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Sunday Bonus Episode: Christmas Books with Susan Mallery

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Susan Mallery, #1 NYT bestselling author of more than 150 novels and 16 Chritmas novels, joins the Fab Five to talk about her prolific career, the art of writing a great Christmas book, and faovrite Christmas books. https://susanmallery.com

Welcome to friends and fiction. Five best selling authors Endless Stories, Friends and Fiction is a podcast with five bestselling novelist whose common love of reading, writing an independent bookstores found them together with jets, author interviews and fascinating insider talk about publishing and writing. Thes friends discuss the books they've written, the books they're reading now and the art of storytelling. If you love books and you're curious about the writing world, you're in the right place. Bestselling novelist Mary Kay Andrews, Christine Harmel, Christie Woodson, Harvey Patty Callahan, Henry and Mary Alice Munro are five longtime friends with more than 80 published books. To their credit. Yeah, at the Start of the Pandemic, they got together for a virtual happy hour to talk about their books, their favorite bookstores writing, reading and publishing in this new uncharted territory. They're still talking, and they've added fascinating discussions with other bestselling novelists, so join them live on their friends and fiction Facebook Group page every Wednesday at 7 p.m. Eastern, or listen and view later at your leisure. Welcome, everyone. Theses evening is our Sunday bonus that behind the book episode, these are some of my favorites where tonight We're talking about holidays stories were friends and fiction by bestselling novelists with endless stories. I'm Patty Kellyanne, Henry and I'm hosting Tonight and since are behind the book subject. This evening is Christmas novels. My Onley and beloved Christmas novel is called The Perfect Love Some Hi, I'm Mary Alice Munro. I love Christmas books. I devoured them and I've read Patties and Mary Kay's, of course. And my one and only Christmas novel is a low country Christmas, and this is the one and only of my books that won the Southern Prize for fiction, which I have to say on. Lee reassures us that sometimes the book of your heart is the one that you're meant to write very home, right? Hi, I'm Mary Kay Andrews, and my best loved of my Christmas books, according to my readers, is my Christmas novella that I wrote 15 years ago. It's called Blue Christmas. Hi, I'm Kristen Harvell, and I clearly dropped the ball by not writing a Christmas novel. You will. It's all coming out in July, a Forest of Condition star. I'm Christi Woodson. Harvey and I have not written a Christmas book either, but I really want Thio. So maybe next year I'll put that on my list of things to Dio. But my forthcoming novel is called Under the Southern Sky, and one of the most important parts of the book happens at Christmas. So it's kind of like a zoo and for all of you out there, thank you so much for joining us this evening. We love that you show up on Sunday nights to join us for these behind the book episodes, and this evening we are so thrilled to have Susan Mallery with us as we talk about her prolific writing. And then we're going to get a bit Mary and a bit bright as we talk about holiday novels and stories. Susan Mallery is the number one. Yes, Number one New York Times best selling author of novels about the relationships that define women's lives, family friendship and romance. Library Journal says that Mallory is the master of blending emotionally believable characters into realistic situations, and readers seem to agree there are 40 million with an M...

...40 million copies of her books that have sold worldwide. Her warm, humorous stories make the world a happier place to live and we agree. She has written over 150 bucks and over 16 Christmas novels, and I love this. While she was studying accounting in college, Susan spotted an ad for an adult education course titled How to Write a Romance novel. In the sixth week of the eight week course, she realized that writing romance was what she was meant to do with her life. And she is a born storyteller, far too practical to drop out of college. She got her degree, but never, ever once worked in accounting because she was published straight out of college with two books in January of 1992 16 prolific years and 74 Books. Later, she hit The New York Times best seller list for the first time. 74 books in She hit The New York Times list with 10 years. She's amazing. She now lives in Seattle with her husband to Rag cats, which she's gonna have to explain to me and an adorable poodle. She's passionate about animal welfare and has served on the board of Seattle Humane and an organization that is dear to her heart. Pets often show up in her books obviously. And because you know that we started all of this, um, for bookstores and to help Andy's. I want to tell you real quick about our independent bookstore for the week. It is called Little Boho Bookshop, and it is in Where Is It is in Bayonne, New Jersey are Bookseller of the Week. After working in the publishing industry for more than 50 18 years, founder Sandra Dear decided to realize her life long vision of opening an independent bookstore in her beautiful and quiet city of Bayonne, New Jersey Nestled downtown with a cafe, little boho is a cozy get away with a focus on kids, young adult bestsellers. And now, through December 13th, in store or online, Little Boho is offering 10% off books for Susan Mallery as well as ours. There is a link on the friends and Fiction Facebook page, and no discount is required. So now I would like to bring on our guest. Susan Mallery, Please come on. So we can help Way are so happy you're here. What a year. This has been crazier. Thank you so much for having me. This is fun because we can't do this in person. What a crazy here. And I can't believe it's December E keep saying What is time? It's March. It's December. It's like I don't know, But we finally have something really great to look forward to, and that is holiday novels, and you have written 16 of them. I had not realized that until you said that. I think that would know that about myself. I'm Patty. I wrote 16 Christmas novels. Well, they're fun. Those those of you who have not there is something very, very fun about them that I don't know. There's just I like the structure because you've got this time period. I like the tradition. I like the cookie, so I enjoy them. So, yeah, tell us about this year's novel. It's called happily this Christmas, and it's actually part of a Siri's called Happily Inc and opening sentence When the character tells herself not too annoying herself. E I was like, That's us. So tell us all about all about the book is really fun. Um, I haven't writing this series seven happily a happily because the wedding destination town founded on a lie. Um, and, uh, it was sort of dying and they the one of the found, the guy who owned the bank...

...and a bunch of people owed him money putting up with this story about how the town had a stage coach had stopped, it had broken down. And the six women who were going to the goldfields to get married have to wait for the part because there was no feta and they ended up falling in love and the town was born as a place to fall in love. Get married, none of which was true. Eso that is the basis of happening. But it's a pure wedding destination town, and every book I've written, the other five have all been pretty much around wedding. So this one was fun because when it's the only one of friends who isn't directly involved in wedding. But I have. I have savored my interest daydreams on looking up Apple weddings and Snowman weddings and Scottish Wedding. That was fun, Um, and so when is a single mom? And she has avoided relationships for a long time for a reason that I will not tell you, but it's in the book and she's got a wild crush on her next door neighbor. And I love the idea of adults successful women feeling like they're back in high school with all the insecurities and all the insanity and the hormones that go with being 16 and in love with a guy who doesn't even know you're alive. So if I could do that to a successful entrepreneur, totally has her life together. It's a good day for me. That's when story it's It was fun. It was a lot of fun to write. Um, there was some interesting things I learned about junior ROTC, which I didn't even know existed. But that's in the story. And, uh, as I said, cookies and a good looking guy. So what more do we need? Don't need anything else. Yeah, exactly. You have a question? Yeah. Susan, you are so prolific. You even have websites set up for your individual. Siri's how you do it all. How do you stay on top of so many plots and Siri's and novels, And never mind the whole marketing side of things. I'm in awe, and I want you to tell me how you do it. Well, thank you. Well, ah, lot of the marketing I have a website person who does My, That's technical, that's hard. And it's an art form and I am not artistic. So, um, I have somebody does that. I have a virtual suspension. L who takes care of keeping me on track. She does a lot of the She does a lot of the design work on day. So she is the one who will work out like there's maps. She does all the maps. She does all the cute little graphics. You see. That is all her. I can do this, and that's what I try to stick to try to stick to what I'm gonna I've written. I've sold. Now it's about 160 something books. I think we're pushing 1 70 I have in my entire career come up with to cover concepts. Well, I've come up with a lot, but I've come up with two that have been used in my entire career. So I know where my skill set is, and I try to support that, um assed faras being prolific, I think a lot of us have a pace that which were comfortable, and when I started, I was really young. I was going to school, I had going to school brain, which she was very quickly, and I think it's gone forever in my in my case, Um and so it was really easy for me to learn, and I was super excited. I was living in Los Angeles, so I had access to hundreds of classes on writing on screenwriting. U. C L. A has a writing extension. I took classes there. I took setting classes from poetry writers. I took this great class called the Psychology of Characterization, from a doctrine professor psychologist who wanted to be a writer but couldn't. So he taught writers. So I had all this access and I didn't know you were supposed to write slow. And so I had a period of time my mother had make. It made me take typing, she said. I think this computer thing is gonna be big. You need to learn how...

...to type. So I was very resentful, but I did, and now I'm so grateful. And the first time I said I signed up for that class and I started a book because you do homework. I mean, I was in college. You do homework So I had a block of time, probably like an hour, hour and a half. So I wrote 10 pages because no anything. I just fight on and I thought, Well, tennis, a nice number. So that was my days. And then I just kept going. And then I one of the classes. I went Teoh a workshop, a Z We're going for break at lunch as literally We're walking out the door and he said, Oh, however much you're writing, increase it by 10% And I thought, Oh wow, I never thought of that. So they were doing I know Well, I didn't know anything. It's really easy to write fast when you know nothing. Because what do you care if there's a plot? Or there's characterization are dangling modifiers. None of that matters. It's just, you know, it's in essence, is vomiting. So Lugo So then I had joined argue way. I went to a workshop and, well, I didn't goto workshop. I went to a Linda Howard workshop, whoever said and she wrote two pages a day, and it was so. I mean, my heart was just a small brown stain on the rub, so I went home and I thought, Okay, well, Linda Howard, it's real writer and I want to be a real writer. I'm only gonna right to page today, E wrote two pages, and it was like, Well, there's 15 minutes eso then I didn't know what to do. It was quite the emotional dilemma, and I just sat myself down and said, Let's be honest, you are never going to be Linda Howard. Just accept it and move on with your life So that is sort of how I became prolific. The other thing is, I have a fairly significant in beauty, and so I don't know how people spend a year to writing a book. I would kill them all and move on. I need to get done while I can still focus because there's a joke in my house. It's like, you know, im. Sometimes things aren't cooked as fully as they should be, and it's because I get bored and wander away. So I need to finish before that happens. And the other half of that is, I know what my next four books they're going to be, and it's like, Well, I want to write that and my public Her has insisted For reasons not clear to me each book must be completed before I start the next one. So s so it is there it is like a It's not a push pull. It's like a pull and pushing together. I need to finish while I can and I need to get done so I can write the next book. So I've never not been prolific. I don't understand people who could take all that time and you just want to go over it again and again. I admire it, but it scares me. It's like in a perfect world I would type and never read it again until, like, two years after it was published. And then ideo I listened to my books on audio because I learned a lot. But no, I just I want I want the next book is gonna be so great. I want to get to that Fascinating. It's were all made so differently. And we love hearing everybody's process because if you line up 100 of us, everybody is going to be everybody. Christie, you had a great question. Um, yes. So we have heard from a little birdie that you have a new Siris of Christmas romance is coming out next year in a place called Wishing Tree Wishing tree. Oh, I'm I'm really excited. Yes, I created just happening Could sort of coming to an end. Um, so this is the last one for those who love wishing tree I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Who lived happily income to wishing tree It is a little town and it's on Lee gonna be Christmas book And tonight has...

...already done the math on, uh, I've written the first book and it it's great. I'm really excited about this Siri's and I already know what the second book is gonna be, which is actually the next book I get to write eso eso That's the one I'm thinking. You know how all right that one. So yeah, it's really fun. It's a mountain time. They have all these holiday traditions and that's fun about writing a syriza's especially Christmas series coming up with traditions coming up with Oh, there's gonna be this and there's going to be all these things were going to dio in the town and to make them different. So in wishing tree there is a town Advent talent. And so December 1st everybody comes and the first day is always a family activity. But there's gonna be a day where it points, like fixing porches or or shoveling snow. Or and there's the whole thing that happens on the first day that it snows. And one of the traditions in town is you cannot decorate with snowman until there's been the first stop. So none of them know ornaments. Nothing. Window. Nothing on your lawn until it snows. And the rules are very specific. It must know for 15 minutes, and it must leave a visible traits on the ground before it counts us for snow and chorus come. And they're very angry if they choose the long weekend for its nose. First Tuesday. So so, yeah, who has made these things? That's amazing. I love I love it. Mary Kay, you have a question? Yes, Susan, you know I haven't written a Christmas feel, Bella. And in the 10 years, So tell me, what are the elements that make a good Christmas novel? And what do you hope? Your readers? What's the check away for your readers when you when you publish a Christmas novella. Um, to me, Christmas books are all about how they make you feel. I think all books about how they make you feel, but more so at Christmas. And I think I want to speak to tradition and family and connection. Onda Geun. All books do that, but this is like on steroids. It's just you want the sugar rush of all the fields, and that's really important to me because, uh, this year, more so than ever, I think we need to feel good. But yeah, there's nothing like getting I've, you know, stretch and violate the rules and break out. But, you know, this is what I'm reading right now. We're just catching the light, but Christmas book Temporary Christmas arrangement. I've got my stack there. I start the weekend of Thanksgiving reading Christmas books, and that's pretty much all I'm going to read for the month of December, because I want that. It's like in the movies eso There's a reason hallmarks looks like 24 hours a day because that's what God intended. Eso That's yeah, it's about the emotion, and for me, I do women's fiction as well as romance. But the Christmases are romance because I just I would imagine I have not. I've always fall in love with a different time of year, but falling in love Christmas must be pretty cool. Yeah, right about that. It's a lot of fun and eso I enjoy that. The other thing I do because I have written a fair number of them and there is a rhythm to them. I do a scavenger hunt in my books, and I do this with my readers. So what I asked them to do on Facebook is I will post and say, Would you please suggest random objects? And I'm random objects? And then I get hundreds and I go through to help me go through, and I end up with usually about 25 that, um, I am going to. I commit to the list,...

...and I tried that. They're not all ornament onda. Some of them are very emotionally significant readers. I've done a little stuffed giraffe toy that was the favorite toy of a child who passed away on. But I've done the pickle ornament that's been passed down for generations in a day, so I try to do a mix of very heart wrenching thing and something. And so they're 25 in here and on my website is Page that will tell you what they are, and then you can find them. And there is, like, a whole check. I keep track of what they are. And then every day before I write, I read the list and think, Okay, I can do, you know, the red wallet and the matching earmuffs. But in this one of them, once I remember from this is there's a rotary dial phone, and that's kind of the object on what was funny was going here. I had a new editor and I forgot to tell her. And one of the margin notes was There is some weird stuff going on here. Why is it here? Because it never comes up again. I think it was. I don't know if it was no sugar thing or but it was equally bizarre, and I'm like, Oh, there's a scavenger hunt. So I like that it's fun for me. I like the challenge Really great. Readers like seeing their stuff in it, and a ZAY said you could just print out the page and see if you can find them all because it has been triple check. They are all in there. What a great idea. You give your readers a game, plus a book that's really that some of them are chief. Some of them are just It's genius. I didn't Yes, I agree. That's wonderful. I I have to look at a whole new eyes. Now I know that's very hard. That's a lot of work to do as the author sometimes. Well, I picked them. It's not like, you know, um, it's like the car when the friends come and visit and I'm blanking on her name, which is silly, because I just heard from the reader Joy Lynn. I met her at a signing, and what I do and assigning is, um, that you always have a posted and what their names see Spell correct. I'm probably I'm not, you know, um, and I'll pull the posters that are interesting to me because coming up with names challenging on did after this many books. And so I have this tray with this stack of posted from, and I'll just go through with every book and pulled post its and see if I used and she just picked up the book, and she's like, I can't believe you really used my name So that was fun. But the car that the French show up with it was on the list. It's a convertible, an old convertible. That's amazing. Marianne, if you had a question Anyway, what you gonna ask? I dio Can I Can I sneak another one in? Because, like, because you were talking about the Hallmark movies. And, um, you've had a number of Hallmark movies and how, first of all, you get to see it on the screen. So what's that like? And what do you think makes a book amenable for Hallmark film? What do you think that particular looking for? I've had one. Um, they're doing a lot of in house contact content now with their books, so they seem to be not finding many. Oh, what does that mean? There they have They Yes, they have a deal with. I think it's walmart where they produce original fiction. And then I believe those books are made into are more likely E That was gonna happen. I didn't know it did. It did because I know I'm pretty sure it was great. It was fun, Thio. Because these things people think Oh, you have an option. Yeah, I will tell you, my options have been a dollar on by agent takes her percentage from E. It's not the full dollar. And I've had that for I'm sure we all do. You have it for years and...

...nothing ever happens. And it was $25.1 time. That was exciting. Way almost went out to dinner and so on. Then you remembered you had to pay your agent, so yeah, exactly. So anyway, but yes. And then it got made. And it was It was just It was very exciting. Um, there, once they buy it, you're done. I mean, nobody. I don't want to say they don't care what I think, but they don't. And, uh, So they Yeah, and then it's a movie. And I got to hear some stuff. I heard they were very happy with it, so they went back and added more snow. I assume that the c g I think and I'm very excited that they added So, um, it was charming. It was fun. And then to see it because there's I'm very fine with letting go. I just wanted it to be good. I didn't even care. That was especially true story. Just just and it's wonderful. It was charming and lovely. And the guy who plays my hero, um, is just so good looking. It's unnatural and he's very sweet. He he did a lot of promotion, and we're Facebook friends And Trevor Donovan. If you're having a bad day, treat yourself and go look at the pictures could not be sweeter and he rescues dogs. So it's like O. E. Didn't his mother, but still e permission to ask another question just to slide it in? That you mentioned rescue dogs? And I just want to say how much we all appreciate that you do so much for animal Rescue and Humane Society. We're very thrilled about that. And do you ever have a passion to do you ever want to put that passion into your books? I usually do have animals. This is one of the few books where there isn't, um, in Animal. And in next year's book, The The Christmas Wedding Guest, Um, it's two sisters and one of the sisters has a rescue Great game named fell and she is not brave. Um, people are scared of her because she is £150 but she is terrified, but she meets a boy and it who becomes her boy. And so she is brave for her boy. She won't be great for herself, but she was a boy. But she has a great wardrobe because it's cold and great day environment to be, you know, sub freezing temperatures E. I love the reader dog and she sent me pictures. And then, of course, you know, you write a book and then time passes and nobody knows anything that's happening. And we heard that Bell had passed away. Eso then I was able to write her and say she doesn't have a walk on. She is like a star in a way through. She's a star. So that was that was very wonderful. So, yeah, there's usually this'll one does not. But usually I have animals in there. They're a huge part of it. So, yeah, that just shows such a big heart, and it also makes me wanna line up all your Christmas novels for the rest of the month. But before we jump into Ah, viewer question. We have one viewer question. I want to tell everyone about this incredible giveaway for our viewers. From the generous and beautiful Susan Mallery. She is graciously offering an adorable happily this Christmas tote bag stopped with the holiday. Surprises are friends and fiction. Viewers will walk away with this great prize. So look under announcements on the friends and Fiction page and you can enter to win by filling out this entry form. And Susan, thank you so much. I want to win it. I want Thio might forget to put it...

...under and not really, uh, you have a viewer question to ask. I do. So Tanya Jackson wants to know. Do you have background music playing? Or do you need silence when you write? I need silence to the point where I have a white noise machine. E. Yeah, but yes, I am. I wanted to be relatively quiet, and I have white noise because you know, life in everybody's home I have pets, and so them you allowing the working this squeaky toy. That's not a problem. But human stuff is like, although I will turn to them and say Mommy is working to pay for cable. So we all quiet e Yeah, I like. I don't get the soundtrack thing. I know people make soundtracks and then they write to those songs. I listen to music when I'm fluffing an idea when I have, like, a little bit and I will play a song over and over an hour to I get to produce headphones Um, eso because I will listen to the same song like 40 times and just It's not the song. It's the emotion of the song e completely e. I'll often listen to music without words. I can't like you. I can't write to music with words, but I can just Christie, I think another. If you were questions Christian, no Christian yet Get Christie. Would you mind? I'm just having a lot of audience. Well, so Sue Johnson Bishop says. Susan, congratulations on writing 150 novels and 15 Christmas books. That is amazing. I concur. How do you get motivated for your next book? And how do you celebrate when you finish a book wishing you and your family a Merry Christmas? Merry Christmas back. Um, I celebrate by cleaning my desk because as I get through the Thea amount of space I can actually like. Write a check on is reduced to a playing card. It just and I've got a really big It's an L shaped desk, and it's like eight by six. So it's not a small surface. Oh, and to make those of you who like this but your day typing, I had it designed. The part where my keyboard is is the old fashioned typewriter height. So it's lower, so I have No, I just It's perfect. And then I have a real death over here. That's just type. It seems so adult when I look at it s oh, I clean my death and I usually, um, start a book the next day. I don't take a lot of time off what I would do. So I'm always excited about the next book. I It takes me a lot to ramp up to, right to get to the point of writing. So by the time I'm ready to go, right, Um, it's very I'm ready. I'm ready. Ready? Ready for that story because I haven't started yet. I haven't messed it up, so it's perfect. And what one book that turns out to be perfect. Wouldn't that be amazing? So that's how it was. The fantasy never is. But I strive for that every time and in my head. It's like, still very natural. It's the never ending hope, right? Yes, it keeps us going. This is the book that's gonna turn out the way I imagined it in my in my brain, Very K. Will you ask her? Yes. You know, the five of us are all dying to here. You're writing tip because your schedule and your successes so envious. So we just want to steal a tiny bit of...

...your brain if you'll if you'll share it. Susan. Well, unfortunately, my writing tip does not apply to, in your view, um, but for new writers or people who want to write, here's It's more of a secret than a tip. Everyone who is successful has one thing in comment. They're not giving up. They do the work. The people who are on the best seller list are not the most talented. I'm not saying they're not talented, but there are unpublished writers who are so incredibly gifted you with a week, but they will never write a book. They will never They start. They won't finish. They won't do the work, whether it's to get a publisher or to self publish, they want to have written. They don't want to write a secret to. Success in writing is the secret to success in life. In anything you want, you need to show up and you need to do the work. It's not pretty. It's not magical. Well, it is for us because we all love this dio, but it's not. It's not some mysterious thing I remember years ago and I was not very published. I'm writing a handful of years, like, maybe published four years and I went to a luncheon and this person I did not know came up to me and rubbed her arm against mine, but in a creepy way. And she said, I'm still magic because I'm going to go home and be published now. And I thought a you, uh, be it doesn't work like that. It worked because there is an occasional lightning strike. There are those authors who it's lightning strike. If you've been reading two years, it's not you, because it would have happened already. Um, So for 99% of us, it's You got to do the work. You've got to show up and do the work with you if you want the dream, you know? Okay. The Seahawks did very badly yesterday, very badly. But look at Russell Wilson. This is the guy who shows up and does the work. And there's a reason he has all these, um, fabulous statistics is because he does the work if you want to do the work. So that's my That's my right. Very good advice. It's do the work because, no, there is no other secret than that, is there? No, there isn't There Isn't there work because, you know, I could develop a habu? Yeah. Good luck with that. Writing is our hobby, right? And r e No. When people ask us, what do you dio were like? E read? Um I e read books and I write books. Well, do you want You want me to do a book a year? Calm down. I mean, Susan's writing 11 books a year E o. But Christie, we've seen you on your palate on. That's right. I do my palate time. So they're Ugo Susan What you're saying is the secret is there's no secret e wish there waas no e no, we all wish there waas Yeah, because some the reality of some books are easy in some books are hard and the leader doesn't know We know it's like, uh and the truth and the truth and with the weird thing is, I think sometimes that the books that seem like they were the easiest when a reader reads it and it flows and it seems like it just flowed out Sometimes those are the hardest books for us too, right? It's true, it's true. And that's just yes, I think the hard the books that are hard are I don't know. It's just God's having a sense of humor kind of day. I don't know. It's like it didn't happen Things that Yeah, there there are some things I said summer. I could go back and say I can look at them. I can't tell you, Andi. I've written through some. We've all written through tragedies. I can't tell you what scene I wrote right after I lost one of my parents or something, but I can look at a book and say Easy, Hard, hard. I hate that. I hate that book so much. Um, and I have a very wise friends who always tells me, and usually when I don't like a book, it's circumstance. It's nothing to do with the book. It's something like something...

...that had happened in my life and because writing is about expressing emotion. Um, all those emotions get caught up in the storytelling, even if they aren't reflected on the page there. If that makes sense is in our psyche. So when I look at him book where I wrote it through something difficulty as soon as I see the cover all those visceral emotions, Yes, over. It's like a song when you hear it. Yes, Mary Alice, you want around us out with one last quick? I will. Well, we have been talking about Christmas books, and so we have to ask what? Susan is your favorite holiday novel. Other than one you've written yourself and you've written so many. But which one or two? A book that you've read about Christmas inspired you the most. Well, I'm gonna plug a friend, which I try never to do because I'm going to hear from the other friends. But there's my friend Christine Romer. She writes for a special edition. She wrote a book, and I believe it came out last year called same time Next Christmas, and I think it is the perfect holiday romance. It is based on its same time next year, which is an old old movie. It is based on that premise. Nobody's sneering because that was always the issue of that. Um, and it is. I loved that book. I just I love it, part of the reason I love it. I in plot group with Chris. So I was part of the plotting, And, um, there were some discussions where our voices were raised. Um, and I'm like, You are wrong and I'm going to be in your face until you could acknowledge your wrongness and not make that decision and ruined the book. Eso in Parker, we get together, we brainstormed, but I usually want to read the books. But I was dying to read this book, and it was perfect as I knew it was going on. And it is I love. One of the disadvantages of being a writer is it's harder to find books to read because we can see everything happening. I imagine it's like being a movie maker and going to the movies. It's like, Oh, somebody's holding a fan there and that's not really a dog And so we can see behind the curtain. And what I love is when I open a book and at the bottom of the first page, one of two things happened. Either I exhale or I'm hunched over like a cat in the rain and because it's just not gonna work because I can. It's like, No, it's not work. So I love that this book is from the first Sons I'm like, Oh, it's everything I wanted So I just think it is a quintessential Christmas. We'll put it in the notes to everybody. You it. What was the title called? Same time next Christmas and it's Christine Rumor, and I'm sure you get it. I don't know if it's still available bookstores, because it's category book, and they have a short shelf what? But it will be available digitally, and it's funny because I have a Well, I lost my riel copy because I prefer to read books I e used to travel. You've got digital, but I like a book. But I mean to them. And it literally fell apart in my hands. The third time. E Yes, I I confess I practice fine. Well, with the recommendation like that, I want to read it way we'll put it in our comments. Same time next Christmas. Susan Rimmer. Christine Christine Member. I'm sorry. Okay, Okay. Okay. This has been an incredible conversation. Thank you so much, Susan, for coming to talk with us. You have made the holidays brighter. Not only with all your novels that with this conversation and we're so happy you visited us and thank you for the giveaway. I can't wait a minute and thank you for your book. It was so fun. Thio Christmas. Thank you. A thank you. It wasn't. Um I've met you years and...

...years ago and I don't know, it was probably that are w are what are W Yeah, but it's nice to see you again. Marry you too. It's good to see all of you. So nice. Thio. You've been listening to the friends and fiction podcast. Be sure to subscribe to the friends and fiction podcast wherever you listen and if you're enjoying it, leave a review. You can find the friends and fiction authors at www dot friends and fiction dot com. A swell as on the Facebook group page. Friends and fiction come back soon. Okay? There are still lots of books, writing tips, interviews, publishing use and bookstores to chat about goodbye.

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