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Episode 27 · 1 month ago

WB S1E27: Amy Phillips and Chef Stuart O'Keefe

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WRITERS' BLOCK: Comedian Amy Phillips and Chef Stuart O'Keefe talk with Ron about the delectable cookbook parody the two have put together. They also talk about their mutual adoration of anything Real Housewives!

...like the marinated kebabs in thebathroom, right? Like that recipe like you know like we actually wentdownstairs and actually shot that in the bathroom and I was like wait,that's so weird but I'm like the type of the recipe it comes from the showwhen she says that across the table were like no, it's just being there inthe bathroom lisa please, how could you? And Kyle is like, are you kidding meright now, lisa seriously and of course it's like rina, I have kids, are youserious? It was epic moments, was brilliant. Welcome to the Friends and fictionWriter's Block podcast. Four new york times, bestselling authors, one rockstar librarian and endless stories joined mary Kay andrews, Kristin,Harmel, Kristy, Woodson, harvey and Patti Callahan Henry along with Ronblock as novelists, we are four long time friends with 70 books between usand I am Ron block. Please join us for fascinating author interviews andinsider talk about publishing and writing if you love books and arecurious about the writing world you are in the right place. Welcome to a delicious and hystericalepisode of Friends and fiction Writer's Block podcast. We continue to explorestorytelling in all its many forms and today we're really going out therebecause we're going to explore through cooking cookbooks and comedy. My guesttoday are the authors of a brand new hilarious cookbook cook it, spill it,throw it the not so real housewives parody cookbook. I know we're going tohave an absolute blast with our guests and authors of this amazing cookbookStuart o'keeffe and amy phillips before we get going, I'm going to tell you alittle bit about them so that you're all set, the stage is set for them tocome and join me and we're going to take it from there. First StuartO'keeffe is an irish born California based chef and best selling author, heappears frequently on tv starring in food network shows such as PrivateChefs of Beverly Hills and Let's Eat and he has appeared as a judge onchopped in addition to numerous appearances on today and Rachel ray,where he offers fun, simple recipes to get home cooks into the kitchen. Hisfirst cookbook, the Quick Six fix was released in 2000 and 16 byharpercollins. Say that quick, my next guest is Amy phillips who is a comedianand radio personality from grosse pointe michigan, she's currently livingher best life in Los Angeles. Amy honed her skills at Wayne State Universityand at the American Academy of Dramatic Arts in new york city before studyingimprov at Second city Detroit Chicago, in the annoyance theater, she combinesher love for reality tv and parody with her celebrated real housewives andother celeb imitations which are a regular feature on bravo tv's watchwhat happens live with Andy Cohen Amy currently recaps, all things bravo tvand beyond on her Sirius XM radio show on radio Andy reality checked. Welcome to of you, this is like I'mgoing to try not to fan out out here. I'm just so excited to talk to you. I'mexcited to talk to you. Oh my gosh! Thank you so much for having us. What anice marriage. My pleasure. And you know, isn't it? But I'm going to startwith just the book. I know you, the people are listening can't see thisbook, but this book is the whole package. It's everything. It'shysterically funny. I got an early copy as soon as I opened it and saw the eggsahlu francais recipe Stewart's favorite. You have to go there right now. Justlike with the people that are listening, like basically there's a photographwith me in a wig and a robe and sunglasses. We have to start it off.Right. Yeah, that's how we enter. Uh we had to do it. And and I also want tosay to that anybody, this is not just a joke cookbook at all. Because inaddition to the comedy and the just the sheer joy that you're going to get fromit. The recipes are brilliant. I have made several things out of it alreadyand it is to die for. I can't wait to hear. And of course I want to hearabout those. Oh yeah, Well, I mean we're dying to hear. Yeah. Experience.I started small with scared. No, no, no, no, no, no. I started out small withyou stole my goddamn house salad, lovely. Solid. Right, right. I don'tlove the name of it too. And I just...

...that's hysterical. The titles of therecipes are all just amazing. So it's anyway, we're gonna talk about how youcame up with all of those. But I also made blueberry muffins so solid, sotaste good. So good. Ron like die for that. Like the topping at the end andbacon that's crumbling and it's the best. Yes, yes. My my husband has nowgained about £25. Yeah, thank you. I agree. And that Yeah. I mean, we'relike making a cookbook in the pandemic. We both gained. I mean, I tell you Igained like 15 and then I had to lose it for this press tour. I was like andthen we're trying to shoot the cookbook anyway, we'll get there. Yeah, it wasgood. Anyway, so we'll talk about some of the other ones as we go along. But Ireally I want everybody to hear about first. We want to talk about how eachof you became obsessed with the housewives because I'm right there withyou. And I think we share like a brain where people would say you know whatmorons, but also be my best friend and you love him, you hate him, you love tohate him. You hate to love them. You know, it's it's a real dichotomy. Imean for me it was I I some stumbled upon the real housewives. My gatewaydrug was really the Rachel Zoe project on bravo. I started watching the RachelZoe project back in the day and I did an impersonation of her and I had somevideos out there with that, just like Rachel's, oh grocery shopping, beinglike, oh my god, I, these bananas are bananas, and then from there afterwatching the original project, I started watching the real housewives ofnew york and I then it was done and then I just got into all of the citiesand all of the shows. How about you, Stuart? I wondered what yeah, I mean,first of all, like how I know Amy's from her doing Rachel Zoe, so I, I Iknow she existed back in the day and I just thought those videos were just sofunny and I loved Rachel's or product product product project and uh I thinkyeah, it was kind of like one of those things that you see the advertisementsfor like the housewives and stuff like that, and then I started watching newyork, my friend was would watch oh see, so I kind of watch a bit of that too,and I was kind of jumping around at the beginning watching it, like a lot ofthem, but not like focusing in like, oh my God, I need to be here every weekwatching this and then it was like kind of as it got to second season two ofthem, I kind of really dove in and I was like, oh my God, this is amazing,like some of the fights are just incredible and it's just like, it'sjust like what's it like feel good tv but like it kind of is, it's like youknow, you just laugh Yeah, it's an escape totally. Is, it totally is. Soit's funny, you both kind of entered it through new york, I think Ramona wouldbe so happy to hear that. 100%, I mean she's the first impression that I everdid, of of the housewives. I'm just gonna say your impressions are spot onhysterical and I can't get enough, Oh my God, thank you so much. Okay, Ramonareally does support women, I will tell you that first and foremost, she was sosupportive of my impression of her was you know, basically he kind of had theidea to go on watch what happens live with her together, She called me andwas like you know what I said, you should go watch what happens live withme and you'll be promoting I'll be Ramona, we wrote it together and so shereally was, I mean she did not mind the parody, she embraced it and kind of setthe tone I think frankly, so she was great, that's awesome and then fromthere you just went, ooh, I just can't stop, won't stop with impressions. Iknow, I know you're in for all the cities, all the iterations ofeverything, how about the ultimate girls trip, Oh my gosh, wow, it isreally good. I've only watched the first episode, I'm okay. You too. SoI'm recapping it on my show. So we're gonna do one episode at a time and Ithink it is what we've been waiting for and, and more. They really blew it up.They really made it very um glossy and the music and the editing and I thinkthey made it extra special, which I appreciate. And it seems so surrealbecause just as somebody who's been doing parodies of them for so long andI do parodies on my radio show where there were other housewives areinteracting with other housewives and other cities. And so now it's like,it's actually happening with Ramona being like, you know what? I'm reallysorry. Yeah. And like what you said about me, that was very nice. So it'slike I've been living this on my, in my own vacuum for years and now I'mwatching it happen before my eyes. It's so amazing. Yeah, it's like we all gottogether and made this big wish to have this happen and and now it's here andit was like, I was kind of like when I watch the theater the other day, I waslike, I still know how this is gonna go, do you know what I mean? Becausethey're all from different cities. Like they say they kind of know each other,but it's like putting them together and...

...it seems to be like, we're gettingwe're getting entertainment right? It's probably our the first episode is anyindication I'm sold, sold, sold sold. Okay, So we're actually here about thebook, but we'll just throw these other things in a little bit so I can't even imagine how brilliant thetwo minds were to come together to do this. What's the beginning of the book?How did it start? Whose idea was it? That's all Stuart baby. It was my crazyidea. I was like 2019. I said run summer august. And I was like sittingon the couch and I did my first cookbook and I was like, okay, I needthe second one, like, what am I going to do next? Like, what am I going todive into? And I was like, I want something like, like fun that peopleare just gonna get obsessed about and so forth. I was watching the housewives,I was like, has anyone done a cookbook on housewives? Like, just kind of likea fun cookbook? Like, the recipes are real, but like, it's comedy, it's fun,we're poking fun at them and so forth. And I was like, and then I went onamazon did some research, couldn't find anything, googled everything, couldn'tfind anything. I would find the housewives, their separate cookbooks,like tree tree and there was nothing. So I was like, this could be somethingcould be something here took it to my age and I was like, look, I had thisidea, I pitched it and then I needed the mastermind of amy phillips becauseI needed the comedy and I needed somebody that was like, you know, Imean, I knew she recapped on her show daily, so I was like, okay, she mustknow all the details of the ins and outs of these and she, you know, shetalks like them, she parodies them. And I was like, she was just like the bestperson to get this. And so I was like, please find her and ask her shows up inmy window at night knocking on it. It was it was very organic, he justreached out to me and it was like, I was like a housewife's cookbook, what?And then it just all, it was like, you know that moment where everything'skind of blurry and then it's just sharp focus, just instantaneously. I'm like,oh my God, everything that happens in the housewives, it all happens aroundfood. It all happens when they're drinking, it all happens when there's arestaurant, it all happens when they're celebrating. Like, this is I can'tbelieve this hasn't been done yet, why hasn't it been done? We have to do this.And so I I said, I was like, yes, absolutely. And it and it's beyond whatI thought it would be. Um but what, what a delight. And I'm always sograteful to you Stewart for bringing me along with you on this journey becausehow unexpected, you know? Yeah, I mean, look, if I, if you'd gotten back a fewyears of what, 10 years, like when she was doing Rachel Zoe and whats up thatwe'd be here now, if you ask me like five years ago and after my firstcookbook, my second one's gonna be a housewives one, like, no, like, likeYeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Right, Exactly. It's mild, That's true, andI'm so, I'm so glad to know that because I was assuming that you twohave been longtime friends. Well we became friends. Yeah, and it's wild toobecause we, we became really fast friends really quick and it's been soseamless, you know, I mean our chemistry, I think it was the vibe wasthere from the get go, which made the whole process very easy to create inthat space where it's like we just get each other and it just has been a realdance, you know, just call ginger Rogers and fred Astaire food and comedy.What maybe they were like, the more ridiculous, it is like the more we justcrack up over things, you know, it's just really funny, just daily basis that that's the best partnerships. Yeah,that's what you can do that and you have that symbiotic really nice, It'sgreat. So in addition to the recipes, which I've talked about a little bitand I want to dive in a little bit more about the creation of them. But thelook of the book, the look of the book is just so, like, first we have both ofyou wearing fabulous costumes. The photography is excellent. Um the disheslook amazing. So, talk to me about putting all that look of the booktogether. That was exciting. What a journey. What that was. That was sofunny. That's a really good question. Um Ron because I was so specific,remember, amy, at the very beginning, I knew, you know, a lot of people do.It's like a trend right now with photographs where there's a lot ofshadow. You see those like, they're kind of like, hi pop pop art and it'slike, yeah, and I was like, okay, that's what I don't want. I just wantthese like beautiful, rich, colorful photographs and we were almost gonnalike separated out like through city and like the vibe of each city and dothat. And I was like, maybe that's not gonna work because they're gonna besprinkled throughout the book and we're not gonna section it off into cities.So I was like, look, it just needs to be a really bright, vibrant, it's popculture book. I want everything to be beautiful. So, I mean, I love doing,you know, food styling and stuff that I've done it. I do it sometimes. And sothat's artistic part of it was really important to me and I really think wepulled it off. It is I mean when I got...

...the book in my hand for the first time,you're just so like you're just so fed up of looking at a pdf file for so longand then you actually physically, because it looks totally different froma pdf file than when the actual, like the ink dries on the page. Like itbecomes richer, it's darker and you don't see that on the screen. So it wasI was super happy with the way it came out. Well, there were two real phasesof the creation of the book, which is that we had the food photography andthen we had the lifestyle photography, which is us creating specific momentsfrom the book of the dishes that we selected and then dressing up as thosecharacters and acting them out. So it was a bizarre book. And it was sointeresting to work with our editor because we were like, oh yeah, theseare you know, this is not just your regular cookbook. This is like it's sodifferent because like it's not just food, then we have to like put us in itand create these moments. It was such a process of trying to figure out howwe're going to do that. And then also marry the two together so that it lookslike it belongs. You know? And I think that the photographers did such anamazing job, Hollywood photography, that's their name, home withphotography, did the food, and then Stewart actually did a few photoshimself and then the Record brothers did the lifestyle footage. So I justthink that it was we were really, really super duper hands on witheverything. We got our hands and everything so that we made it justright. And it was it was so worth it to because every piece of detail that weput our thought into, I think it really paid off. And and with that, thephotographers were so amazing and Angela Gaines, who was the food stylist,um and Stewart, we had a hand in that as well. Like just everyone cametogether and were able to kind of make this vision happen with comedy and witin the photos along with the food, you know, without it being too corny. Andwe were always often trying to ride that, we were kind of riding the fencea little bit for like, that's too much, let's pull back or that's not enough,you know? And like Stewart would be like, I don't want, you know, hands inmy food, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't want it to look dirty. So therewas like, certain things like clip clip clip medley of dip dip dips, you know,it was like, I, you know, I was like, should I put my clip my hand and thatif he's like, we're not putting hands in food. Like, even though these aremessy, let's just pull back from that. There were certain things that wedidn't want to cross those boundaries to make it still look really beautifuland appetizing. Yeah, like the, like just like the marinated kebabs in thebathroom, right? Like that recipe, like, you know, like we actually wentdownstairs and actually shot that in the bathroom and I was like, wait,that's so weird. But I'm like the title of the recipe, it comes from the showwhen she says that across the table were like, no in the bathroom, how lisa,please. How could you? And Kyle is like, are you kidding me right now, lisaseriously. And of course it's like Kyle, I mean Reena Reena, I have kids, areyou serious? It was epic. It was brilliant. Oh, how much fun is that? Imean you haven't had to have had a a blast. We really did. It was fun times.There was hard times. Yeah, it was challenging. It was challenging. Yeah,because it wasn't just the food photography, you know, doing thelifestyle was really involved and it was in the middle of covid, so wecouldn't have a lot of people helping. Um, and it was very challenging to getlike locations and things like that. So we had a lot of hurdles to jump over.But you know, it was also worth it. I'll agree with that 125% or what doesa 100%. So it came across to what what I talk about often is how things thatyou don't normally think of a storytelling becomes storytelling. Youtold amazing stories with each recipe. Not only did you tell a story of thefood and the dish and the things coming together, but your introduction to eachone and your picture, it all creates uh people wanting to know more. And that'swhat the best storytelling is is when, when you want to explore more. So Iwould say people that don't even necessarily know a lot about thehousewives should get their hands on this and it's going to entice you todig in deeper. Thanks for saying that. Yeah, it was, it was so, um you know,of course I did do a lot of research and go back to these iconic moments inthe Housewives history and so I went deep into the archives and revisitedthese moments and just got immersed in them so that I could walk myselfthrough them in order to remind people what that experience was and how itties into the food dish. And so that was just quite a celebration to go backand just revisit these amazing moments. And then also there's so many detailsto these moments. So you have to write and be concise was very difficult. Imean it started very long and I just...

...had a and the editor was so great, justlike, let's trim this down, let's just like, you know, let's get to the point,let's just make it a connection with the food. The moment has to connectwith the food, there has to be a correlation and that was the biggestchallenge because some recipes, we were like, yeah, I don't, I don't see howSheree Whitfield really, there's nothing here that connects to cranberrysauce, like what are we doing? You know I mean? So you can't really shoehornsomething in. Um you have to find a kind of find an organic way to getthere. And sometimes that was a challenge. But it was also a beautifulprocess of, of combining the two things together. We found our way through itlike, Yeah, because a lot of, sometimes I was like, I really want to do thisdish and I really want to have this chicken dish in there. And amy was like,Stuart like, I love you, like, I want to put it in there too, but I justcan't make it like sink, you know, to a scene or do a housewife or to a momentand I'm like, no, like what you know about uh yeah, we'll put that in yournext cookbook. Yes, part two, Part two. So is there a recipe that you can thinkof? That was really challenging and kind of walk us through the process ofthe thought to the end product of putting it in the book. It's a goodquestion. Trying to think now let me think about that on the spot. But youknow, that's a really good question of one that we really kept going back tothe drawing board and try to make it work with the dungeon cake. The onewith the dungeon cake might be one the clam chowder, Manhattan clam chowder.The manzo kati because steve sauce maybe. Yeah, because we had there werea couple ideas around Caroline Manzo from Jersey and we had it was somethingelse that we had there for man Zuccotti was, but we landed on Manzo Kati andthen marrying that scotty, we thought it was manicotti wasn't it? And thatthere was another, there was another recipe that we were going to do forManzo, but I can't remember. Well, okay, so we'll cut that, cut that. Right. Um,we Manzo kati was a fun one because we were trying to figure out what Carolinemanzo, we we know we knew we needed to have it be like kind of an italian dish.So how do you find something that has um, you know Caroline manzo influence?And is italian? So that one took a lot of time and we knew it was gonna be atwo parter because we came up with thick as thieves sauce, which will bethe sauce for it. And then we made a separate dish, which is like manZuccotti. And then you put the two together and it's like man Zuccottiwith thick as thieves sauce. So that was a pretty layered thing because yeah,even just like looking at them because that was one of the later recipesbecause we had to shoot that separately because we just didn't have it together.Remember at the time when we kept going back and forth? I do love like forpotomac, we came up with potato, mac and cheese with crab and that's a greatdish. Run that by the way. I love that one. Next up, is it okay? Because thatwas good. That sounds good for like, thanksgiving and holidays and stuff. Umbut that was one where it's like, again, Stewart wanted to do like a Maryland umfried chicken, like a Maryland chicken recipe. And I was like, but it doesn'tscream potomac. No one will get it. Even though I know that it's a Marylandchicken and people in Maryland eat it, but it still doesn't tie in and it hasto have potomac in it in some way. And so that's how we rotated around the sunon that one. And then landed with potomac and cheese with crab and thenout with the chicken, sorry. So which works way, which is way better and seehow it happens. It happens. Yeah. Yeah. They're just so creative. And thepictures and everybody get yourself a copy of this. So I know from being kindof on the inside how long it actually takes for a book to go from idea topublication, how long of a process was this for you. So it seems to be goingpretty expediently then Covid sort of hit. So that did back things up a bit,but Stewart, what was the timeline from you could say? I remember having Thiskept, I was talking about highly in New York just last two days ago and I thinkI had a brief conversation with her in like summer 2019 about it and she waslike, that's a really good idea, should hold on to that. So it's probably fromthere, but then pitched it probably in August Met you in September because Ihave a photograph of us that when we first met and it kind of so from we'llsay like, you know, summer 2019 and here it is now. It's out in November2021. So like that's the time span. We probably would have pushed it. It wouldhave been, yeah, it would've been like yeah, yeah, there you go any furtherbecause of pandemic got pushed to november, which is fine. It all workedout great. Yeah. And then I think they also kind of as we they saw cometogether, I feel like they were like, wait a minute, this is actually couldbe a great fall gift book. And that was...

...another thing too. And they were like,yeah, and you know, and they were like, and it's hard and I know from bringingout my first cookbook, I know it's hard to bring out a book in the fall becausea lot of people bring out their books in the fall, especially cookbooks andyou're up against the competition. So I felt, I felt so proud that they thoughtour book was good enough for me to believe. And I know, I agree that wasbecause it was intimidating to think like, oh my gosh, oh no, now we'regoing to be like, what do we do we belong here? Oh, you more than belonghere. Trust me. I so one of the things that I loved seeing as you did anunboxing of the final copies and you were earlier Stewart thing you get sickof looking at on the pdf page a little bit. But what is it like when youactually opened your baby up and hold it? It does feel like a baby, it doesfeel like that is the perfect way to say how this as a Stuart you tell mebecause you, now you've experienced is twice, what was that? What was it likefor you? The first time I just, I think I kind of like, like wept a small tear,I was kind of like, oh my God, this is so because I've always wanted, you know,like a few years ago and then, but this is like different, it's like, this islike, I really felt like we created something special Like my firstfootball find six ingredients, six minutes. Like there's stuff out therelike that already and you know, everyone does kind of different thingslike that. But this was like this is so unique. I really felt like wow, I saidwe really created something really beautiful and like when I opened it andlooked through it, I just was like, wow, this is really cool and it's hilariousand it's just, it's just on a different level than my first one, if that makessense. Yeah, when I, when I got the book, I was just like, I can't even, Ithink I'm still a little bit of state of shock because as a comedian andsomeone, I am not a writer, I mean I'm a comedy writer but only by necessity,I do not, I mean so so to, to have this opportunity to have to like write thisup. I'm like again, is this a club that I even am allowed in? So I just feelvery humbled by it. And so when I get this book and I'm like, I can't evenbelieve that this even exists and that my name was on this book and this isjust wild. Um and when I saw the pictures we were doing the foodphotography and when things were coming together like went with the, who goncheck me blue cheese buffalo dip and when I saw the magic that was happeningand on the screen when they were shooting the photos, I was like, oh mygosh, this is really happening. So that was my first entrance into discovering,wow! Like this is real. Then of course the next step was getting this book andjust my mind is just blown. I'm still, I'm still initiative chakra. Can'tbelieve it enjoy every minute of the journey. Well I am, I think it's goingto be a very long one. So buckle up. So what put together like a perfect meal.The book is not just about these dishes, it's also about desserts and it's about,yes, it's cocktails and oh my God, the scary island cocktail. We have theseamazing menus in the back of the book which are so for for you, for your toanswer your question. We've got all these menus, we've got like a gamenight menu. We've got a, a bachelorette party. We've got, it's called floatingIsland bachelorette menu. We have a shady tea party menu, a pool party menu,a dinner party from hell menu, a brunch menu. And we have a bravo, bravofucking bravo, dinner party menu. Um and so that one is a good mix of allthe different cities which, which Stuart and I painstakingly put togetherbecause it was like, we need to have each city represented in this, in thismenu. So it's like, you start with cocktails like nine lemons in a bowl,party punch and that's the Orange County and then you've got the grandmarnier cosmopolitan and that's potomac. And then you move on to appetizers andyou've got the ultimate, you've got housewives, party platter and that hasall a bunch of different cities. You've got everything there that we puttogether and that's like in the middle of the book. And then you've gotbeautiful too, by the way, You like that picture? Yeah. Plus it had the,what are you doing here without deviled eggs? Yes. What are you doing here forseveral days? And then you've got oysters, Ramona feller and then formains, um we selected, who said that sesame salmon and then scary islandskirt steak, skirt, steak and scary island skirt steak and Jill's marinadeword on the street corn and for dessert, Ding dong dungeon cake. I mean it is aluscious delicious menu. I mean I, I would eat this all day long. I wouldtoo, I'm ready to and also in the back you have the menus for each city. Sopeople could have a party of like a premiere night party for when, when anew season comes down. You can make all those things and you know, your brain'sgoing here, watch party would be awesome. Okay, so veering off just alittle bit, Who do you think it's the...

...best cook among the housewives. Oh,great question. I'm going, I'm going straight to Jersey. It's probablyeither Caroline manzo or Teresa. I'm also gonna say Kathy Kiely from um solike they, Teresa has what like six cookbooks? She's got she's got likethree or four cookbooks and then she's got a regular table flipping books inher memoirs and stuff like that. And um so I have cooked things from Teresa'scookbook and I found them to be great. So now Caroline manzo does not have acookbook. However, I just saw on her instagram that during the pandemic sheput together for her for her family as they say family, a cookbook for recipesfor her family. And I would imagine at some point she'll probably have to, youknow, get a published cookbook because she doesn't have one. Kathy Kiely has acookbook and she really special specializes in deserts. And hers isamazing. She's an incredible cook, incredible cook. So I am straight toJersey. What do you think Stewart? I would probably same as you like JerseyTeresa. I mean look, she's like four cookbooks are best sellers. I mean whatmore do you need? It's like right there. I mean, I always love the egg withluann with the eggs. I know he's like luann's best because of her eggs andthen there's Bethany and Bethany is a great cook too. I mean obviously she'samazing. So props there and I have her cookbook and I made stuff out of hersas well. Yeah. Are there any that you would either be really happy to or afraid tocook alongside of? Yes, a lot. What's going to happen? I want to make thoseeggs with luann someday, definitely going to happen. Well, I'm there forthat. I think Adrienne Maloof, we wouldn't want to cook alongside of her.We saw what she did. She put soap on the chicken and that's why we havesoapy lemon chicken, Ala Adrian, which by the way, Stuart, tell them about, ohGod stop. So I worked at Adrienne's house for like three months because Idid like, I do like sometimes I'll do like dinner parties. I'm kind of likephasing out of it now. But I did it for like 10 years, 10 or 12 years here inBeverly Hills. And then there was like one, somebody called me, they're like,hey, like Adrienne Maloof is looking for a chef in the house and I'm like,hmm at the time I had this gap in my schedule and I was like, money's money,right? So I was like, why not? Instead of caviar, what is it? They're like,it's just dinner, it's like her and the kids, whatever. I was like, okay,that'll be fine, be easy, it was fine, it was fine. And I was like done afterthree months and it was okay good. I'm glad to hear that. Really don't haveany idea how it's gonna go and in your life. So I saw that you gifted copiesof the book to some of the house ways, but also you've got some advancedpraise from them on the back, can you talk about their reactions and wherethey all lovely and positive or oh, they were so no, they were MargaretJosephs. Can we just, She's amazing. First of all, the powerhouse, the bigtails, you know what I mean? I like to promote people like just the poorpeople, I like business, like she has been so supportive, it's unbelievable.She gave us an amazing blurb on the back of the book. She loves the recipeswe made for her, which is your husband's in the Poland. And then wealso have hit enough urban tomato bruschetta. So she was so, she was sosupportive and has been touting it on her instagram. She even brought it on,amazon live her amazon store and um she was great, also heather do bro, she wasamazing, she has been so supportive of this book and gave us a wonderful quoteand has been very, very supportive, luann did a video, she's there. Cynthiabailey. Oh my God, she when when I reached out to her for a quote, she waslike, oh my God, this is amazing, I've never like, I've never heard ofsomething like this before, Count me in and it was incredible to me how quicklythese housewives, you know, when you think they're so busy and they're not,they're not going to get back to you, they're like excited about this idea.So we're very humbled Kyle Richards has been so supportive, they're allfantastic. I'm so glad to hear that because it could have gone the otherway. Oh yeah, I know. Well and there's there was a list of housewives that Iwanted to reach out to and a large list that I was not going to reach out to.So you know, I mean, I had a very specific ones that I wanted to reachout to for a reason. Um and these are the ones list them all right now. No,that was I just a little fun side fact. I used to live in florida and there wasalways a big women's show and I was doing a book with a famous author andwe created a dish that went along with her book and I got a phone call from myfriend who was the publicist goes, could you bring some of your gnocchiback here? And I'm going in the back and I fed Teresa, you fed Teresa judy J yeah, yeah, yeah.So walk me through this a little more...

...first time. First time shaking ofcourse because it's Teresa, you know, and she had her assistant with her. SoI brought enough back for both of them. We talked for a little bit and shetried and she's like holding it up like this and I'm not trying to be you, butI can't hear their, I can't talk about them without saying that we got to doit, she's like um these are good but um they're a lot bigger than the ones Imake. Okay, whatever you say, whatever you say my gosh, consider that acompliment. Like a blessing. That's my run in saying, I cannot. I mean, whocan say they fed Teresa? I wish I could say that. Well, I think I have afeeling that this is going to be your entry. I'm going to have to ask now nowand I know that she's open to it. Yeah. Anyway, if you're putting together adinner party of housewives like they, for the ultimate girls trip, who wouldit be? Oh, that's such a good question, Stuart what would it be? Okay? I'd like Vickithere, definitely. I want you want because it's my favorite um Mhm Kyle, trisha, kenya, I really liked her on a girlstrip, I've really like really taken to her um Oh my God, it's like a Margaret. Mhm.How many more do I need? That's good, That's good. That's good. That's a good,nice mix. That is a good mix. I'm gonna go with Karen, huger. The grand dame ofpotomac Gotta have Margaret. Um Some of mine are very similar to yours. I'mgoing with Kandi Burress because I gotta have her, I need her to sing atthe dinner table, I just love that voice. Um and just for kicks just tospice it up, let's get Erika Jayne in their, you know, let's get her in thereand and see if she doesn't answer questions and see if she gets mad. UmAnd or what what um and Vicki Gun Wilson and uh yeah and maybe a lienlock in because that could get spicy too from Dallas. They're just hands butI'm a super fan. I love it. I've been since he's the one of O. C. Wow. Yes. Anyway, I have actually met Vicky.Vicky is lovely, lovely, Amazing. So sweet and kind and nice. So really yeah,you're so sweet. I love you. Come on, let's read books together. Come on,let's go. What are you working at? What are you working on next? Come on, youneed insurance. Right, I got your insurance covered the family van. Yes,so people talk about right, still one of my all time favorites. So like likeI said, I couldn't even read the names of your recipes without their voices inmy head. Oh my gosh, I'm glad to hear that what it's meant to do. So let'sjust just a little bit about the housewives, We've had some compellingones this last season's, you brought up Erika Jayne, will you talk a little bitabout that situation? Yeah, I mean it was a first of all it was a greatseason. Everything else was just solid this season. I mean that was one whereI was like I'm on the sofa, nine o'clock every Wednesday, right? It justthere was nothing else going on. Wasn't even dinner anything. It was, it was, Ijust, it was just the progression of it through the each episode where I thinkI was waiting for the apology to the victims and it never came and then itwent to the reunion and look, I'm with Amy, the way she talks about housewives,like she's, we're all in it for them, we don't want them to fail. We wantthem to be like, we want to build them up or whatever. And that was just ahard one to kind of be like, I don't want you to get in trouble, but you'remaking it hard for me to kind of believe you. And, and she just, it'salmost like she tripled down or quadruple down in the reunion, like, ineach episode. So I was like, so I never, I never got what I wanted, buthopefully it all works out. I like to leave you wanting more. I feel the sameway, like, I want to, I root for our housewives, I don't want to see them introuble. I don't want anyone to go to jail. Um, I think tom is really themonster here. I, I don't think that she knew, I, I don't think that she's anevil person. I think that she was um literally stuck between a rock and ahard place and then all she could do was just lash out, lash out lash out.she did not handle the situation well...

...um I think she could have handled itbetter than she did, you know? But she didn't, who am I to judge, but I am thejudge because you know that's what I do for a living but and we all are, we'rewatching this on tv, she made it hard for us to root for her and I hated thatpart because I wanted to be like, we got your back, we got your back, youknow? But it was so complicated. She, she could not and would not mention thevictims. I understood that actually don't even, I'm not even really thatmad about that except for they're just could have been another way around itwhere she could have done or said things different and better. Like I wasalways just thinking erika help me, help you, I want to, I want to be there.But it was like she in her emotional state, it's like she lashed out at theviewers to, she lashed out. It was like she lashed out through the fourth wallat us and and the cast and, and it was disappointing that the cast could notstep to her, they were so terrified of her um that they could not get in thereand you know, put the gloves on and be like, well if you're gonna yell at me,I'm going to yell back, you know, like they would do in a lot of other cities.I really applaud Sutton for stepping up to the bat? I think she did an amazingjob. The only one Garcelle said some stuff here and there. I appreciatedthat. I felt like it just in the end wasn't enough. So then we ended upbeing at a reunion where Andy had to ask all the questions because shewasn't going to answer to them and that was, that just was some heavy lifting.That's not how reunion should be. The reunion should be about the women, youknow, I love the reunion. Don't get me wrong. I wanted to get these answersdisappointed. We didn't find out where it was snowing now that was the mostdisappointing. That was tough. Right, Where is the snow in Pasadena? What,what, what are your thoughts are on? I'm curious. I'm the same. I gave her alot of props and thought she was very brave to even continue filming with allthis going on. And in my head I was like, I felt so much like the two ofyou, but I was thinking she must be squelched by legal counsel. Sheprobably isn't saying some of the things that she would like to saybecause she can't, she kind of said that a little bit, but I do, I thinkand like you, I want them all to succeed. Although there might be one ortwo in another city I sure could be done with. But you know, that's thething. So what are your thoughts about the newest entry to the franchise? TheSalt Lake City, wow, I've never seen anything like this is the kookiest,most Bakary wild ride. I never thought we would go on as, as viewers of thehousewives. I just didn't think the state of house size would be where itis today, which, which, you know, the legal drama, you know, going off of theerika stuff into the Salt Lake City stuff with the john shaw allegedly, youknow, it's the characters on Salt Lake City are unlike any other. I've neverseen, you know, they are the gift that keeps on giving. I mean you've gotsomeone in their tagline saying don't come from me or I'll send jesus afteryou. I'm like, what you're talking, you know, it's just, it's all that she didand then she did, what do you think I mean? Yeah, Stewart. Um so I'm rightnow, I've seen lots of clips off season two, I'm saving it for a binge sundayand I'm just gonna binge it all, but I loosely know what's going on, likeseason one was great and I love MEREDITH in there, she's my favoriteand um I'm obsessed now because this arrest is happening and I'm like, canyou move your ass to like a lazy sunday, so you can just do that? It's been busyRock. I know, I know, I know it's a lot, but I can't wait though. Yeah, they, Ijust want to know who's still a mormon and who isn't, I can't quite figure out.They're hard to keep up with that one is um lisa Barlow is the, I believe.Okay. The only mormon we laugh all the time. We keep joking in my house thatwe want to brooks Marks tracks. Yes, I want one too. Just disengage and orderit online. That's all I have right now and I will say that I'm one of the onlypeople that ordered the fresh Wolf stuff. Always a good Andy Cohen uses it.He loves it. Oh, um you know, I was hoping that it would be like mynew favorite. Yeah man, it's not okay. I'm so sorry. Run that you don't likemy kids product. You don't love them. I love them. I love them. Trust me, Ilove them. I just was hoping it would be sure. Sure, sure. So what is nextfor the two of you? This is you formed quite a partnership here and I can seeit kind of going and taking off. I hope so, we're gonna, I kind of think kindof loosely the plan is just going to see where we're going with this bookand see just the feedback that we get...

...from it. I mean, I think there's somekind of talk show cook show would mean Amy going on in there with this and youknow, or maybe me and Amy started just knocking on housewives doors and wejust started interviewing them, their kitchens and cooking their favoriterecipe. Like there's so many ways we can go with this to be honest. And solike I'm open to anything, but I think like I'm excited at the feedback so farhas been insane. So it's really getting buzz. So I'm just, I'm kind of likeriding this wave now and I'm just, it's exciting. I'm just excited about it.And we obviously have a list of recipes that were cut from this book that ifthere is another one, we're already halfway there. And also all the otherbravo shows, you know, to, there's food involved in other bravo shows. So we'reopen to that as well. Hello, Jack. Every Federation? Yeah, you got thatright. You should have like a housewives below deck and Stewart, youcan be the chef and Amy Captain, Captain Captain. I love it. Well, Iwant to be your announcer and I'll be like, so Stewart and Amy were walkingup to the door as though they were Ashley trying to confront her father.Oh, good, yes. Run. Hey, I learned from the Best from you from you. Okay, sowhere can people find you online? I am meet Amy phillips on instagram. I'mreal amy phillips on Tiktok and I'm on twitter sometimes Amy phillipsunderscore, but we all, I also do radio show on Andy Cohen's channel on SiriusXM. It's radio Andy and it's five days a week. And I recap all the bravo showsfour o'clock eastern one o'clock pacific. It's called reality checked.It's brilliant to I I never miss it. Oh my God, you listen Ron I didn't. Areyou kidding you a huge fan? Oh my gosh, how about you Stuart? You can find meon instagram at chef Stuart O'keeffe at Chef Stuart o'keeffe on facebook and atChef Stuart on Tiktok reach out to me, ask me some culinary questions. I'llget to you. We'll do it. All right. All right, so we're gonna put this up, wehave a friends and fiction bookshop dot org shop. So we'll put this up therefor people to start buying lots and lots of gifts for the holidays. But Idid promise somebody I would ask this question if they wanted a signed copy,Is there a bookstore that you're partnering with that they couldactually order from? Yes, So we have so we're going to be going into book soupand signing them here in Los Angeles. Oh great. And also probably in december.Me and Amy are working together now to have a store where you can we are goingto sign a bunch of good books together and we're going to sell them ourselves.That is, we're going to do that. Okay, well I need five copies. Okay, holidaygifts. So just let me know when that's going to happen and I am on it, I'm onit. So and that's great because a lot of times writers do partner with abookstore because during pandemic people aren't doing tours so much. Sopeople are spending their money at independent bookstores and things.Which is a great store. Yeah, it helps so much. And I love yeah, that's soimportant. It really is. It really is. Well, thank you both for joining thepodcast today. I know that this book is going to be a huge hit. I'm so honoredand thrilled that you were on here and I just can't well you know, making ourworld thank you. Well, I love your enthusiasm. Thanks for it. It makes itreal when you say these words to us. So thank you for celebrating with us. Thisis so awesome. It is a great launch and the book is out now. Thank you also toour listeners on behalf of mary Kay andrews, Patti Callahan, Kristy,Woodson, harvey and Kristin Harmel were thrilled you've chosen to join us. Besure and tell a friend and join us right here next friday remember you can always find all thebooks by every friends and fiction writer's block podcast. Guest past andpresent in the friends and fiction bookshop dot org shop. All sales placethere helped to fund friends and fiction and a portion of each and everysale goes straight into the pockets of indie booksellers nationwide. Since itsinception bookshop dot org Has raised more than 16 million for IndieBookstores, shops, small shop local from the convenience of your screenwith bookshop.org and tell them friends and fiction sent you. Thank you fortuning in to the Friends and fiction writer's Block podcast. Please be sureto subscribe, rate and review on your favorite podcast platform, tune inevery friday for another episode, And you can also join us every week onFacebook or YouTube, where our live friends and fiction show airs at sevenp.m. eastern standard time. We're so glad you're here, Yeah.

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