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Friends and Fiction with The Fab Five w/ pop-in by Cassandra Conroy

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The friends & Fiction authors gather to discuss the concept of legacy and what they as writers hope to leave behind with their body of work. They are joined briefly by novelist Cassandra King Conroy to discuss her recent memoir Tell Me a Story: My Life with Pat Conroy and how The Pat Conroy Lierary Center honors his legacy. Plus a special suprise gift presentation for Cassandra from her agent and her son! https://cassandrakingconroy.com/

Welcome to Friends and fiction. Fivebest selling authors Endless Stories, Friends and Fiction is a podcast withfive bestselling novelist whose common love of reading, writing an independentbookstores found them together with jets, author interviews and fascinatinginsider talk about publishing and writing. Thes friends discuss the booksthey've written, the books they're reading now and the art of storytelling.If you love books and you're curious about the writing world, you're in theright place. Bestselling novelist Mary Kay Andrews, Christine Harmel, ChristieWoodson, Harvey Patty Callahan, Henry and Mary Alice Munro are five longtimefriends with more than 80 published books. To their credit at the Start of the Pandemic, they gottogether for a virtual happy hour to talk about their books, their favoritebookstores writing, reading and publishing in this new unchartedterritory. They're still talking, and they've added fascinating discussionswith other bestselling novelists, so join them live on their friends andfiction Facebook Group page every Wednesday at 7 p.m. Eastern, or listenand view later at your leisure. Hi Hi, everybody. Welcome to Friends andfiction. Take Two Things is our weekly Facebook live show, featuring authorchats and support of independent bookstores. We're so thrilled, honoredand humbled to be here with almost 22,000 of you on this six months after,just after six months after our first show. I'm Christi Woodson Harvey. Mylatest focus feels like falling, and I will be your host tonight. I'm PattyCallahan, Henry, and my latest novel is becoming Mrs Lewis and hi, I'm MaryAlice Munro, and my latest novel is on Ocean Boulevard. I'm Mary Kay Andrewsand my latest, his Hello Summer. I'm Christine Harmel and my latest is theBook of Lost Names, and this is friends and fiction. Welcome. We are sograteful for all of our amazing guests. But I have to say that I really have asoft spot for these just US weeks when we really get to delve into morepersonal questions a little bit more about, you know each of us and feellike we really get to know you guys out there in our friends and fictionuniverse. And, of course, is always we're teaming up with a favoritebookstore this week. This week is one of my personal favorites, South MainBook Company in Salisbury, North Carolina, which is where I'm originallyfrom, Um, and it has been a fixture in downtown Salisbury for my whole lifeand much longer than that and under several different name iterations, buthas been a real fixture of our downtown for decades. Elissa Redmond and herdaughter, Margaret, moved to Salisbury right before the pandemic to purchasethe bookstore. And through all the turmoil she has done the most amazingjob of creating and continuing a sense of community there. I was there acouple of weeks ago, signing stock with Alyssa and my mom, and we all decidedthat visited South Main feels like you're visiting with family. So tonightshe's offering a discount on many of our titles online and 10% off in storewhen you mentioned friends and fiction. So we'll drop the link in the Facebookpage. But thank you to to Elissa for all she does for our community. Andthanks to all of you at friends and fiction who support these incrediblestorage that are truly the heartbeat of our town, the stores like South butmain book company are such integral, vital parts of the fabric of thiscountry and in print, something so lasting onto each of us. Which bringsme to our topic for this week. I did an interview recently with Alicia magazineand the publisher, who is, incidentally, one of the best interviewers I haveever encountered asked me what I wanted my legacy to be. No one had ever askedme that before, and it sort of stopped...

...me in my tracks. I'm kind of ashamed tosay that it isn't something that I really thought that much about, whichis especially odd because my next book under the Southern sky is all aboutlegacy. So I know we normally begin with an easy chat. But since we'rewelcoming our special guest, Cassandra Conroy, in just a few minutes CassandraKing Conroy. In just a few minutes, I thought we should dive right in. So,ladies, I'm going to turn it over to you. What does legacy mean to you? Andwhat lasting impression do you want to leave on the world? I feel like that'sa big question. Um, how do you do You want to start? Sure. Um, when I saw youwere gonna ask that I was like, Oh, have I ever thought about that? Whatdoes that even mean? What is the legacy? There's not gonna be a Patty Callahanliterary center like What does it mean? You don't know? Uh, so I want to run anessay because I was asked why I write, and I don't think it's that I've everthought about many legacy. I actually think more about what I want my nextstory to be about than I do what I want. Full body of work to say. Um, but I cansee this. I know. I want my legacy to be that I want write stories that leaveothers to, um, or open life, um, or open heart or, um, or honest life. WhenI think about that, I think about stories I want to tell because they'reworth telling for those reasons. I don't usually think about the wholelegacy, but what the reason? I want to tell that story. Um, I think we seeourselves in a story, and we look for ourselves in a story, and I want peopleto find their braver, better self in My story will move towards that. That'snice. That's that's a beautiful answer. Mary. Alice, What about you? I thinkit's a little different for me because 20 years ago, you know, I know it, Iwant the legacy to be and I feel like after 20 years I've done it. And thatwas when I did an environmental and effort to make a difference with theenvironment. And it's been a serious 20 years, 20 some books and I don't knowif they'll be read in another 20 years from now. But at least I feel that inmy lifetime I really made an effort in a decision to say I think books canmake a difference in life. We can all make a real difference. Each one of ourbooks makes a difference in personal lives, and for me it would be for theenvironment. So for me, that's it. You know, it's something I'm aware of, butI feel like I'm ready to. I've done it, you know? It's like I'm sort of readynow to play a little bit with the next books. E You deserve that, Christian,what about you? Such a hard question and I've been thinking about it sinceyou mentioned that we were going to talk about this on day. I'm still notsure. I have a great answer. Um, you know, because I I don't think aboutthat when I sit down to write I you know, I don't know that any of usnecessarily do each time, you know, as we're writing, but I don't know, Iguess when I look at the work I've done recently, it Z it's been about theHolocaust, and it's been about World War Two. So I hope you know that maybewhat people take away from what I'm doing now is just that memory of wecan't forget, You know, we can't forget and we have to learn from our past. Um,and I'm certainly not alone in reminding people of that. And I lovethat There are reminders all around us of that that you know that there aremany people writing about World War Two. There are Holocaust survivors stillspeaking out. I mean, those stories are still out there, but, you know, I thinkthat's a piece of it. Just that reminder. But also, you know, I've beensaying this lately. A lot in chats. Um,...

...some of the virtual chats I'm doing, Ithink the thread that runs through a lot of my stories is that we all haveit within us to be extraordinary. Um, as ordinary as we may feel we are. Weall have the capacity to be extraordinary. I feel like I've saidthat 1000 times in virtual chats. But maybe that's something I'd like peopleto take away from my books. And remember that you don't need anythingspecial to make a difference in the world. You just need to be you. I thinkthat's important, Christian. What you just said about the Holocaust is toremind people Yes, it happened. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. E mean, As the yearsgo by, I feel like its slipping further from my memory. So yeah, it isimportant. Yeah. Mary Kay. What about you? You know, I would love for mylegacy to me that I told stories that were full of heart and full of humor ongun. I think about the bookshelf behind me Has a lot of my novels almost 30 now,and I don't think that them is. You know, I last night I was thinking, Oh,my God. I have almost 30 books in the Library of Congress s so cool e Don'tthink about them is I s p n numbers. Yeah, number that's, you know, on thespine, people think about the characters. I would like my legacy tobe the characters that my book of life and so well, I do library events.People tell me, Oh, my gosh, I wish you would do another Callahan Garrity MrDid eight of those or people would say, you know, I want another easier baby or,um, people talk to me about the Diane, um of Josephine and the High Tide Club.So I would love it if my legacy were that I gave people stories that madethem laugh, made them connect with each other, maybe made them think about youknow what? People tell me this. I always get your book when I go to thebeach every summer and I look forward and I know yeah, I know summer is goingto start when I when I see one of your books and so that that's all the legacyI need. I mean, I have I have Children and grandchildren there, my riel, fleshand blood legacy. But I love it. If if people would say Yeah, I love thosestories. I love those characters. Yeah, just not such a good point. But I'msorry, Christians. No, no, no, no, no. Go ahead. Go ahead. I was just gonnasay, I think I've taken for granted. I think something that the pandemic hasshared me really is that I've taken people's happiness for granted. Likejust this simple act of giving someone a few hours of joy like that was justsomething that I didn't really consider that important. And I think now, youknow, after seeing what people have been through and seeing what books havemeant to people, especially now, just the mere simple fact of making someonesmile for a few hours is e. I love that idea of being part of people's memories.I mean, if every year you go on your beach vacation and before you go, youpick up the latest Mary Kay Andrews like that's a part of everybody. Likethat's a part of summer. They'll remember for the rest of their lives. Ithink that's always begins with M K. And that's right, E. Well, that isamazing. And speaking of legacy A. So we've mentioned we have a specialtopping guest tonight, Cassandra King Conroy, who is going to tell us alittle bit about her new memoir? Tell me a story of my life with Pat Conroy.E can't figure out how to get out of the dark i e o e The story of my liferight there closer to the screen so we can see your pretty face. Oh! Oh, God,no, them have thio. Uh, Well, in...

...addition to her new book, we're hopingthat Sandra will tell us a little bit about how she is carrying Pat Conroy'slegacy forward with the Pat Conroy Literary center. Eso Cassandra, Welcome.We're so excited to have you. And I know I speak for all of us when I sayjust how moving and charming and funny, um, in all the right places, this bookreally is. Well, thank you. Thank you so much. Um, yeah. I didn't have anysort of agenda, you know, as such. When? When I when I wrote the memoir a sadfact. I didn't even in 10 to write a memoir at the time. I was actuallyworking on Cem. Cem recipes some stories when patent, I cooked togetherfor for a cookbook that I was doing. And, uh, in telling those stories, Irealized that that's what I wanted to do. I want to tell our story of of ourtime together, and and so that's you know, that's pretty much how have thememoir came about, but one e think something's even if we don't intendthem. If we don't set out and say, Oh, I'm going to do sewing so with thisbook or I'm going to make everyone you know feel such and such a way oranything like that I was hearing some of your conversation earlier, and Idon't I don't no this but I don't think any of us really set out with thosekinds of things in mind. I certainly don't but and in some ways I guess Iwas. I waas sort of keeping Pats legacy alive through this book on, I think wedo this. We keep all legacies alive by telling stories. You know, that, Z, Inever would have considered its one time. I would have had a of a fight, Iguess, with my wonderful editor who I've not had a single crossword with.But if she had wanted to change the title off my story, I would have foughtfor because that's that's what I wanted to be. Tell me a story. Uh, becausestorytelling and especially these days, is so very important, it is the waythat we carry on legacies. Uh, there's nothing my kids loved better than toget their grand parents to tell them, you know, about growing up when theycame along and and things like this. And now my grandkids, you know, do thisa z Well, so I think that's, you know, telling telling our stories on tellingother people's stories. So, Christian, you were you were talking about. Idon't You know, we have our own personal stories. Uh, but I think themore that we hear some of these stories, whatever the voice comes from, maybe,you know, we, uh you can't say Well, this was a personal experience from me,but I experienced it through reading about it like like, you know, theHolocaust or some some of these things that happened. And, uh and I want toshare. You know what it said to me, how it spoke to may, Uh, and this thinnesshanded down and handed today and you did it so beautifully. I mean, you wereso honest and moving and funny, but I...

...felt I always need to people. I feltlike I was just sitting on the couch with you, Sandra, and we're just heardstories and I didn't care before. It was really personally I was hoping for.That was now that waas what I was, you know, kind of hoping for a smokeconversational. Um, for one thing, Pad has been written about S o many times,and there's so many different ways. There is an official sort of biographycoming out in a few years about him. There's been other other books written,written about to him and studies and, you know, this sort of thing. But noone really had the story that I that I had helped eso I wanted it to bepersonal and and just Aziz, though we were just sitting down and someone said,Well, how did you meet? Pattern? You know what happened when you were seeingeach other? And how did you end up getting together after becoming friendsfor two years? You know, before we ever even thought of each other's anythingother than friends and so forth. So So I just I wanted, uh I want Thio havethat approach. Yeah, it's wonderful. I think you you really did all of thatand more. Um, Mary Kay, I think you had a question for Cassandra. Uh, sand, Youknow, we're talking about legacy tonight, and you've done You've done anincredible job creating such a lasting one for Pat Conroy. Can you tell usbriefly about the work that you're doing with the Pat Conroy LiteracyCenter? Because I built There are folks who don't know about it. Who would loveto know about it? Okay, I'm gonna scoot backwards and see if I can get more inthe light here. Just going. So Okay, five here. Don't worry. You're okay.You're good. Oh, now you're low. That's better, isn't it? Yeah, that's good.Well, I won't reach for it now. I'm out of the lamp. The 12 after, uh, after pat Pat died. Um, youknow, there was a lot of conversation about how, how to what was a fittingmemorial for him and the city of Buford discussed, um, putting up a statue ofhim in the waterfront park, which is a beautiful place downtown. Those of youthat have been to be for no. And every time I go the waterfront park, you know,I just think, Oh, this would be so great. Except for one thing I had I hadto tell them No, no, they couldn't do that. Should have, Uh uh. But I didn'ttell them the reason because, uh, one time Pat and I were traveling and wewere in some small town in in New England And honestly, do not rememberwho the writer waas but were wandering around in their town square. They had aIt's more statue of a well known writer. I'll just say it's Nathaniel hartal.Whoever. No. Yeah. Pets said don't ever let them do that. E o. And I said, oh,okay. Said it would just give the critics the pigeons a chance to do whatthe credit has been doing. E you know, it was it was e. I really thought thathe was he was such a man of action. Hey, could never here of, uh, you know,unjust cause or anything like that...

Without he, he was a warrior's heartwithout wanting to, you know, go after he would write letters to the editor hehad here about a book being banned or, you know, school board banned a book,and here he would dio hey, would go charging after on. He started that. Imean, this very first book he wrote, hey, went after the school board, costhim his his job, and he never he never talked again. Um, then he went afterhis school. He went after the brutality of family violence. Um, and, uh, thesall these different issues men, mental illness in the family that isn't thatswept under the rug and not talked about. And an embarrassing for somefamilies and so forth, not for path, you know, if he could if he could dosomething. And he did that through his writing and through through tellingstories. So when, uh, it was suggested that maybe we should have a ah literarycenter as a way of carrying on this is an action base sort of way of carryingon, uh, Pats pets legacy? Uh, some of us got together then to organized. Weclaim a nonprofit, and, uh, this was it's four years ago. Now it will be notquite four years, but but I'm gonna send a since we started a literarycenter downtown, Buford, And we've had this amazing outreach. Um, our directortravels all around, you know, uh, get presenting programs about pets, legacybooks and so forth. But we Pat will never wanted to be just about him. Hey,who want? He was known for helping other writers. He was a mentor for somany other ones. He may have been for some some of you. I know he waas. Yes,I know on just so many others. So I mean, we we have these writingworkshops and retreats and we have a at Camp Conroy for kids. We, uh, look atall sorts of issues. You know, that important folks today. Social justiceand racial, you know, issues in the community and healing just so many somany things like that that were, but and we're a new organization were we'rebeginning to do all these things that that we've set our hearts and minds.I'm doing carry on this legacy that really is That is just incredible. Andpatty, I think you have a question for Cassandra, actually that Will you tellus where you are, Patty? Really quickly. Before you asked Cassandra yourquestion, I was going to say What is so fascinating? So you know how much welove Indies? And I got in a jam on time tonight. So the main thing JessicaOsborne, who owns and runs the shaver booksellers e and I am broadcastingfrom E shavers tonight. And Cassandra, this is the last store Pat ever signedat. Ah, yes, it is. I feel like I'm gonna cry. Like how serendipity is that?Yeah. Jessica just leaned over to me and said, This is the last story heever sent E No. So, Cassandra, I have a big question for you. Are you ready fora huge surprise? Yes, E think,...

...uh, there's someone at the door. Who isit? Oh, okay. Okay. Let me entreat. Sneaking around on you, Cassandra. Uhoh. Everyone. Marley. Marley grew saw who is not only Cassandra's literaryagent and was Pat Conroy's literary agent. But it's also my literary agent,and she is the co founder of the Pat Conroy Literary Center. Because you seeCassandra behind your back. We including the fact five here and MaryAlice jumped on board and we have been plotting and raising money for thecenter e. I know that there was a day when you and Pat fell in love and Patpromised you I'm not gonna cry a room of your own. I'm already getting there,so and then gave you a room of your own at your house on the title River andview for and now we, the Fab Five and a few others want to do the same for you.So, Marley, take it away, Cassandra and all of you and all of you at home orwherever you are listening to this, Sandra, you know that Pat believed thatevery voice mattered and that it's actually become pretty much of ourmission statement. He also believed, as I know you dio, that reading andwriting and shared stories actually can help heal a broken world. Hey shinedhis light on so many dark corners and in many cases his readers would tell usthat he saved their lives. That's really true. So But we're so proud tobe able to announce that a new education office at the Pat ConroyLiterary center will carry your name. It will be the Cassandra King ConroyEducation Office of the Pack Congress Center. Thistle Groom will help uscreate more innovative programs around storytelling and to impact the lives offuture generations of Children and the elderly. It's going to be, um,something that we can all look back on with great pride. So I want to alsoannounce that today is the beginning off our capital campaign. We have toraise a lot of money to buy this building in January. If you want to seea picture of the building, you go on our website www dot pat conroy literarycenter dot com, where you're encouraged to donate. But this is the beginning.Today is the day that we will begin the campaign, and it's a day that we'regoing to honor you, Cassandra, for everything that you've done for so manyothers and that you continue to do every day. Um, that also said that words are pretty.Yeah, he said that we should pay attention to those who perform. And soI want to thank especially the five women of friends and fiction. But beingthe first to step up to the plate when we said we needed help. I also wantThio. Thank Hattie Callahan, Henry and Mary Alice for helping me extend thereach to other women novelists. So this room will have a plaque with the namesoff friends and novelists, other women who also have cherished a room of theirown, as you were given by Pat and we are now giving to you. I'm going toread the list of the women who have contributed. I've got to get my clinics.I'm sorry. A next break. Take a clean next break. Okay. Are you ready,Cassandra? Okay. Among the group of the...

...group of writers whose names willappear on a plaque on the Cassandra King Connery Room. Mary Kay Andrews.This is alphabetical guys. So Mary Kay Andrews, Sandra Brown, Barbara andTravis Haggerty, Christian Harmel, Hattie Callahan Henry Christie Woodson Harvey Bren McLean, Laura Lane McNeil Mary Alice Munro, Delia Owens, Janice Owens, Kathy Reichs, Valerie Steyer's andbring it up. The end is Susan surrender. Um, any of you out there, um shouldknow that going to the home page of friends and fiction will give you alink to our website tonight. But the work that we can do couldn't be moreimportant. Especially now when the world feels as though we may never beable to knit it back together. But all of you are storytellers, and I put myfaith in the storytellers of creating a future that is inclusive and makes theworld ah safer in a better place in in our future. And, Cassandra, what aspecial thing to be able to offer this honor to you. There is nothing that can play with eto the women was very select group, and they all each of them were so thrilledand delighted to participate in the special room for you. Cassandra Marleysaid their names will be on a plaque in the Cassandra King room, and I like tothink of it as the women's room. There is one special donor. Wait. Yes, E o sacross the prize. And you have a beard? Yeah. Look how good looking he is. Ethought I was in the wrong. I thought this was a supermodel. Convention e no,not just me. So, you know, on behalf of me and Jason and Jake, a swell as Lizand the girls. We are happy to make help make this come true. Thanks. Also,Thio tomorrow and all the all you ladies for putting this together also,You know, one of your biggest fans now is Ken eso. He was thrilled tocontribute as well. My brother in law Ken Wall here in Houston. So we'll haveIt's mostly ladies A from there in fine print on a footnote would also be a fewof the boys. Uh, that gray. So I'm thrilled this is such a great idea. Andmost of you may not know that, you know, Mom and I got our master's degree atthe same time because we're simply the same age s e O s o. Then The reason forsuch a delay in that was because Mom had nowhere to write and as growing upway would never give her five minutes...

...alone to do anything, much lessconcentrate on writing. So a soon as she got rid of all of us and was ableto focus and then probably got some space here and there she was able Teoh,right, making waves and Zion on. And that was her master's degree. And I gotat the same time. So our professional tracks have taken off in parallel. Andnow you've got a room of your own, um, at home and now at the literary center.So it's really great. Uh, thank you all so much for doing this for for her. AndAnd we love you, Mom. Oh, uh, moving. I've never been so shocked. I mean,seriously e a secret. No one spilled the beans. I'm shocked that no secret,Marley. That's why Jim has talked to me lately. E let alone this'll was trulywonderful gym and your brother's. Thank you so much for participating and foreveryone. Marli, Thank you for coming, Charlie. Thanks for coming on. Uh, edoing That s so much. My good. Wow. I mean, that really is. I think, you know,talking about legacy. Just having that many people who love you e want to dothis for you. I think that that's a legacy right there. Just to have thatmany people that want toe give you a special day. So we're so appreciativeto be a part of it. And we're so glad that you came on to tell us a littlebit about the center. And for anyone who's wondering, there is moreinformation on our Facebook page and we will keep everybody updated as theprogress continues. Well, you totally surprised me andthank you all. I'll never thank you enough. I'm I'm just so we love you. Welove you. I love you way we're going to kick you out But we love you. Talkanymore anyway. Way you know, of course, you gotta figure out how to leave. Isee. But you all have Thio when your new book comes out When you when youwhen you go out? And I'm supposed to say that the paperback of my book iscoming out November the tent Good for you. So on that note. So while you'refiguring out that I'm going to tell everyone it hit me when Jim was on thathe is a doctor. Her son Jim, and he is a specialist in Alzheimer's. And he wasinvolved in Alzheimer's research. And he is the one I interviewed when Iwrote the favorite daughter away. The information about research and thedrugs that were coming up and all that kind of stuff. So that's cool. I e alot of serendipity tonight. A lot of Sandra. Yeah, No kidding. Wasn't thatbeautiful? Who? That was wonderful. It was really special to be a part of, andI don't really know how to follow that up, but we're We're just gonna be Oh,baby. But that was that was incredible. And it was really special to get to bea part of it. We're gonna take a couple of really quick reader questions Wererunning a tiny bit long tonight, Um, especially for their tech difficulties.But I just wanted to remind everyone that South Main book company inSalisbury, North Carolina, is offering 10% off of all of our books online andin store when you mentioned friends and fiction and there's a link under ourannouncements on Facebook. Um, Kristen, would you like to ask us a questionfrom a reader? Yes. So my first question is, why is this the firstnight on friends and fiction? I decided to put on eyeliner like What is it withme? A little right? What? It Except to that, you know, I was coming. Kristen,I forgot everything. Okay. Sorry. So the reader question is from BarbaraEliska. Whoa. Check what would be the...

...one piece of advice wisdom you wouldwant to leave for your Children. Something for them to always remembereither about you or about themselves. I think that's a great question. AndBarbara, I'm sorry if I pronounced your name incorrectly. Anybody e love it like I'm hosting andno other questions we're going to be. And like, I haven't really thought ofmy Christian. Who do you want to take him first? Yeah, sure. Okay, So the onepiece of advice or wisdom I would want to leave for for my child, you know, Ihave the sense that she's talking about just kind of in our personal lives, notattached to our books. And for me, I would say that one of the things I sayoften to Noah is it's nice to be successful, but it's better to be nice.So I feel like that's kind of the piece of advice I want him to remember,because I think that we live in a society that's so success oriented andwe're your accomplishments are counted and you know your money is counted andall of those things. But at the end of the day. All we have is what's in ourheart. And that's something I try to reinforce to him as often as I can,because I think it's an important thing for Children to remember, but importantthing, an important thing for all of us to remember that at the center ofeverything is just kindness and and the way you greet the world in the way youtreat the world. You know, I have Thio Echo that that was exactly what I wasgoing to say. I'm sorry. It's probably a universal, you know, for you to bekind, especially today with the pandemic, you know, being mindful ofothers and everything. It's, um you know what is? It's such an importantlesson that the world doesn't revolve around you. It revolves, you know, it'swhat you can give to others. So I just echo what you say. That's what I'vealways told my kids and not the lie, never it up with you. Wait a minute.But what are the five of us I'll do for a living? Don't we all lie for a livinggetting e? We make things up. There's a E, not as we do kids every day. Whatabout you? I would love for my kids and my grandkids to figure out how to betrue to themselves on and not to follow. Um, not to follow the mob, not tofollow what everybody else does. But toe listen, Thio their inner voices,which hopefully we have reinforced, uh, And I guess I'm thinking about what mymother used to say. Which was, you know, remember who raised you. Yeah, you know,they would. When we would mess up, there were five of us. You know, mymother or father would say we didn't We didn't raise you like that. Hmm. I Iguess I would just, like, smack him upside the head and said, Remember whoraised you? That's awesome. Taken one patty. Yeah, she stole mine. But whathappens a lot She gets him like you're and she looks at my nose a funny one,and it's actually me and she zero right into your bomb. Great. E would if I hadto. Besides, call your mom, which is keep giving to them since they're grownand gone. Come home for the holidays like that's it. But don't bring themYeah, but don't bring your long they dio bring it. If you're gonna come home,just come home anyway. If there was only one, and I I echo Cathy. I know itsounds trite, but I tell them all the time I've written them all a letterwhen they graduated from high school and we're heading to college. And if wepursue what others expect of us instead of what our individual souls call for,we won't give the world the gift that we are and we have to pack up. Eventhey have to pack up my expectations to Dad's expectations. Right? Um and, youknow, my daughter lives in Hawaii and...

...is on a different path than I ever was,but at the same time, that's what I told her to follow what your soul callsfor and not what other people expect of you. So we tell them that, and thenit's hard to swallow, but yeah, So I'm gonna remember not to tell, will thatI'm gonna be like, just do whatever your mom says. Yeah, Your heart. No.Yeah, yeah. Those air. All really amazing pieces of advice. Okay. Andladies, this is so terrible. we have so many more great things to talk about.But I feel like we need to skip ahead because we're running a little longtonight, so I think we're just gonna have to skip straight to announcements,Unfortunately, because I really wanted to hear all sorts of other things. Buthow can you remind us about our new podcast and how people can listen? Yes.So our podcast, We're really excited about this, and we have some excitingthings coming up later. But you can listen toe every episode on our podcast,and they're slowly filtering in and you can listen to them on wherever youlisten to podcasts, Um, whether it's on your iPhone or even on the computer.And now Amazon has podcast and they're free and you can listen toe otherepisodes. I know sometimes you all are looking on our page for old episodes,and they're hard to find, and you can find them on the podcast and justlisten to them in the car or while you're walking or wherever you are. Awesome. Um, Mary Kay, we have got somereally exciting things coming up on Sunday next week. Can you tell us alittle bit about that. Yeah, well, we Sunday we're gonna have Viola shipment,and I know you're seeing that picture of a guy. But in real life, Viola isthe incredible Raid Wade Rouse. And he'll be telling us about his latestbook, The Heirloom Garden, and what's coming next for him and as a specialtreat and attribute Wade, who has interviewed many a real housewife forPeople magazine. We're all going to debut are really housewife tagline onIt's done a drama. Yeah, I'm uneasy thing for five writers. It was not. Itwas a lot on born, um, We've got a super exciting first time thing thatwe're doing right, Sean? Are you going to show us that graphic? Oh, wait. Afan. A boy. So Sean rocks the world way. Yeah, she's the savior of the universeTonight show on it over us tonight. Sounds like out. Yeah are so excited.The friends and fiction. So what's going on? The virtual road and ourfriends at Page and Palate and Fair Hope Alabama are handing over the reinsto us, allowing us to play hostesses at their virtual launch event. For one ofI think all of our idols. That's Fannie Flagg celebrating her highlyanticipated new novel, The Wonder Boy of Whistlestop, So we really can'tstress strong enough. We want you to join me. Mary Kay Andrews, PaddyCallaghan, Henry Mary, Alice Munro, Christine Harmel, Christie WoodsonHarvey. Thursday, November 12 6 PM Central time Which is What Time is it?A. 77 Heaven Yeah, numbers Don't Let ever Let me new members as well. Livelyinterview in discussion with the beloved actress comedian in AcademyAward nominee and New York Times best selling author uh was fried greentomatoes at the Whistlestop Cafe and Purchase, and Fanny's new book fromPage and Palate is required to attend, and I really want to. Stress is to you.Um, the zoom link will be emailed after you purchase your book at the store andyou'll get a autograph book so go toe.

You'll find the link on our website. Goto page and palate and reserve your space. Now you do not want to missFannie Flagg. I've interviewed Flag and you do not want a experience that youwanna mess. I'm super excited. I'm uber Yeah, right now. Kristin, can you tellus about our amazing episode next week. Yeah, gosh, I feel like we have so manyexciting things going on. E. I'm kind of impressed. We sound prettyimpressive. Cool E other hanging with the cool kids. So we are excited towelcome Brit Bennett next week. She, of course, is the author of one of themost talked about books of the summer, the number one New York Timesbestseller. The Vanishing Half. So we also have a little surprise in storefor you. So I will just say that next week's episode will be like no episodeof friends and fiction you've seen so far. So mark your calendars now and besure to join us next Wednesday, November 4th, right here at 7 p.m.Eastern cannot wait. I love that book so much. I mean oh my God, about talktobrilliant, powerful. Exactly. Mary Alice. Speaking of that was a good timeto start. Can you please remind us one more time about our bookseller of theweek? Yes. Hold on, E What? I know where it is, but it's been such a crazynight. Its's been a crazy South Carolina. And remember, everybody isoffering 10% of all our books in person and online. And the link Don't forgetyou'll find it. If you go to our Facebook page, the link will be in ourgroup. And if you're lucky enough to stop by this charming store in personjust mentioned friends and fiction. All right, ladies. Well, that was I think Iwas one of my favorite shows. That was so great. I'm kind of a Clement e.Don't forget to tune into a special bonus episode on Sunday at 5 p.m. onour Facebook page and register a page and palate for Fanny And thank you,Thio Each one of you So much for tuning in each week We're so grateful for yoursupport of our books on us Just people. And we hope that you feel how muchwe're supporting you and love you right back. Oh, wear a hat. So could I. EHappy Halloween, Everyone way in our in our tech thing tonight way when youguys go vote go vote right way Our next episode Okay, Voting. I mean I know youall know that, but it's important. So very serious. Thank you. You have youall voted Yes, I have Thio. Yeah, Tom and I voted absentee. And then heinsisted that we put stamps on the absentee ballot before I dropped it inthe county. Dropbox Just That's just okay, Justine Keay. Alright, Bye. Right. You've been listening to the friendsand Fiction podcast. Be sure to subscribe to the friends and fictionpodcast wherever you listen. And if you're enjoying it, leave a review. Youcan find the friends and fiction authors at w w w dot friends andfiction dot com A swell as on the Facebook group page. Friends andfiction come back soon. Okay? There are still lots of books writing tips,interviews, publishing news and bookstores to chat about goodbye.

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