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Friends & Fiction with Taylor Jenkins Reid

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Meet New York Times bestselling author, Taylor Jenkins Reid, whose books have been chosen by Reese’s Book Club, Read with Jenna, Indie Next, Best of Amazon, and Book of the Month. Taylor is the author of seven novels, including DAISY JONES AND THE SIX, which is currently being adapted by Hello Sunshine into a limited series for Amazon. She joins us to discuss her most recent book, the instant New York Times bestseller and Read with Jenna pick, MALIBU RISING, which is in development with Hulu for a limited series. https://taylorjenkinsreid.com/

Welcome to Friends and fiction. fivebest selling authors and the stories. Novelist Mary Kay Andrews, ChristineHarmel, Christie Woodson Harvey Patty Callahan, Henry and Mary Alice Munroare five longtime friends with more than 80 published books to their creditIn 2020 they created friends and fiction to provide author interviewsand fascinating insider talk about publishing and writing and to highlightindependent bookstores. These friends discuss the books, they've written thebooks they're reading now and the art of storytelling. If you love books andyou're curious about the writing world you're in the right place. Hi everyone welcome with so much tolook forward to tonight. I am to see what's in Harvey and I will be yourhost. I'm mary. Kay Andrews. Remember me, I'm Kristin Harville, she's goneone week. She thinks we could possibly forget her. I am jordie Callahan andthis is Friends and fiction, new york times, bestselling authors, homelessstories to support independent bookstores tonight you'll be taylorJenkins. Reid were so excited. Um and we will talk about her gorgeous newbook Malibu rising which released on june 1st and was hands down one of myfavorite books of the year and also in our continuing support of indiebooksellers tonight. Our bookstore of the week is book soup located in goodold los Angeles California. We will tell me telling you a little bit moreabout that in just a little while and we have a partner tonight that we wantto thank so much, Caroline's cakes this month. The five of us are taking a biteout of summer with Caroline's cakes all month long will be telling you aboutour beach bag. Must have favorite reads of the summer are ideal Labor Dayweekend and our favorite Caroline's cake bite flavor on our individualfacebook and on our instagram. So make sure you're following all of us and weare offering you the chance to win the ultimate Labor Day weekend beach bagbrimming with swag swag swag swag swag swag and Caroline's information isunder announcements on our facebook page and some of you might know thatthe other ladies of the fab five call me peach and to explain that it's notbecause I'm so peachy. It's because my initials are P. C. H. And so I have totell you that it is actually national peach month. So all month long theladies are going to send me gifts. I don't know I listed memo about that.Okay, just went You Miss one Week and then you don't get the memo last weekwe all voted that you were going to send them all mary. Kay, that's that'sthe plan. Not long peach gift. Anyway, they have, they have a decadent peachdelight cake. So I just thought I'd let you know that I mean and you alreadyknow that we partner with Parade magazine every single week online. Westream from their facebook page for our show and we have an original essay intheir online magazine every week. This week mary Kay wrote a really beautifulone about how everyone has a story of their own called what dream do you have?You can find it linked on our facebook page and then our instagram bio. Butmeanwhile mary Kay, can you tell us a little bit about it? Yeah I wasinspired to write the essay after I was after I read the new york times profileabout olympic gymnast um Simone biles. You know her story started with amother struggling with addiction issues and she was she and her younger sisterwere in and out of foster care until her grandfather stepped in and adoptedthe two of them, wow now that story could have had a really differentending and that sort of started me thinking about examining a crossroadsin my career in my life and how taking control of my ambitions changed myoutcome. And um you know the thing is I think I think maybe as women sometimeswe feel like we don't control our own narrative. And so I wonder early therewas a time in your life story where you just had to grab the wheel. Yeah. Youknow that's interesting that you say that about women feeling like you can'tcontrol your own narrative and I think that's one of the best lessons you canlearn as an adult as an adult woman and and for me I think the moment wasmaking the switch from writing romantic...

...comedy to writing historical fiction,which is not what I was being told I should do. It was not what I was beingtold I could do. Um and I thought, but that's where my heart is and that'swhat I need to try to do. Um and I think summoning that courage to chartmy own path and yes, I did say chart ladies. I wasn't going to say a wordsummoning that. It's like all I mixed it. It just went, I'm naughty summoningthat courage I think made a big difference in my life. So I couldprobably have the same answer as both of you if I guess what you're gonna say.But I thought I'd just be a little different because this might soundsilly to some people but um deciding to move to Beaufort to move to the beat.It doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but there were like a million reasonsthat we shouldn't and there were a lot of people who told us we couldn't dothat and we couldn't live there and that wasn't okay. And it was like, itfelt like a really, really big step in a huge decision to be like, you know,actually why why can't we, what if we what if we could and um and it's beengreat. I'm so glad we did it. That's awesome. I mean mary Kay, when I read, you know,I texted you after I finished reading it, I just thought it was such abeautiful essay and I felt like and you put a little list at the bottom and Iprinted it because it's really really I mean we talk all the time but it justwas this really great. It kind of hit the right notes but there's it hassomething to do with agency right like with taking agency of our own life andsaying you do not get to define me And I mean most people here know I was apediatric nurse before I started writing and when I met Mary Kay Andrewsat a Christmas Party, a company Christmas Party Gosh it's probably been25 years I was afraid to say I'm writing a book. I pulled her aside andwhispered like like I was asking for a porn channel will you will you go outto lunch with me and talk about writing and I feel like the similarly of thenight goes to patty, I probably should have thought about that before I saidit but anyway it's just but you do you feel like it's it's embarrassing to sayI want to take agency of my own life and do this new thing that nobody Iknow is doing and brave enough to whisper it to somebody else and thenyou just kind of go from there. So reading that essay, made me rememberthat mary Kay thank you So true patty, I'll not talk about that anymore youknow I'm so the last person that has the porn channel, but I really want tohear what taylor has to say about that and you know, we love, you know, I meanmaybe I don't I don't know, we just got but you know, we love sharing with allof you, we love sharing our big news with you first and we have, we've got alittle something, I just spit on myself. Well, you know, we do have somethingcool to share with you tonight and I think that was the perfect segue, notthe spit part, but yeah, we were talking about earlier because we'retalking about making courageous leaps into something A little bit knew alittle bit of an unexpected direction. So without further ado we are soexcited to share with you the brand new cover of Christie's March 29 2020 torelease the wedding veil. Isn't it beautiful? We're alwaysspoiled because we always get to see it first, but we never lose our reactionwere like, you know, they've seen Every all 277 iterations of the wedding clearwinner winner Christie Christie. Do you want to tell oh sorry, you asked if youwanted to tell us about, tell us about the wedding veil. I want to hear aboutit. Not just okay, super quickly, I'm so excited about this book. Um so EdithVanderbilt, who was the first mistress of biltmore state which you can see inthe background there, um had this really almost kind of mythic familywedding veil that was worn by her grandmother, her mother, her sisters,her daughter cornelia and then it disappeared so fast forward about 100years and um fictional Julia Baxter is standing in the back of the church inthe bridal room getting ready, her grandmother is getting ready to put herwedding veil on her head and um it all of a sudden hits her that her hermarriage isn't gonna last and then she's going to be the one to sully themagic of her family wedding veil. And...

...so um we get to follow these four womenfrom these very different time periods who are facing um some really similarsituations but in very different time periods um and this each of theirwedding veils kind of becomes this um this symbol of something that they haveto let go of in order to move forward in their lives. And of course we get tofind out my version, of course of what happens to the real life Vanderbiltbail. I'm really excited. Oh and I was gonna tell you guys um I am doing a funlittle preorder freebie that I know we do sometimes. Um and so if you preorder there is a there should be a post on facebook shortly. Um you get thisreally pretty the wedding veil rosebud tea and a book plate and a bookmark.And yeah, so preorder sign up anyway, I can't wait to share it with you. I'm soexcited. Really? Okay, so now let's talk about our incredible guests.Taylor Jenkins relate the new york times best selling author of sevennovels, including Mallaby Rising daisy jones in the six and the seven husbandsof Evelyn Hugo. Um she's kind of a slacker nothing. Her books have beenselected by Reece's Book Club and that's Reese Witherspoon Read with uhin the next Thanks for clarifying that you might not know, I don't know somepeople live in Gates, what do you want? Anyway? Uh, in the next deaths ofamazon. Book them up and they've been featured in people quickly,Entertainment weekly and car and driver. I'm like, Lord I seen your ownadmission to make sure we don't forget you again. Is that what this is? Yeah,she's staking her claim, I'm back. Alright, so for Taylor's novel Daisyjones in the sixth, she wrote not only the novel, but also the lyrics for eachsong, which is so cool. The novel was named one of the best books of 2019 byNPR the Washington. Post car and driver kidding about that and many other mediaoutlets. Although I'm sure if car and driver had a book pick this would be it.It is currently being adapted into a limited tv series for amazon by HelloSunshine. It's also right. Reese Witherspoon's company starring RileyKeogh who of course is Elvis's granddaughter, Which seems very very itwas when they were talking about you know when she sold the rights and theywere talking about casting the movie I was like please don't mess up daisy,please don't matter. A great pick. So taylor lives in Los Angeles with herhusband and her five year old daughter and her new book Malibu Rising came outin june and was a read with Janna Book Club pick. It is also set to be adaptedinto a series for you. The novel follows the four famous Riva siblingsthrough one Eventful nights one party in the summer of 1983. Yeah sounds likeSpring break anyway during their annual end of summer party secrets arerevealed and over the span of just a few hours lives are changed forever.Yeah. Amazing. All right well sean let's bring taylor on. Hi thank you. See here thank you forcoming. Welcome. We're so excited to be here. We're so excited for you. Youhave not one but two books on the new york times best seller list for The10th Week. The Mallaby Rising Spin On yeah 10 weeks today. Yeah and then theseven husbands of Evelyn Hugo is on paperback and combined. Right. Yes soExactly. Well before we get started could you tell us just a little bitabout Malibu rising. Yeah I would love to um Malin rising is the story of theread family and they are four siblings um living in Malibu in the early 80s,there all surfers. Nina the oldest is a supermodel and J Is like a championshipsurfer and hugs the surf photographer and kit is like the bold risky onewho's maybe the most talented of them all and they're throwing a rager at theend of the summer in 1983. Um And malvo rising is the story of that day. So yougo through the day with them hour by hour going into the party to see thiswild night unfold because you know that by the end of it somehow somewheresomebody set the fire and the whole thing ends in flames. Well it was truly incredible. Um and Iread in an interview that you did that...

...your favorite quote as everyone wantsto be Cary Grant even Cary Grant, which was said by Cary Grant and you said Ithink that's the very essence of what I've been writing about for three bucksnow. And when I read that I was like yes, like it just hit me like in theexact right spot. So if someone who has devoured and loved your last threebooks, like I really feel that quote for these books but can for thosepeople who maybe haven't read all of your books yet, can you? Or those threebooks, can you tell us what you meant by that? Yeah. Yeah. Well so so when Iwas a kid I was really, really obsessed with Hollywood and it was it was on twolevels. It was I was really obsessed with movies or a tv and then I was alsoreally obsessed with the people that made them the actors, writers directors,what's the story behind the story that I'm learning? And when I came acrossthat quote when I was a teenager and I was really I went through a reallyintense Cary Grant phase where I liked everything that he was in and I juststill to this day, I just endlessly charmed by him. And so I came acrossthat quote and what I realized is whatever this fiction is that werebeing sold, whether it's the story or even what we're told is the behind thescenes true, it's all manufactured, it's not real. Even Cary Grant who isthe most debonair, dashing, charming romantic hero, Even Cary Grant doesn'tfeel like Cary Grant, it doesn't exist. Yeah, that broke a lot of things openfor me, you know, when I was a teenager it was more like isn't this the mostclever quote you've ever heard? You know? And I would tell everybody mybest friend at the time was like I get everybody wants to be Cary Grant Grant,Cary Grant, you know, and like you I was just really obsessed with it. Andthen later on when I started writing about famous people, I realized I waskept keep coming back to that same thing, but there's a difference between what you're being sold and what'sactually happening and that happens in a tension between those two things iswhat my work is about. I love it. So yeah, that's so well said, so how doyou balance that? You know, you have these really glittering worlds, butyou're also revealing this kind of deep, dark underbelly of, you know, some ofthe most idealized things that you know, we can think of rock stars, movie stars,models, famous surfers. So how do you balance, because I still feel like inthese stories, even though, you know that deep dark underbelly, you stillleave with the sense of this kind of there's still a little bit of glitter,you know, to be had in these worlds for sure and you balance that so well. Socan you talk about that? Thank you? I think really what it is that I like theglitter just as much as I look through, you know, and if you're not gonna ifyou're not going to indulge in the glitter, then why are we here? Why arewe in Hollywood? Why are we on the Sunset strip? Why are we on the beach?Um yeah, tomatoes, you know, like, you know, I wanted to be fun and I want youto be able to feel those moments where where like everything sort of shinesbecause what's fun to me is the difference and the um the juxtapositionof those two things, Everything looks really glittery and shiny andeverybody's rich and beautiful are their lives better than our Yeah,probably not. Everybody has problems and so I like, I think what it is istrying to tell the truth as close as I can get to it and the truth is that itis both cd and glamorous, you know, Seventies Rock is really super cool andalso there is a sadness in it. There being a rock star is probably super funand at the same time, really chaotic hard job. And so I think the truth isthat there is a balance of those things and I'm trying to get there as close asI can. Yeah, well you do an amazing job. I mean daisy jones in the six, you know,one minute you're wishing you or her and the next minute you're like, ohthank God, I don't have to do such an incredible job of the andboth with that. Instead of the either or so you kudos as a high school greekmythology geek. I love that you have said I returned to myth, the retellingof tales as old as time. How do you think that the reading and the learningof these stories has influenced you...

...mythology in general has influenced youas a writer in particular with Malibu rising, which does feel mythic in a lotof ways. And so does daisy jones in the six? It's very much a mythic tale ofrock and roll. So how has mythology affected your storytelling? I love thatquestion, I think, you know, for me, and it's been a process of learningthis throughout the seven books that I've published now, is that you havestories that that can be really good stories and then stories that sort oftranscend Jessica book that they're in, they become larger than just thatmoment. And for me, you know, the most obvious place thatwe go to for that is are these myths that we keep telling in our societyover and over and over. Um when, you know, Phoebe Waller Bridge says thisreally great thing about like you have to go greek in order to really get intothe real meat of something, you know, what is the tragedy that we'reexploring at any given time? And I think um what I realized that it'sfunny because what what led me to it was more um not technically meant, butThe Great Gatsby is a book that I think transcends the story, the characters,Daisy Buchanan isn't just a character, he is an archetype for a type of person.You know, jay Gatsby is not just one person, he's specific, but it's alsothe the the specific person becoming universal, he is the embodiment of adream that will not die. And so how do you make a character who isn't just inthat specific story, but becomes, becomes representative of somethingmuch larger and myth teaches us how to do that. And so with Evelyn Hugo withdaisy jones with nina riva. It's a question of, you know, what about them?Can I create that? At least for me feels big and bigger than just thismoment that we're learning about them in the story. I think the wordarchetype just nails it on the head. So if you can, when you take nina or youtake jay's daisy, they are an archetype of a very specific kind of person andthen you give them such detailed peculiarities that they daisy.I can see in my mind right and same with Nina, but they're alsorepresentative. So so I really love that. And in Mallaby rising surfingfeels symbolic too. And almost religious like a religious experienceI've never served because my sense of balance is about as good as a toddler.So, so why surfing, what does it mean to you? I can tell you've done it.There's no way you could describe it that way without having been on a board.So what does it mean to you? And the riva family Patty. I might have, Imight have fooled you a bit there. I wow, I've been on a board for about 20minutes in Hawaii on vacation and it was embarrassing. Okay, I feel so muchbetter. I am shocked by that because I was like this woman is a surfer. Yes,so I like to, I like to pretend and, and so I learned a lot about it andthen I pretended for a while it's really, it was really fun to do. Ithink here's the thing about surfing that I came to appreciate talking tosurfers, learning about surfing and also as just someone that loves thewater. Um it's one of the only sports that I can think of that requires youhave a relationship to mother nature, you cannot serve if the water is notgood for surfing and you, you think, I don't really feel like surfing today,you could miss an incredible once in a lifetime weight. That is, you know,that's just not the same if somebody's playing soccer, somebody's playingtennis or somebody's playing football. Those are, and own a different type ofreward structure. But you have to have a relationship with the ocean and youhave to have a respect for the ocean in order to surf. And I think that's areally, really beautiful thing when you talk to surfers, People that get up,you know early in the morning to get out there. They get, especially we'retalking about California, surface specific ocean is very cold. You know,you're getting up, you're going into...

...the cold, cold water, you're putting ona wet suit, you're doing it because you love the ocean, you love to serve andthat chance that you might just find the perfect wave and write it perfectly.Um that's a thing that does require some level of chance. Said can easilybecome spiritual and religious. This ocean. You know, this wave was given tome. Uh, and I felt that way, just really, really fascinating. No wave.You know, like I was watching this documentary about kelly slater and hehas a picture of this like perfect wave that he did not. Yeah, and it's likethis is the wave that he went away. Yeah. Well you know the number one namein surfing, this is the guy like that, that is known to be a phenomenal surfer.And even for him, there's that wave that alludes you and I think it's, thatmakes it, it's a short, but it's an adventure. It's uh, it's a given tape.I just find that really, really fascinating. Yeah, that's a greatexample of world building. Yeah. Because you don't, I mean so many of us,we create these worlds that we don't actually in real life know anythingabout or have any talent for, um, you know, taylor beneath the shimmeringfacade of the world you created in Malibu rising. There's a very real andvery painful family past, the twists and turns and it affects each of thesiblings present lives in a real way. Menina falls into fame, not because shewants to or is seeking it because she yet, but because she has to support hersiblings and her entire life is then dictated by her devotion to her family.And she's such a fascinating character. I loved how the outer world defined herby her beauty. But she never really took much stock in it and the rest ofit. The lens she sees her life through revolves around how she's able tomanage the happiness of her siblings and me, you know, more than any otherperson. I think she must be the true embodiment of the Hollywood persona.That is one person publicly. And then somebody completely different inside.And I wondered what if there was anybody who inspired her character andyou know, we're seeing questions popping up from viewers wanting to knowis it Stevie Nicks? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it's funny with everybook, there's always somebody that you can point to that, that it seems likeI'm writing about, right, so days it seems like it's about Stevie Nicks orseven husbands Evelyn Hugo. Especially for people that haven't read. It seemslike it's about Liz taylor. Um you know, for for this, I think Nina Reva comesclosest to somebody like Brooke shields, somebody in the public eye, you know,who's image was sort of controlled for them and sexualized for them,especially by a stage mom. Yeah. And and oddly enough, and I swear to dothis on purpose because they didn't Brooke shields did not occur to meuntil many drafts later. But Brooke Shields and went on to marry a tennisstar parallels there. But uh, I really try very hard to make sure that if I'minspired by somebody and the most direct inspiration for any of thesebooks was my love of Stevie Nicks, wanting to write something, you know,in that vein, Well, I just have this thing where I feel like I don't want touse an actual person's life, I try to make sure nothing that happens in daisyjones happen to Stevie Nicks really? Or like, you know, there's there arethings that you can read and you'll say, oh maybe this is Elizabeth taylor andEvelyn Hugo, but there's a lot of stuff about Evelyn Hugo that's very differentthan Elizabeth taylor. And so same with Brooke shields for this one, there'sthere's a sense and you see that they maybe would occupy the same spacewithin, you know, I had a promotional culture and Brooke shields are realculture, but then how do they, how do they differ from there? And so did alot of research about Brooke shields and I found her just really, reallyfascinating and some of the things that nina goes through in terms of the waythat she's seen in the way that she is treated by the men around her, um waswas not dissimilar to Brooke shields, Calvin klein campaign back on it. I got,it goes back to the point at which Brooke Shields decided to take over herown narrative. Absolutely right. You know, people are also and fascinatedwith mitt riva, the shadowy presence in...

...their lives. Always gone, but alwaysthere. Yeah. Um, did you set out to make Mick a foil for Nina two? I wellor is he one? Yeah. I mean, look, Nick has been now in three of my books. Hementioned very briefly in daisy jones, but he he shows up for the first timein Evelyn Hugo. And really, to be honest, he came to me as a foil forEvelyn Hugo. If this was especially he is her third husband. The scene hereally does occupies one chapter. And uh, funny, I don't remember that. LikeI love that book so much, but I didn't, I didn't, I didn't put that together.So I've got to go back and like look at that. So, so he he is the husband thatEvelyn mary's in Vegas. And um, he serves a very specific purpose in thatstory. And a big part of that purpose was, you know, somebody who thinks thatthey have that they're one step ahead of Evelyn, but nobody's ever a stepahead of Evelyn. Evelyn is always in charge. And so I really enjoyed writinghim. Um, as someone who, you know, was going to sort of get his come up andit's a little bit. And so I then in daisy jones. I had this scene where Iwanted to put somebody who had been in one in Evelyn Hugo in the book and Ihad this opportunity to put him in a scene where he just seemed like a realpad and I thought, well that works. And then, and then, and then what Irealized with Malibu rising is that I wanted to write a story about theChildren of famous people when that lens is not, it's not something thatyou chose. It's something that was for you. Absolutely. And I wanted to writeabout Children who had to raise themselves because their parentsweren't there. And so you basically comes down to like, okay, who's thefamous man? He's going to leave his kids that you had. Yeah, yeah. Alreadyknow. But what was nice, what was a nice opportunity for me to explore wasthat um, nick riva is a man and, and I had a lot of fun writing him becausehe's the sort of man who in our society, handsome, white charming, talented menare often able to get away with so much. We will excuse their behavior time andtime again if we can, we will sometimes trip over ourselves like, oh well youunderstand. Like, I don't think he really meant that, you know, he wasmessed up on drugs. He went into rehab right after that. Yeah. I mean ifthey're handsome enough and talented enough and charming, you know, andthey're a man especially right, he will excuse it all. And so what I wanted tothink about was it's not, it's not necessarily that man that I'm asinterested in, but if this is a guy who will just blow off anything and let thechips fall where they may and and devil may care, there's probably a womanbehind him cleaning it all up and the person who who has to do the work thatMick Reba is not bothering to do, so he's one of these kids and then he'sgoing to get bored of being, you know, a conventional dad, he's gonna take offwho are the women left behind raising those Children and that becomes thestory of mine Areva. And so that the story really took shape for me at thatmoment, show me the woman who's cleaning up the messes. Yeah. And let'ssee what that life is like and let's see if there's a mess that is just sovast that she will finally say no. Yeah, yeah. Gosh, I found that that's sointeresting about Nina, but you know, I felt like her mother june was such aninteresting, Deceptively complex character too because she was reallythe first one cleaning up the messes, right? And setting that precedent forit. Um so Taylor I wanted to just ask you a question about yourself, youmoved to Hollywood at the age of 21, right? And before becoming a novelistyou did stints and entertainment tech casting and even TV writing? How cool.I know how cool. Yeah, that's awesome. Can you talk a little bit about whereyou're from, what drew you to Hollywood and how you finally turn to writingabout fame and Tinsel town. Yeah. You know, I am from acting massachusetts. Ilove massachusetts with my whole heart. I miss it dearly. I especially miss itnow when it's so hot here in California.

I know, I'm like seeing that likeStarbucks is like about to start their pumpkin spice latte uh areas like backhome, it's gonna start to cool down soon and like you belong here and Ithink for my, my, you know, fall foliage, but you know, I just always,always knew, You know, you can, you can ask me an eight years old, 10 years old,12 years old, it didn't matter what do you want to do when you grow up? I'mgoing to Hollywood, that was the thing. I knew what I wanted and it was, I wasobsessed with Hollywood, film, television. I couldn't have told youwhat exactly I wanted to do, but I knew that that's what it was. So once a Filmand television school in Boston, I came out here when I turned 21, I got a jobin casting um and loved it. It was so fun and everything that I thought itwould be and like, You know, I'm like, I'm 21 years old, I'm working my firstjob out of college, there's all these like stars from WP soap operas comingin? You know where it's like oh Scott's Beekman from Felicity's here. Yeah justwalked in you know like I was in heaven I loved it but I don't know why I justremember coming into work morning after morning and I have this one was likeI'm not where I'm supposed to be I'm calling it's not exactly right when ittook me a while to figure it out and that's why I bounce from place to place.But eventually what I realized is I'm really really interested instorytelling and I'm really interested in character and that's why casting wasvery interesting to me but ultimately I want to make the characters I want tobe that world. And so I tried my hand at writing film one surprise trying alittle bit of T. V. And then I was like you know I would I mean I just lovedbooks and so I gave that a shot and that was like you know it's not unlikewhen you meet the love of your life. Like if I met my husband and halfwaythrough our first date I was like I've known you for years and that's whatwriting books that that's what it was for me. It was like here it is this isthe thing I was meant to do and it took me a little while to piece togetherthat I could write books about how much I love Hollywood and how long thingscame together. I really feel like I'm in the space of my career where I can Ican just say definitively from from the purest place in my heart, I'm doingwhat I love and I'm writing the books that I want to see on the shelf andit's just such a lovely feeling, you know, God, I love that so much. And I'mso interested though, how you're perspective has shifted because youwrite about fame, you write about Hollywood, you write about as we weretalking about earlier, the Glamour on one side, but kind of the seedyunderbelly of it on the other side. The dark side to it when you started offdoing that though, you didn't you didn't have a name yet, right? Like,you you were you were breaking into the business, you were looking at it fromkind of the outside now in the last couple of years, I feel like yourcareer has exploded. And as a novelist, you've really become a household name,you've achieved that level of novelist fame, has that changed the way you lookat the subject matter you're writing about now, you have a little bit, or alot of that fame that you're writing about and you're a little bit more onthe inside of seeing that picture than you were before. Yeah, I mean it's nottoo similar, I guess to like when you start out as a rapper who's like on thehood and then and then suddenly you're and it's not, you know, it's like, I'mlike, Bruce Springsteen writing about being the factory and then it's like,you know, Spring Springsteen is not a factor anymore. I mean, I mean, look,there's certainly elements of my life where I'm seeing some of the thingsthat I have written about because I'm a public facing person. I feel really,really like, I immediately need to reject the idea that I'm in any wayfamous um because novelists just have such a different relationships to theirreaders that I think any traditional. Um but but I definitely look, I'mwriting a book now and there are passages where I feel like I'm writingabout, like, there was, I mean, I'm writing a book about a famous womanwho's surprised and and I had the scene where she's like, not as nice as me,and she was like, I don't want to sign people's stuff and I don't understandwhy anyone needs my autograph or whatever. And then I was like, I hopeyou have a little think I'm saying that, you know, because, you know, my careeris changing and um so look, there's some growing pains in that regard, butI am writing about people that I still...

...think are vastly vastly different frommyself, people with massive audiences and and and they need to tell a storyabout their lives that I love running about, but personally, I could not do,I'm really, really bad at any kind of acting or insincerity. Um you get whatyou get with me and you know, it's like I'm just hanging out at home with mydaughter trying to decide if I should go to Mcdonald's and that's kind oflike who I am and I'm not able to pretend to be glamorous and so um thereis some tension there, but in general, I think I I'm I'm much more boring thanmy project, so we we have live questions and people love timing infrom the audience. So Alison Hammer, who's one of our favorite authors and afriend of ours, she just rode in and says that she absolutely loves howinventive your story structures are. I think we we agree, and she asked whenyou're working on a book, do you set out to do something that's never beendone before, or this parts for me, or does it just naturally arise from thestorytelling, it's really important to me that I not do something that I'vedone before, I'm not um so bold as to think that I've done anything thathasn't been done before. Um I I really am just trying to make sure I don'trepeat myself, I'm challenging myself, I'm taking on something new, and alsoI'm trying to write a story that feels immersive I'm trying to feel a storythat feels like it's putting you in it and so what is the structure thatallows me to do that. Um and it may be a less conventional structure in orderfor me to put the reader there The way that I want to, so with Malibu rising,you know, it takes place over 24 hours. It's divided into each hour. Um, andthe reason for that is that I want you to feel like you're, you have thatfeeling of like the day before the party and I feel like, oh, the party'sstarting, we've got to get dressed, you know, and like I want you to feel like,oh, the party's just started. There's not as many people here and then it'slike, oh jeez, there's way too many people at this party, you know, like Iwant you to feel that and not just witnessed it from a distance. And soevery time I'm starting a book, it's how do I serve the story best? And I'mtotally open to that being something bonkers like, oh, an oral history of afake famous man, like it takes. That's what I'm going to do that. All right,We have another question from Renee Carruth Minton, She says, I hear yournext book will be set in the 90s. Can you tell us anything about it? I'malready excited for the next one. Well, I thank you, I love that. It is said inthe 90s and it's about a famous woman as I was saying earlier and um, I lookthere's not much more I can say about it. But I will say this, I see EvelynHugo daisy jones Malval rising in this next one as a sort of quartet that theyit goes together. These are my four stories about women living in thepublic eye. And there's a very specific type of woman that I have not writtenabout yet. And I am really enjoying writing about. She's um you know, it'sa it's a different sort of relationship with the public and I have had a lot offun digging into it. Oh, we are so curious man out. Okay. I think we couldall guess who she's writing about. Inspired by inspired by meg walker justsaid, yeah, no, here's what I think. And I wish, I thought, I mean, MarthaStewart, it's a good one. It she says that she looks away and drink up. It'sobviously not, it's obviously not Martha Stewart guys, grass. Oh,Courtney, somebody's messing. Courtney love. That is a great guess. It is notCourtney love. There's no, there's no corollary. It's not pretty either. ButGod, I would love to write that book. Sorry, that's why I won't becauseBritney has shown me and taught me such a valuable lesson that I feel like Ilearned time and time again, which is that nobody owns Britney's storybook,Britney that is stories about themselves. And look, if Britney wantsto tell her story, I will be first in line to buy it. I love Britney and Ilove Courtney love to and Courtney love...

...is um a really good guess. I would loveto do a Courtney love story as well. But again, Courtney Love is very goodat telling her own story. Yeah, good point. Yeah, that's true. Well, I wanted to ask something reallyquickly um that we just haven't quite gotten to yet, but I'm reallyfascinated by, we know you have to tv adaptations in the works. Um and weheard that daisy jones is in filming now. So can you tell us a little bitabout the process of bringing the book to the screen and how involved have youbeen in that? Yeah, I mean it's my involvement depends on the project. Sosometimes I'm really involved, sometimes I'm less involved and it alsohas to do with who I'm choosing to work with. What's incredible about daisyjones in particular is that, I mean, it's just like a dream. Um the teamsthat they put together for it is top notch and I chose the screenwriters inparticular, scott new center Michael Weber because I am huge fans of theirs.And um and so that one was, I just handed it over and they've done abeautiful job, a beautiful job. I called that new starter after meetingthe draft and I was like, I couldn't have asked for anything more. I reallycouldn't and it's a lovely, lovely feeling and so they were going to startshooting that soon. The cast is incredible. The music is so good. Thescripts are great. I'm like I can't believe I just can't believe I'mpinching myself but like I think I think it's great. I think people aregonna love it. Um Malveaux Rising was a book that just took me so much longerto write. It has so many different pieces in it that um I've stayed on asan executive producer on that one and so I'm helping to shape the directionof that story but I have to tell you again, we found just the mostincredible Writers. We have two women Liz Taylor and Amy Talking tonight. Wereally get the story, they get the character if they get what I'm tryingto do. My first conversation with Amy talking to one was like two hours andwe just couldn't stop talking about all the things that we had in common andthat we wanted to wanted this project to talk about. So I get to be moreinvolved in Malibu but to be honest I'm also not really needed Amy has got itjob and she's putting together just an incredible first episode at the momentand you know we'll see how things unfold from there. That's great. Wellwe can't wait, I can't wait. I'm so excited. I know we all can't wait towatch them. So okay Yeah. I also can't wait. I'm very excited. Yeah sure. Oursean just asked if you needed a composer, Composer mary Kay, do you wanna take over what,what am I supposed to ask? Weird, we're really polished here. I just got here,you know, so I know what I'm supposed to ask. Okay, um taylor every week welove to ask our author death Um for a writing tip and really what we justwant to know is how do we write a book that stays on the list for 10 weeks andthen and really gets sold to Hollywood, could you just like really quickly? Ithink any of you ladies need help. I think you're all doing pretty well. Umbut but I, I hear you on the writing tip, I think the thing for me um that Ihave had it, it's something that I've learned from reading some of the womenthat I just love, Madeline Miller comes to mind is a great example of which isyou know, write the story that only you know, how to write that uniquely youknow, you you are uniquely right for and and I think I've found that um inwriting about fame, I think I found my lane that thing that feels like I knowhow to do this and not everybody knows this world and I think what Madeleinedoes with greek myth again when we're talking about, you know, is like shehas a unique talent to understand both the classical mythology and theacademic aspects of what she's writing about and the ability to write animmensely readable, hugely emotional, tender Sophie great literary piece andso she is doing this thing that feels...

...like unapologetically who she is and Ishow up for that every time, even if it's a even if I was a person who'slike, I don't know if I like greek myth, you read Sir C and you are in the handsof the only person who could tell you a story that one out. So that's what I'mtrying to do. And with every next book I'm trying to think not just likewhat's a good idea, but what am I so excited about? Only I right now can dothis. Yeah, that's a good thing. I love that. Yeah, so that is a great tip andI'm just going to go off and write my next, you know, 10 weeks on the newyork times list bestseller immediately after this show. That sounds great.Only you could Right? Yeah, exactly. I should have it down by about three a.m.no problem. Taylor do you have a book you'd like to recommend that you'veread recently that you think we might like? I do. I um just finished I havebeen talking about this book to anyone that will listen to me. I think it isthe perfect book for people to read if they liked Malibu Rising and it's theperfect book for people to read if they're super into j lo and Ben Affleckright now, which is next called, The View is exhausting. It's by MichaelaConlin, uh sorry, that's not right. Michaela Clements and Anjali Data andit's about a list actress, she's got a scandal in order to whether her scandalin the public eye. She takes up with her like friend playboy, you know, oncecrush, um because the public loves it when they're together. And so the twoof them are gonna go on yachts all around wherever uh and try to look likethis is a real relationship to get her out of some hot water, but I wonder ifthat's what J Lo is doing. I know, I know, we don't know, we don't know.It's like kind of for Aniston and David Schwimmer after All the Friends whereyou been stunning. I don't know, but it's if that kind of stuff, if you liketo find out this book is just super cool, super fun. Just like just aknockout, awesome, great recommendation. Okay, all right, taylor, we have tohave some announcements and busy work, but you're not going anywhere pleasebecause we have another question for you, but saying with all of you outthere, but first we want to remind you all of you out there. One of myfavorite things that we do besides this live show is our podcasts and not onlyis the show of podcast, but every single friday we have a new writer'sblock podcast with our rock star Librarian Ron block and it is so muchfun and it's totally different from the show. So if you like hanging out withus here, you will love hanging out with us there. This past week, Ron talk to ytwo more and lisa Donovan about the art of writing memoirs and it was a reallypowerful episode. And this week Ron is talking to Monica West and wanda Morrisabout diverse voices in publishing and I've listened to both of those and youdo not want to miss them. Um So excited, those are going to be awesome. Alrightnow Book Club, you know, we talk about it every week, but if you are nothanging out with us yet in the Friends and Fiction Official Book Club, you aremissing out. So the group which is separate from us and is run by ourfriends, lisa Harrison and Brenda Gartner is now more than 8000 strong.So on sunday at Seven Eastern, the Book Club will be celebrating their one yearanniversary. Um And then on monday I will be joining them to discuss TheForest Vanishing Stars, my brand new novel. And on september 20th patty willbe joining to discuss one of her classic much loved novels. The bookshopAtwater's end. Yeah. And we want to remind you that our bookseller of theweek. This week is book soup in L. A. And for don't forget to check them out.Um they've got some deals and we hope that you will join us next week atseven. Uh we're gonna talk about debut novels and uh we love talking aboutdebuts, they're the newbies and you're going to meet our special guests a gunyou might have heard of, I don't know, lou diamond phillips. There you go.He's written a book, How cool is that job, Havert, Haggerty and AddisonArmstrong. Then in two weeks join us as we welcome Karin Slaughter who wrotethe best selling new novel false witness. I am reading it and it'skeeping me up. You know when you read Karin Slaughter, you don't dare closeyour eyes and when you have her on the...

...show but just be you, you be ready fora costume drama, that's all I can tell you. Um, also that same night how he'sgoing to share her trailer for once upon a wardrobe and you don't want tomiss that if you're ever wondering about our schedule because there's alot to keep up with. We can't even keep up with it all. It's always on thefriends and fiction website as well as a sidebar with events on our Friends infiction facebook page. Okay, last announcement, um you guys might haveheard that mary Kay patty and I all have winter books coming out this yearand if you want to be the very first to read them, make sure that you check outour winter Wonderland subscription box with Nantucket Book partners. Um you'llreceive the books just as they're released, they're all signed firsteditions along with a really awesome friends of fiction coffee mug and readsand hot chocolate that you cannot get anywhere else. It's availableexclusively through our friends and and tuck it Book partners. And and ofcourse tonight our friends at book soup are offering us 10% off Malibu risingin any of our new novels with the Code B. K. S. F. F. And that's 10% off. Getyour hands on Malibu rising if you don't have it yet. And uh think aboutthat winter Wonderland subscription box. I'm just saying uh I want to visit booksuit in the past couple times. I've been in L. A. I've meant to go andhaven't been able to go. So I'm putting that on my to do list. Yeah, taylor Iknow we talked a lot about your history and moving to Hollywood, but a questionthat I love that we all love and our listeners due to is a little bit ofinsight into why you became a writer, which is what were the values aroundreading and writing in your childhood and how do you feel like those mighthave translated into you becoming the writer that you are. Um you know, Ilove this question. And and part of the reason I love this question because Ithink a lot of times the answer is you know oh big readers more kids or uh youknow there's at least my mom's middle library week. Um That's not me. I wasput in front of the tv you know it was the last wow. Um And so I felt I fellin love with reading as a teenager. I I came to it. My grandmother loved toread and my mom actually loves to read. It was just you know you're a singlemom you got a lot to do you know? Um And so when I was a teenager my momstarted bringing me to the bookstore and I remember she would she would likepick out a book and and then I was like I don't know if I like it or not. She'slike can't because you're choosing those ones with those like fancy littlevague covers. She's like you go for V. C. Andrews, you go come on you know andshe really she really taught me um and my grandmother did to you know like howyou know you're just gonna get a knockout book. And so I came to it alittle bit later but have fallen in love with it all the same. Wait Icannot let you leave taylor until I ask you a burning question. That's burningin my heart. This is making me nervous time for me to uh We're all holding ourbreath. Okay what is your favorite Cary Grant movie? Alright that's very easyfor me to answer. It's an affair to remember. That's awesome. Okay, howabout yours mary. Kay, well I have a hard time between charade. Mm. Uh Wellcharade kind of says it all to me rate is a very good one charade and there's another, what's theother one? Oh gosh there's another one I'm sort of in that Audrey Hepburn. UmOh bringing up baby is greatly yeah, that's a little early for me though. Ijust love what I really love about charade is how much older he was then.Audrey Pepper and he knew it was inappropriate and you feel awkwardabout it but I think that made it more charming to me. It's just a great movie.North by Northwest is another one. It is, it's great. Yeah. Story. His girlfriday. I mean you can't you can't miss Yeah, I have a lot of movie watching todo. I was gonna say I don't have a pen near me. I'm like ok, I'll give you thelist. Okay, well thank You. And to everyone out there we really encourageyou to grab Taylor's new novel, Mallaby rising and how could you not with allyou just heard and hopefully from a book seller of the week book Soup thatis offering 10% off. So thank you so much for visiting us tonight. Taylor.It was such a treat. You were an amazing guy. Thank you for helping me.This is so cool You guys do and I'm just really flattered me included. Sothank you. Well, thank you have a great night. Thank I thank you. That wasamazing. All right. Everyone stick...

...around. We'll see you in a minute atthe sip and stay with story point after show in the summer of Story points. Saythat 10 times fast. Good luck at the same time. Same place as we welcome ourspecial debut novelists guests. That was great! Oh my gosh, that was soawesome. Thank you guys and welcome everyone to our sip into our storypoints, sip and stay after show the wine that loves stories as much as wedo. So I wanted to like her a lot and I do,I was really nervous because like she's one of those authors that like to me, Imean, I mean she is a celeb but you know how we just, they're differentauthors that hit us all different ways and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm hostingand but I feel the same patty is like sometimes you meet someone and you'relike, oh, she isn't as great as I thought she. Yeah, she is so great thatshe was one of my favorite, authentic. I felt like I was like leading a wholeshow to be like, okay, all right. I mean like this, I need to write thatdown. This is so great. Like it's probably one that I'll rewatch. Ithought she was an incredible guests. Yeah, I always say don't meet yourheroes. Yeah, sometimes your heroes don't disappoint you. Like when you metto graft in right? I think about that I met Sarah Jessica Parker. I wasterrified because I loved sex in the city so much. I was scared when I mether that she wasn't going to live up to buy huge expectations, but she wasfantastic. So yeah, I think we had that experience tonight with taylor. She wasfor sure Patty, do you have anybody like that? Like anyone that you werelike nervous to me? And then I do, I mean there's a couple of people, onewas Pat Conroy for sure, you know, um and then of course, you know we becamedear friends, but the other one was the singer Amy Grant, your immigrant and Iand I was in college. I mean I played her music until the tape broke baby. Ijust I okay, I'm not going for the high notes and I think um I mean I saw herat the armory and party, I saw her at the armory in Auburn when in 1982 Andshe's only a couple years older than me. So she was maybe in her 20's and ummeeting her is was you know, she is exactly what who and what she seems tobe and I loved that. That's awesome. How about you chrissy? Um this is going to make you laugh. butyou? Yeah, like when I became an author, you were one of my first, like, I mean,I truly remember like me like going to the event that we were doing andfinding out that I was doing a panel with you. And at that point, I mean, itwas only my first book, but I had done a lot of speaking events, it wasn'tnervous about speaking, but I was like, I can't be on a panel with paddy kellyand henri, like, I'll be too nervous and I'll say something stupid and youknow, whatever. And then and then fast forward two days and we were singingshow tunes on the floor of the hotel room and drinking champagne out of abottle out of the bottle. I mean, you know the rest is history. Yeah, Ididn't want to say anything, but she kind of lived up to my expectations. Iif you're going to tell the whole story and then go and you know what, youdidn't do it for me didn't happen. I mean, I forgot her name. I go, right,right, Kirsten telling me what, what's your name?Kathy Kathy Christie happy christmas, remember it was so funny. Like you werelike taking care of us because we had that long weekend and you were like,okay, here's your emergent, your vitamin C remember that I brought you aparent like that hilarious. It sounds like a great patty. Really? It wasreally hilarious. Huh? All right. Kristen we're dying to know. Did yousurvive the first day of kindergarten? Yes. Um You know, of course, likeanybody dropping their kids off at kindergarten the first day I was allteary after you get out of the car, right? Like I saved it till after hewas out of sight. Um, I was very emotional. He had a great first day. Hehopped right out of the car and walked in, no fear. I was so proud of him. Hehad a, yeah, he had a great first day and a great second day today. And it'sall going really well. Thank you for asking. How are you doing? Oh, I waslike a puddle of emotions on the floor yesterday. I was a disaster. But, butyou know what keep he's a great kid and...

...it's a great school and um, I'm so itcould not have turned out better so far at least. So the first two days aregreat. We've done it now and can we quit? Makes it because he has a greatmom. So you all remember the first day you dropped your kids off at school. Imean, mine was in the dinosaur age. I can hardly remember. I remember themore is an impression than like the actual physical. I remember that gutlevel feeling that she's talking about, but I don't and, but Christie you justdid it a couple of years ago. Yeah. Well, I actually really remember twoyear old preschool, like the very most like he did one of those little, youknow, two day weeks like programs or whatever. And the really hilariousthing was, I remember dropping him off and he was very uncertain and he reallydidn't want to go when he wasn't really sure. And then he ended up loving it.He had a great time. But the funny thing was they had a rule where youcouldn't like bring you, brought your snack or whatever, but you couldn'tbring like stuffed animals or levees or you know, because you would have to,they would have to keep up with them. And he was going through this hugemickey and Minnie phase. And so we lived really close to the preschool andso I'd stroll into preschool in the morning and he had his little mickeyand Minnie and I was like, no, we get to school. You know, we have to takehim home. And so I was like, just so upset. You know, when I left, I waslike, I am a little baby is too little. Like I shouldn't have done this isCarolina. And, and so I'm walking down the street with the stroller when myfriend stops and she's like, you know how you look right now with an emptystroller with a mickey and Minnie stuffed animal in it. Right. I juststarted dying laughing and it like totally, she was like, it's a littlesuspect, like someone's going to call the police. This is a, I guess it'samazing. I wish we had a photo of that. We have a photo actually we do, it'snot a can scratch it up. And there she took a photo and since I Andy, who isgoing to be 35 in september um, Katie, his big sister, who, who was four yearsolder, she went right off to preschool, you know, to run it basically to tellwhen he is what we do, what we do, let's have some charts. But Andrew notso much. And so, uh, he was in a mother's morning out and I was, I wasworking full time as a newspaper reporter. I had a housekeeper and soher, her job was to get to the house or pick him up from, pick both of them upfrom school and bring them home. And so um, the preschool, Katie had alreadygone through, she was four years old. And as I said, she came out of the womban adult. Andrew not so much. I got it. Oh and so I had been involved with theschool and I'd actually been on the little kindergarten or preschool board.I got a call from the school and they said, Kathy, you need to come yet.Andrew. And I said, oh my God, what happened? And they said, well, uh, hewon't stop crying. The only way he will stop crying is if the teacher holds himin her lap and it's hard for her preschool With, you know, 12 four yearold with Eleanor because he was convinced we were not coming back forhim. He was, he was thinking it was like taken or something. So his sisterloves to tournament with like dude, you flunked out of preschool. No. Oh sweetAndy but wait, we want to know about MK A vacay. How long you did so manythings like vacations in one. Hey, it's crazy. We've been trapped at home forso long. I just said, I want to go somewhere different. I want to, I want,I don't want to be hot and it was hot in New England. So we went to, we flewinto boston. I've never been to Fenway. I wanted, you know, tom loves makessense, liam Neeson to rescue Andrew from preschool. Uh, meg and you knowwhat? She's sitting there with her mom Kathy and that's probably from Cathy.Cathy's hanging her off. We flew into boston. We went through a red sox gameat Fenway. Um, but I have to tell you my favorite part. So we went to theIsabella Stewart Gardner Museum, you know where the big the art heisthappened. Um, which is why it was fascinating to me because they stolestuff And, but after after the game we left early because it's starting torain. We went for drinks and late dinner at the Fairmont Plaza, CopleyFairmont Plaza, you know right on Copley Square and it was so chic andfun and the the most delicious truffle...

...fries you've ever tasted. Then we wentto Nantucket and um went to Nantucket and we went to dinner and drinks at youknow Elin Hilderbrand House. We do have one that's the one that someone who was asum like I remember thinking wow, she's like really really nice the first time.I yeah, definitely. So um yeah we went to dinner and drinks at her house, itwas like being in a nancy meyer movie the whole time and did a signing atMitchell's with our darling tim um from Mitchell's and um that was great and wehave a you know we had some delightful dinners, had drinks with um nat Philbrick who is a friend of ofours and meg's, he writes amazing narrative nonfiction history books. UmSuch a great guy. We met his dog Dora and uh had lunch with Nancy Fair andher husband and then as one does and then tuck it and then we have drinkswith patty's agent. Uh Really? Yeah, so we did the whole and then we uh timfrom uh from Nantucket Book partners, very generously offered us his jeep andwe roamed around the island and got to places we wouldn't have gotten to see.So it was great. And we went we went back and went to a um Cape cod leaguebaseball game and it was like being in small pack patty and I both used to dothose games when we were kids. It's like being in small town America, youknow the seventh inning stretch, everybody stands up and things take meout to the ballgame and they raffled, they really made popsicles and popularand blanket, they raffled off a washer dryer as they do as you do. Which whichteam did you go see Kathy we are friend was helping coach the hyenas harborhawks. It was so we were in new Orleans, the Orleans card or the cardinals thatthere's the ones we used to go see to that is so funny. I know we're allconnected in 1000 ways. Somebody kicked Christy off. But I'm sorry, I feel likeyou're Nantucket vacation. Meg just wrote, MK takes Nantucket she came, shesaw she conquered. I mean when I saw the picture you and tim, I was jealousof yep, Ellen nat. But when I saw you having drinks with my agent, I mean Igot that stab of jealousy man, seriously Foma Well we had, we had funand we did discuss you and then we went to, we went to um southwest NewHampshire and stay nice. Stay with old friends from ST Pete who own an in andwe sat on the village green in this little town of Fitzwilliam and welistened to a traditional six piece irish band, Send us the shot of it withthe music. And I kept hitting, play, play play. So Christie just texted andsaid um that her computer just totally crashed. But Sean is saying that he hasthe picture, show it Sean. I got mad. Mad. I'm mad. But who is surprised thatChristie looks like a supermodel on her child's first day of preschool? I meanshe looks like the like a model of like model looking up madness. Oh my God, Ilooked like I was like one step away from being admitted to a mental asylum.Like an insane is look today stroller with making um any kind of does lendthat they're too does that for her. Yeah. Alright. Since we lost our leaderfor the night, I guess we should. But Kathy mary, Kay, Kathy, we missed youand I we loved living vicariously through you. The pictures were great.The B and B for sale. We just talk about the wine. My wine is out. That'swhy we have to have to go. We need some more story point. All right. And thisis you know, we have a pitiful way. Are they taking us out? Know what? I don't we're still here. Sowhat I just was going to say that um youknow what summer without some story point. Yeah, and some stories well. Andyou know, the chardonnay is so nice right now. But as we head into fall, wecan start sipping the red wine. Is the nights get a little bit cooler, right?I always worry with the red wine now...

I'm gonna spill it on myself or spillit on my nice cream colored carpet in here. This just, I'm always scared ofmy own self, but I love how that they want. Just blocking me out. There yougo, switch it out. Oh, all right, thank you Story point. Thanks y'all. This wasso much fun. It's really great. Alright, love you ladies. Night tonight we latergators. Yeah, thank you for tuning in, join us everyweek on facebook or Youtube Where our live show airs every Wednesday night atseven p.m. eastern time and please subscribe to our podcast and follow uson instagram. We're so glad you're here.

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