is there's no secret e wishthere waas no e no, we all wish there waas Yeah, because some the reality ofsome books are easy in some books are hard and the leader doesn't know Weknow it's like, uh and the truth and the truth and with the weird thing is,I think sometimes that the books that seem like they were the easiest when areader reads it and it flows and it seems like it just flowed out Sometimesthose are the hardest books for us too, right? It's true, it's true. And that'sjust yes, I think the hard the books that are hard are I don't know. It'sjust God's having a sense of humor kind of day. I don't know. It's like itdidn't happen Things that Yeah, there there are some things I said summer. Icould go back and say I can look at them. I can't tell you, Andi. I'vewritten through some. We've all written through tragedies. I can't tell youwhat scene I wrote right after I lost one of my parents or something, but Ican look at a book and say Easy, Hard, hard. I hate that. I hate that book somuch. Um, and I have a very wise friends who always tells me, andusually when I don't like a book, it's circumstance. It's nothing to do withthe book. It's something like something...

...that had happened in my life andbecause writing is about expressing emotion. Um, all those emotions getcaught up in the storytelling, even if they aren't reflected on the page there.If that makes sense is in our psyche. So when I look at him book where Iwrote it through something difficulty as soon as I see the cover all thosevisceral emotions, Yes, over. It's like a song when you hear it. Yes, MaryAlice, you want around us out with one last quick? I will. Well, we have beentalking about Christmas books, and so we have to ask what? Susan is yourfavorite holiday novel. Other than one you've written yourself and you'vewritten so many. But which one or two? A book that you've read about Christmasinspired you the most. Well, I'm gonna plug a friend, which I try never to dobecause I'm going to hear from the other friends. But there's my friendChristine Romer. She writes for a special edition. She wrote a book, andI believe it came out last year called same time Next Christmas, and I thinkit is the perfect holiday romance. It is based on its same time next year,which is an old old movie. It is based on that premise. Nobody's sneeringbecause that was always the issue of that. Um, and it is. I loved that book.I just I love it, part of the reason I love it. I in plot group with Chris. SoI was part of the plotting, And, um, there were some discussions where ourvoices were raised. Um, and I'm like, You are wrong and I'm going to be inyour face until you could acknowledge your wrongness and not make thatdecision and ruined the book. Eso in Parker, we get together, webrainstormed, but I usually want to read the books. But I was dying to readthis book, and it was perfect as I knew it was going on. And it is I love. Oneof the disadvantages of being a writer is it's harder to find books to readbecause we can see everything happening. I imagine it's like being a movie makerand going to the movies. It's like, Oh, somebody's holding a fan there andthat's not really a dog And so we can see behind the curtain. And what I loveis when I open a book and at the bottom of the first page, one of two thingshappened. Either I exhale or I'm hunched over like a cat in the rain andbecause it's just not gonna work because I can. It's like, No, it's notwork. So I love that this book is from the first Sons I'm like, Oh, it'severything I wanted So I just think it is a quintessential Christmas. We'llput it in the notes to everybody. You it. What was the title called? Sametime next Christmas and it's Christine Rumor, and I'm sure you get it. I don'tknow if it's still available bookstores, because it's category book, and theyhave a short shelf what? But it will be available digitally, and it's funnybecause I have a Well, I lost my riel copy because I prefer to read books I eused to travel. You've got digital, but I like a book. But I mean to them. Andit literally fell apart in my hands. The third time. E Yes, I I confess Ipractice fine. Well, with the recommendation like that, I want toread it way we'll put it in our comments. Same time next Christmas.Susan Rimmer. Christine Christine Member. I'm sorry. Okay, Okay. Okay.This has been an incredible conversation. Thank you so much, Susan,for coming to talk with us. You have made the holidays brighter. Not onlywith all your novels that with this conversation and we're so happy youvisited us and thank you for the giveaway. I can't wait a minute andthank you for your book. It was so fun. Thio Christmas. Thank you. A thank you.It wasn't. Um I've met you years and...

...years ago and I don't know, it wasprobably that are w are what are W Yeah, but it's nice to see you again. Marryyou too. It's good to see all of you. So nice. Thio. You've been listening tothe friends and fiction podcast. Be sure to subscribe to the friends andfiction podcast wherever you listen and if you're enjoying it, leave a review.You can find the friends and fiction authors at www dot friends and fictiondot com. A swell as on the Facebook group page. Friends and fiction comeback soon. Okay? There are still lots of books, writing tips, interviews,publishing use and bookstores to chat about goodbye.

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